stumbled upon this article, looks like yesterdays happenings were all Maloofs meddling...http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/30225051
Coaching staff did NOT want Jimmer
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RookieOfTheDay
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Even if that's true, which I doubt, I still think Jimmer was the right pick for the Kings for a variety of reasons.
kennadog
Dog On It!
I take this with a grain of salt. The article has dueling reports of what the staff wanted on its face. Berger says they wanted Burks and @wojyahooNBA says they wanted Parker or Felton. Which is the right information, pray tell, or are they both wrong?
IfAt1st
Starter
If this is remotely true, I will watch less games this year and in the future.
This is serious stuff, if the selection of Fredette stopped Parker from being a King.
There is NO WAY that Fredette is going to be as good of player as Tony Parker - and I will gladly eat crow if I am wrong.
Circa_1985_Fan
All-Star
You know this for a fact?? I don't think Fredette had anything to do with the Kings getting Tony F. Parker...If they were going to get him, they would have got him...they got Fredette to provide offense in the backcourt, not be a QB like Parker.
kennadog
Dog On It!
Let's hope this statement doesn't spawn another "report" in the media. That's how usually rumors get started. We have no idea how sound either one of those reports is. After all, they could have gotten them from someone with an axe to grind or rumor starts to be converted into "reality," because it keeps being repeated.
RookieOfTheDay
Starter
I don't buy that for a second. I think the Maloofs and Kings would have jumped at the chance to get Tony Parker. The deal just didn't go through.
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IfAt1st
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You know what the meaning of if is?
IfAt1st
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I read the article - but go look at the quotes closer.
Coaching staff can like Fredette over Leonard and Knight, but STILL want a vet PG before Fredette.
We all know that a reliable source (Wojo?) reported that Spurs were in talks with Sac about trading Parker for #7 draft pick + something.
We don't know the details of whether that would have required RJ to be included or not.
But Parker WAS on the trading block, and what if the Maloofs wanted Fredette more than they wanted to use the #7 pick to trade for Parker?
Coaching staff can like Fredette over Leonard and Knight, but STILL want a vet PG before Fredette.
We all know that a reliable source (Wojo?) reported that Spurs were in talks with Sac about trading Parker for #7 draft pick + something.
We don't know the details of whether that would have required RJ to be included or not.
But Parker WAS on the trading block, and what if the Maloofs wanted Fredette more than they wanted to use the #7 pick to trade for Parker?
kennadog
Dog On It!
If the trade were possible to work out, I have no doubt the Maloofs would have gone for Parker over Fredette. Parker's already a guaranteed marketing positive, where ever he goes.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
I don't believe this at all. It's info derived from a rumor wrapped in supposition and poor basketball analysis. If a person from the Kings says this, I'll believe it but didn't I read just, er, yesterday that the Kings FO was one of the two FOs in the league that were the most difficult to get info from. Anybody claiming to know definitvely what is going on in the inner sanctum of the Kings is guessing.
kennadog
Dog On It!
Well from the Kings notes in the other thread this was the report:
Read more: http://blogs.sacbee.com/sports/kings/archives/2011/06/kings-fredette.html#ixzz1QEqxyOcT
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Or perhaps someone who just doesn't like the Maloofs and that would not be difficult to find. I could very well see a newsperson from Sacto "leaking" such info to a bigger fish in the "news" pipeline and giving this legs.
IfAt1st
Starter
Well the majority of KF's that posted in that Personnel thread were against the Spurs trade permutations (mainly the potential inclusion of RJ), so I don't see how there's "no doubt" the Kings would have done it (especially if the Maloofs wanted to keep the pick to get Fredette).
Double-K
Starter
That doesn't help with the doubters. They'll just say "Oh it's just the publicity talk to save face."
Haters gonna hate. Truth remains that we traded down to get a (temporary or not) upgrade on SF and then drafted Jimmer. Why dwell on random articles on the internet that may or may not be true?
EDIT: Wait I get it, its TDOS.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Exactly! So far Petrie wanted Knight or Walker. The coaching staff wanted Parker or Felton. The Maloofs wanted Fredette. Uh, if that's true no wonder this team looks like such a mess! It simply can't be every one of these things!
Come on now, kiddos. In the internet age, there's no fact checking, there's no "sources", especially in blogs.
For example, I know the following for a fact:
I heard from someone scouting the Kings' picks that Walker or Fredette would be fine, but he wouldn't be surprised if Leonard was the pick.
Where did that come from?
Our very own cervesa drinking chimp, mr. bajaden. It's not terribly difficult to put something together that sounds realistic. As for the bloggers, I'll take Ailene's tidbits (I can't believe I just said that) over Matt Moore. Who the hell is Matt Moore anyway?
For example, I know the following for a fact:
I heard from someone scouting the Kings' picks that Walker or Fredette would be fine, but he wouldn't be surprised if Leonard was the pick.
Where did that come from?
Our very own cervesa drinking chimp, mr. bajaden. It's not terribly difficult to put something together that sounds realistic. As for the bloggers, I'll take Ailene's tidbits (I can't believe I just said that) over Matt Moore. Who the hell is Matt Moore anyway?
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
I want nothing to do with Voisons tidbits. Not sure she feels the same way about Jimmers tidbits though. Getting a little hot in here.
Dr. Spaceman
Bench
The main issue that people haven't brought up yet is: why do we even care what this coaching staff thinks of a particular talent one way or another? They've proven over the last 2 years that they are as inept a group as they come. Even if it were true that they wanted another player, there's no way that management or ownership would stand by idly as they banished Jimmer Freddette to the deepest parts of the bench. Donte and Casspi? Sure, Westphal can play mind games with those two role players all day. Which he willingly did, but that's beside the point.
At the end of the day, they work with the talent they are given by management. If anything, their endorsement of one player over another would give me reason for pause, as their ability to evaluate talent was reflected by their completely erratic management of the team through most of last season.
At the end of the day, they work with the talent they are given by management. If anything, their endorsement of one player over another would give me reason for pause, as their ability to evaluate talent was reflected by their completely erratic management of the team through most of last season.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
I'd be willing to bet my car, that Jimmer gets far more leeway then Donte, Omri, or Cousins have received from Westy. I think Jimmers leeway will be closer to that of what Reke has had, right or wrong.But I also think he's a smarter player today than 3 of the 4 I mentioned. I'd say Cousins has the best understanding of the game out of that bunch, along with Jimmer.
Also thought it was interesting in Westys interview today, that he said he hopes Jimmer gets together with some of the guys he'll be playing next to, and that his work ethic rubs off on them. He said Jimmer is a gym rat, and he has no doubt he'll keep himself in top shape, and that he's not sure other guys on the team put in the time needed to improve, in the gym. Grant said, wow, most teams don't look for a rookie to set the example. Westy replied, well, it's never too soon to start leading.
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Dr. Spaceman
Bench
Oh, totally agree. What I was saying was that even if Westphal felt negatively toward Jimmer and WANTED to banish him Donte-style for whatever reason, there's no way in hell he'd get away with it unscathed by management or "The Boys."
It may very well turn out that he gets the Reke unlimited get out of jail free card from Westphal and Co. Point was that I don't care what the coaches think of Jimmer, and I doubt the suits upstairs do either.
Also, I agree with you that Cousins and Jimmer are probably among the smartest players on the team. Their pick and roll should be an awesome sight. If they're allowed to run one, anyway.
I think you win the thread.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I'm more concerned about what happends when the opposing team runs a pick n roll with the guys that pair are guarding on the other end of the court.
I would guess that all of above has some truth to it. Number one, staff would not all agree on anything and they should have and probably did consider every possibility. If the Maloofs and Petrie did not initially agree, the options and risks would have been weighed and a decision made. I firmly believe that it is not as simple as statedd. And, if you think about it, there were countless ways the Kings decision group could have emphasized. We had a decision which all will work to make good with. Go Kings!!!!
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