Dime Dropper
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You can keep your eyes closed all you want, but Arthur runs the floor better etc. etc. etc.
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You can keep your eyes closed all you want, but Arthur runs the floor better etc. etc. etc.
Gary
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I agree there.. Arthur does run the floor well. I even stated somewhere in the draft thread that he runs the floor almost too well taking himself out of position to rebound sometimes... But that is correctable, so it's not a big deal. The issues I have with Arthur is having a 6'8.5 215lbs player starting at PF.
nbrans
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The combine alone isn't everything, nor am I trying to say it's everything. But it is very important, particularly for guys whose games rely on their size and athleticism. It's not like Darrel Arthur is some skilled player who can get by on his shooting and skills. He relied completely on his size and athleticism in college. But his combine results are very poor relative to players in the NBA, and I think he went from being an intriguing prospect to a marginal one.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
One and Done
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Interesting results here in terms of height...kinda solidifies my earlier feelings of being an "undersized" draft...lots of players are not ideal - or just adequate - heights for the positions.
I agree, #12 is not a great draft spot...I think their is more value at #18 to be honest, in terms of risk/reward. However, I'm still liking Augustin, Westbrook, and Alexander for our picks.
I know right now we don't need another SF, but think two years out...Ron won't be here, and I don't think John Salmons or Garcia is our ideal LT starting SF. So a dominant, athletic shooter like Alexander would be a nice LT asset.
As for Darrell Arthur, I wasn't high on him to begin with, as I knew he is undersized (always take college measurements with a grain of salt, and worst case subtract 2 inches). Plus, what's a problem this team has had for YEARS? Rebounding. Why add to the problem?
If Augustin/Westbrook are gone by #12, Alexander is still a good pick. I'd still like to see the Kings package the two second-rounders for a mid- to late- first rounder, however.
I agree, #12 is not a great draft spot...I think their is more value at #18 to be honest, in terms of risk/reward. However, I'm still liking Augustin, Westbrook, and Alexander for our picks.
I know right now we don't need another SF, but think two years out...Ron won't be here, and I don't think John Salmons or Garcia is our ideal LT starting SF. So a dominant, athletic shooter like Alexander would be a nice LT asset.
As for Darrell Arthur, I wasn't high on him to begin with, as I knew he is undersized (always take college measurements with a grain of salt, and worst case subtract 2 inches). Plus, what's a problem this team has had for YEARS? Rebounding. Why add to the problem?
If Augustin/Westbrook are gone by #12, Alexander is still a good pick. I'd still like to see the Kings package the two second-rounders for a mid- to late- first rounder, however.
Gary
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There you go right there.. Warrick shouldn't be playing PF full time, yet hr does not have a SF type of game which totally sucks for him, as it will for Arthur.
Alexander isn't a "dominant athletic shooter". The guy is athletic, he sucks at shooting, and he's not dominant.
bajaden
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He decided that he didn't want to play, and he didn't get a special invite that was just for the physcial. Nor did Thompson.
bajaden
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You can keep your eyes closed all you want, but Arthur runs the floor better etc. etc. etc.
I apologize for picking the wrong quote by you, but I think you know which quote I was responding to. I've never been a big fan of Arthur's, and I will tell you, I tried. I watched him play a lot, and I kept waiting for that break out game that would impress me. On the other hand I also watched Love play a lot, and he impressed me game after game. I guess I just got tired of people ragging on Love and praising Arthur, and the main thing they mentioned was Love's height and lack of leaping ability. Well a 35 inch vertical leap is pretty darn good for a 255 pound PF, and he's certainly as tall as a lot of other PF's playing in the league right now.
I apologize for singleing you out. My bad...
Dime Dropper
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Don't worry about it. And thanks for apologising. I just felt the need to defend myself as I was quoted by about 5 people all basically telling me I was wrong about Love, when I never even said anything bad about him.
I do really like Love, he's a very smart kid and, as shown, he's got a great work ethic and hunger for success. His vertical is impressive considering his weight, although he has improved that greatly, and his speed and vertical should continue to improve as he sheds the extra pounds. He may be a naturally impressive athlete, which was hidden by the extra weight. He's looking good right now, but he won't be around at our pick.
HighFlyingMonkey
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Code:
Ht w/o Shoes Ht w/ Shoes Wingspan St.Reach Max Vert Ln Agility 3/4 Sprint Wt. Reps
Player A: 5' 11.75" 6' 1" 6' 4.5" 7' 9" 38 in 11.09 sec 3.22 sec 178 10
Player B: 5' 10" 5' 11.5" 6' 3.5" 7' 10.5" 35 in 11.27 sec 3.07 sec 172 2Anyone want to take a guess?
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Dime Dropper
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I know player B is Augustin, is player A Iverson by any chance? I don't know, measurables seem to be about right off the top of my head...
HighFlyingMonkey
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Player A is CP3. I'll see if I can dig up Iverson's stats
Vlade4GM
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Paul and Augustin?
I looked it up, but I won't spoil it for anybody else. Two questions:
1. Are you trying to make a point, and if so, what is it?
2. How in the world does Player A, with 1.5 inches of height and 1 inch of wingspan (should be net 2 inches of standing reach) come out 1.5 inches LOWER in the standing reach? That's like shoulders on the ground territory.
HighFlyingMonkey
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1. No point really. Just wanted to see, as how there are concerns with B's ability to defend at the NBA level because of size/length and how he compares with a similar prospect who's actually doing quite well. There's a few things that I can deduce from this: He's going to be ok speed-wise, a little short height wise but very good length wise. Though it is important to note that A is very strong, which affects how much other guards are able to post him up, and B is very lukewarm in this category.
2. Wingspan takes into account width of chest. So I guess it's plausable that B has longer arms, but A has a wider chest.
Gary
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You know who really measures out well?
Sean Singletary - 5'11 w/o - 6'0 w/ - 184lbs - 6'4.5 wing - 6'11 standing reach - 26.0 no jump - NA max vert
Did he hurt himself jumping? Weird he had only a 26" vert because he is way more athletic than that number.. I was surprised with his height though. I think ESPN listed him at 5'11 and they are usually high by an inch or two.
Sean Singletary - 5'11 w/o - 6'0 w/ - 184lbs - 6'4.5 wing - 6'11 standing reach - 26.0 no jump - NA max vert
Did he hurt himself jumping? Weird he had only a 26" vert because he is way more athletic than that number.. I was surprised with his height though. I think ESPN listed him at 5'11 and they are usually high by an inch or two.
bajaden
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He is an interesting prospect though. I mean if your going to take a flyer, why not on him. One thing about him is that he is a tenacious worker. Thats the kind of guy you want if your drafting a project. He's listed as a SF, but he's actually a little bigger than Arthur. Maybe he could be a tweener SF/PF type. He would be fun to watch.
Dime Dropper
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After seeing a few clips of Anthony Randolph, I would love to get him. He has a very nice handle for someone so big and looks very smooth, ala McGrady. Probably better comparisons out there, but that's just off the top of my head.
He's skinny, but he's a good athlete. Looks to have real potential. Doubtful that he'll be there when we pick, though.
He's skinny, but he's a good athlete. Looks to have real potential. Doubtful that he'll be there when we pick, though.
bajaden
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This is an excerpt from draftexpress. I posted it for the other article that was contained in it.
Still not a player who can consistently create his own shot from the perimeter by putting the ball on the floor and beating defenders off the dribble, he needs to continue to work on his ball-handling skills to make the transition to playing on the wing full-time. He struggles changing directions in traffic when operating off the bounce, not quite able to always get all the way to the rim, which diminishes his finishing ability, which would otherwise be extremely strong due to his phenomenal leaping ability. Once Alexander is able to improve his advanced skill-set, he’ll likely be able to do a much better job showing off just how athletic he is. Unlike most NCAA juniors, his learning curve is still extremely steep (he only started playing organized basketball as a junior in high school), and because of his reportedly outstanding work ethic (as profiled exceptionally well by Pete Thamel of the NY Times today), he also has a fairly high likelihood of reaching his very high ceiling. The fact that he has a very good feel for the game, as evidenced by his nice assist rates, further support that theory.
Still not a player who can consistently create his own shot from the perimeter by putting the ball on the floor and beating defenders off the dribble, he needs to continue to work on his ball-handling skills to make the transition to playing on the wing full-time. He struggles changing directions in traffic when operating off the bounce, not quite able to always get all the way to the rim, which diminishes his finishing ability, which would otherwise be extremely strong due to his phenomenal leaping ability. Once Alexander is able to improve his advanced skill-set, he’ll likely be able to do a much better job showing off just how athletic he is. Unlike most NCAA juniors, his learning curve is still extremely steep (he only started playing organized basketball as a junior in high school), and because of his reportedly outstanding work ethic (as profiled exceptionally well by Pete Thamel of the NY Times today), he also has a fairly high likelihood of reaching his very high ceiling. The fact that he has a very good feel for the game, as evidenced by his nice assist rates, further support that theory.
bajaden
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He's actually one of the few, except for his weight, that graded out in the testing very well. He is as advertised..
SacKings7
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Yeah, he's always been on my list too, I just know he'll be gone in the top 10. Reminds me somewhat of Odom
hammystyle
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Kevin Durant was terrible at the combine last year. Hawes was pretty bad. Lamarcus Aldridge was bad the year before.
I think its fairly useful but its importance is way behind gameplay/stats, character checkups and measurements.
For a guy like Arthur who has a reputation as a major athlete, it probly makes you go back and look at the tapes and look at if he's really making dynamic plays. Same in the reverse for Love.
nbrans
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That's right, Durant was bad, but that was also a different situation -- he didn't really have a whole lot to prove.
But Aldridge and Hawes? Aldridge was awesome at the combine -- 34" vertical for a 6'11" guy is extremely good. He only benched 8 times, but that's overrated anyway.
And Hawes was Hawes at the combine -- it's still not like he's now some sort of great athlete.
Gary
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Agree.. Arthur was supposed to be this athletic specimen then he gets outdone by the "ground bound" Kevin Love.
Another thing is that Durant was a stud in college, and Hawes had one of the best post games of any big (if not the best) in the draft, plus we all knew he wasn't athletic so it wasn't a shocker like this kind of was to me.
I am still in awe of Love's max vertical.. Damn.. Plus he's at 255lbs!!! Supposedly he was about 285lbs at the beginning of the year. I like that kind of commitment in a player. He's already guaranteed lottery and millions then he goes out and loses 25+lbs, and gets int he best shape of his life. You can tell the kid really wants it.
Another thing is that Durant was a stud in college, and Hawes had one of the best post games of any big (if not the best) in the draft, plus we all knew he wasn't athletic so it wasn't a shocker like this kind of was to me.
I am still in awe of Love's max vertical.. Damn.. Plus he's at 255lbs!!! Supposedly he was about 285lbs at the beginning of the year. I like that kind of commitment in a player. He's already guaranteed lottery and millions then he goes out and loses 25+lbs, and gets int he best shape of his life. You can tell the kid really wants it.
I think the main thing that excites a lot of people about love is definitely the vertical leap of 35''. That's very good. He's only 1/4 inch taller than Arthur without shoes but he's a lot heavier and a better leaper.
Hawes and KD did both end up being a lot more athletic than their combine results. I remember Hawes had a few sick dunks like one over a certain Pau Gasol and like when he packed Chandler. KD did well too. I think the combine is a bit overrated but Love definitely helped himself here, top 6 pick for sure and if I were someone like McHale or Memphis I'd probably pick him because both teams need a PF.
