Coaches we could get if we fire Adelman?

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Has nobody even mentioned Don Nelson? Technically he's still being employed by Cuban, but its also been rumored that Nelson is interested in coaching again.

Who knows! :)
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Don Nelson? Oh please...

Someone shoot me now.
 
Q. What's the solution to a coach who doesn't make his team play defense?

A. A coach who makes his team play less defense!
 
List of Coaching replacements

1) Terry Porter
2) Eric Musselman
3) Jeff Bedzilik
4) Paul Silas
5) Doug Collins
6) PJ Carlisimo
7) Paul Westphal

are anyone of these canidates better than RA???... maybe not, but there comes a time in every coaches reign, where the players stop listening... if the players do not hear the message the coach is preaching, it's time for some changes... unfortunatly for RA, he will probably be the first casualty if things don't turn around quickly...
 
Ok seriously though folks this list prety well spells out how bad the coaching dirth is. Sad truth is that there really is no PROVEN coach out there that can step in. A few colligiate hot shots at best but most likely the soultion will be to wash the season and pick new face and give him a break (with the hopes of attracting a high profile coach in the off season)

No doubt about it if RA can not pull this team out of the Kammakazi nose dive they are in he will have to go if for no better reason that ownership will want the fans to see them doing SOMETHING. Fans are not necessarly rational and take their teams very very seriously, so despite any and all rational arguments to suffer with RA then rebuild there is no way owners of a successfull (read: fan attendance/support) franchise can keep him on board if the team record remains abysmal 20 or so games into the season. It amy NOT make good basketball sense but it WILL make good buisness sense.
 
No body is proven until they get a chance. It is like the medical resident. If they don't get to practice want they learned, they will never become a real doctor.

Someone posted this about Eric Musselman. I think the Kings should give this guy another chance of coaching a NBA team since he really didn't have a fair chance (no Baron Davis) at Golden State.
I am a big Rick Adelman fan, as I've mentioned many times. But I think Mike B hit the nail on the head when he said that Coach Adelman has lost this team. At times it looks like the players are content to give less than 100% effort, and Coach does not seem to hold them accountable for that. It is time for a change.

According to Bill James, teams respond best when player's coaches are replaced by strict coaches (for reasons I won't go into unless you really want me to). Coach Adelman is a tremendous player's coach. But it appears that it is time to replace him with a more disciplined, more structured coach. In my opinion, the best available coach out there is Eric Musselman.

Eric comes from excellent coaching bloodlines. His dad, Bill, was a terrific coach who never had any NBA talent to work with (see photo of Bill).



Bill's commanding presence was so refreshing to see in an NBA game. I went to a Kings-Timberwolves game in 1990 or 1991 when Bill was coaching Minnesota. The T-Wolves, an expansion team, had no talent -- Pooh Richardson was their best player. I remember Bill being so intense on the sidelines that he rarely sat down; it was like every possession was the last possession of the NBA finals. Early in the game Richardson made a great defensive stand, and Bill cheered him on with Marty Schottenheimer-like intensity.

And Bill wrote the book on defense. Literally. He wrote a book called "33.9 Defense." Here is a review of the book:

"For those younger coaches who do not know Bill Musselman he was one of the most creative and temperamental coaches of the last generation. His unfortunate death left a void in the coaching world because of his energy and imagination. This book, 33.9 Defense essentially is his how to book coaching manual for the great successes he had as head coach of tiny Ashland College in Ohio where his teams lead the nation in defense 3 consecutive years. Bill used this success to jump forward into head coaching jobs at the University of Minnesota, the Cleveland Cavaliers, and toward the end of his career tremendous success in the CBA. His Tampa Bay Thrillers won 3 CBA titles.

In the book, Bill noted, "We have one little rule that practice starts at 3:30 pm prompt. The gymnasium doors are locked and we are ready to go about our job in a workmanlike manner." The review concludes, "There is no question Bill Musselman was a strict disciplinarian, but more importantly he had a clear concept of what would bring out the best in team morale and effort."

When Bill died, Mychal Thompson, one of his former players, said, "If they have a basketball court in heaven, Lord help them, because he's probably putting them through those five- or six-hour practices we had to go through," Thompson said.

That was who taught Eric, first hand, about coaching.

Then Eric coached under Chuck Daly, one of the Top 10 coaches in NBA history. Eric also coached in the CBA and compiled a 270-122 record, and coached the Florida Sharks in the USBL to a 53-3 record (that is not a typo).

When Eric got his first NBA head coaching job in Golden State, he, in one year, improved the team by 17 wins and wound up second to Greg Popovich in NBA Coach of the Year voting. He coached one more year in Golden State and compiled virtually the same record as the year before, despite the fact that the Warriors had lost Antawn Jamison and Gilbert Arenas. The Warriors, however, fired him because, IMO, they saw an opportunity to hire the local Mike Montgomery.

Since then, Eric has been, and is, an assistant to another very underrated coach, Hubie Brown disciple Mike Fratello. Eric has also followed in his father's footsteps by writing several coaching books, including a book entitled, "Motivating Your Team."
http://www.champonline.com/ermusin.html

I think Eric Musselman is exactly what this team needs. And we should grab him before another team sees the light.



Anyway, here is his profile from nba.com when he was head coach of the Warriors:

"A young, energetic coach with an extremely successful record in basketball’s “minor leagues”, Eric Musselman was named head coach of the Golden State Warriors on July 26, 2002. Just 37-years-old at the time of his hiring, Musselman becomes the youngest current head coach in the NBA. Prior to joining the Warriors, Musselman worked two seasons as an assistant for the Atlanta Hawks after spending the prior two seasons with the Orlando Magic.

Musselman joined the Magic after spending the previous seven years as the head coach and the previous eight years as the general manager of the Florida Beach Dogs (formerly the Rapid City Thrillers) of the Continental Basketball Association. In 1996-97, Musselman led the Beach Dogs to a 38-18 record and a trip to the CBA Finals as his squad held CBA opponents to a league-low 90.8 points per game. As the club’s general manager in 1988-89, he hired current Timberwolves head coach Flip Saunders - then a college assistant - to coach the Thrillers.

As a CBA coach, Musselman posted a 270-122 record (.688), marking the second highest winning percentage in league history behind Milwaukee Bucks head coach George Karl, who coached for five seasons in the CBA.

From 1990 thru 1997, Musselman had 24 players called-up to the NBA, the highest number in the league during that span. He holds the distinction of being the only person in CBA history to coach in five league All-Star Games (1990, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1997) and was the first coach in professional basketball history to win 100 games by the age of 28. When he was 23, Musselman became the youngest coach in CBA history.

Musselman also served as head coach of the Florida Sharks of the United States Basketball League. In the summers of 1995 and 1996, he coached the Sharks to a combined 53-3 record (.946, including playoffs) and back-to-back USBL Championships. He holds the highest winning percentage in league history.

His received his first NBA coaching experience in 1990-91 as an assistant coach for the Minnesota Timberwolves on the staff of his late father, Bill Musselman. The Musselmans are now the first father/son head-coaching duo in NBA history.

After graduating from the University of San Diego with a bachelor’s degree in political science in 1987, Musselman took a front office job with the Los Angeles Clippers before taking on the role of assistant director of scouting. A three-time member West Coast Athletic Conference All-Academic squad, he played in two NCAA tournaments. Following his college career, Musselman was selected by the CBA’s Albany Patroons in the fifth round (58th overall) of the 1987 Draft. A graduate of Brecksville (Ohio) High School, Musselman has two sons, Michael and Matthew. He was born November 19, 1964 in Ashland, OH.
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yanon said:
No body is proven until they get a chance. It is like the medical resident. If they don't get to practice want they learned, they will never become a real doctor.

Someone posted this about Eric Musselman. I think the Kings should give this guy another chance of coaching a NBA team since he really didn't have a fair chance (no Baron Davis) at Golden State.
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Medical residents learn on corpses first. With Musselman, the patients died.

If you're going to post a quote like that, you MUST provide a link.

Thank you.
 
If the patient is DOA, there is nothing the medical resident can do to change that. Comparing to other coaches listed, I think Musselman is the one who hasn't been given much a chance.


the original post is in kingssuperfans.com
 
LA King Fan II said:
Adelman has lost the team. IMO they aren't coming back. He looks like a magician who made his assistant disappear behind a curtain, and now can't find the curtain.
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Reminds me of Del Harris. He lasted 12 games @ 6-6 in his final season as a head coach.

I can't think of a single NBA franchise that wouldn't have fired Adelman by now, and I'm not even talking about right now, I'm talking about last offseason or earlier. I suppose it's because of the absence of a name that Petrie/Maloofs are comfortable with. Either that or there's some unreal loyalty going on behind the scenes. Either that or the Maloofs are afraid that hiring a new coach during the season could even be more dangerous and they are waiting one last time to see if Adelman turns them around. That Knicks loss would've been walking papers anywhere else.
 
Bricklayer said:
Hey, he was ex-Sacto King, so can;t be all bad. :)

Actually I thought of him when I made the above post. I remembered his short stint as the coach of the Lakers years ago. Thought he might actually make a good head coach. But again have no idea how he is thought of around the league.
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Sacramento interviewed Rambis as a replacement for Eddie Jordan. I think he stayed because he was probably making comparable money as a Laker asst to the offers from other teams. More stabile situation, less responsibility.

Rambis had let it be known that he wanted to be a head coach. It seemed to be an ideal opportunity with the Clippers.
"Was this over money?" asked free agent Clippers point guard Darrick Martin. "I heard they only offered him $500,000."
Rambis didn't talk about money. He said he mulled it over and did what he thought was best for his career in the long run.
"It just came down to whether to stay with the Lakers or go to the Clippers or Sacramento," Rambis said. "There were a lot of pros and cons.
"One con was staying with the Lakers and I'm still not a head coach. A pro is I get more experience."
 
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Did you guys ever think about the possibility that Rick would resign if the teams doesn't turn it around?

I bet thats how it would go down. If Rick feels his players aren't listening then he'd probably take himself out of the situation if he feels it would help. This guy is well respected for a reason, he deserves it.w
 
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I do not think that he will resign, nor should he. Unfortunatley, if things do not turn around, he will probably be fired. I do not think things will get any prettier after that. It really is up to the players at this point.
 
SacTownKid said:
Did you guys ever think about the possibility that Rick would resign if the teams doesn't turn it around?

I bet thats how it would go down. If Rick feels his players aren't listening then he'd probably take himself out of the situation if he feels it would help. This guy is well respected for a reason, he deserves it.w
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I've wondered about that. Not sure whether he would or not, and whether it would to sae us, save Petrie, or save himself. It would not be a complete shocker though. Most of the players he had the bond of loyalty with are gone now, its not really "his" team, his forever assistant coach is retired, and ever since the Jackson incident this summer, I don't think Rick's heart has truly been in this franchise anymore.

I do think he'd really discuss it with Geoff and Coachie, and maybe even with Peja and Mike, if he was going to do it though. Rick impresses me as a guy who wouldn't leave the guys he still feels loyalty to in the lurch unless everyone agreed it was time.
 
we should get the coach who used to be at georgetown who was accused of only recruiting black players. The one who is an announcer on tnt, i think it is something jackson, rick pitino would be cool because then francisco would get more minutes. And how about Larry bird or a former kings player like Reggie theus. Reggie theus just got a job at new mexico so probably not.
 
i would absolutely love it if the maloofs would let adelman run the course of his extension. and i would love it even more if the maloofs attempted to renegotiate his contract, and he declined the offer. the kings, as a team and as an organization, are clueless to how great they have it, coaching-wise. i've long been an adelman supporter, despite his obvious flaws as a coach. he's a winner. he may not have coached his way to a championship, but very few coaches do, in the relative scheme of things. the kings could do much worse than rick adelman, and i suspect they will when they [STUPIDLY] fire him.
 
Padrino said:
i would absolutely love it if the maloofs would let adelman run the course of his extension. and i would love it even more if the maloofs attempted to renegotiate his contract, and he declined the offer. the kings, as a team and as an organization, are clueless to how great they have it, coaching-wise. i've long been an adelman supporter, despite his obvious flaws as a coach. he's a winner. he may not have coached his way to a championship, but very few coaches do, in the relative scheme of things. the kings could do much worse than rick adelman, and i suspect they will when they [STUPIDLY] fire him.
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How great they have it??? That's laughable. If the Maloofs offered Adelman an extension right now I would make sure that my season tickets are not renewed and I could let someone else take them......like alot of people did this year.
 
Ryle said:
How great they have it??? That's laughable. If the Maloofs offered Adelman an extension right now I would make sure that my season tickets are not renewed and I could let someone else take them......like alot of people did this year.
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Complete lack of perspective continues.

You are talking about one of the 10 winningest coaches of all time (will almsot surely be). A man who has a good shot to win more games than Red Aurebach, and who holds the franchise record for wins for the Kings.

Unfortunately people around here have long since forgotten what a bad coach actually looks like. I have not. We used to have a lot of them. I'm hoping/praying that we soon don't have another.
 
Ryle said:
How great they have it??? That's laughable. If the Maloofs offered Adelman an extension right now I would make sure that my season tickets are not renewed and I could let someone else take them......like alot of people did this year.
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rest assured that rick adelman wasn't the cause of this. it aggravates me to no end that people make statements like this concerning adelman, yet think petrie and the maloofs did the right thing when they traded webber, the only sacramento king last year who gave a damn. hey! i've just had an epiphany. maybe those season ticket holders didn't renew their ticket package because the face of the franchise was traded, and we've got an absolute **** return from our "flexible pieces." adelman is far from the cause of the kings problems. true, he's not a defensive minded coach, but he also has very little to work with from his players, defensively speaking. he's got undersized players, with brad miller the only king pushing 7 feet. if petrie had done his job and acquired the right kinds of players to meet the kings needs, then adelman wouldn't be forced into the situation he's in. the team is constructed poorly. that is hardly the head coach's fault.

Text edited by VF21. Come on, folks. Keep it civil, okay? It's gonna be tough enough as Kings fans for a while. We can debate about all of this without it getting personal...
 
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Padrino said:
rest assured that rick adelman wasn't the cause of this. it aggravates me to no end that people make statements like this concerning adelman, yet think petrie and the maloofs did the right thing when they traded webber, the only sacramento king last year who gave a damn. hey! i've just had an epiphany. maybe those season ticket holders didn't renew their ticket package because the face of the franchise was traded, and we've got an absolute **** return from our "flexible pieces." adelman is far from the cause of the kings problems. true, he's not a defensive minded coach, but he also has very little to work with from his players, defensively speaking. he's got undersized players, with brad miller the only king pushing 7 feet. if petrie had done his job and acquired the right kinds of players to meet the kings needs, then adelman wouldn't be forced into the situation he's in. the team is constructed poorly. that is hardly the head coach's fault.

Text edited by VF21. Come on, folks. Keep it civil, okay? It's gonna be tough enough as Kings fans for a while. We can debate about all of this without it getting personal...
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I actually agree with you about some of the personnel decisions. I also can't understand how some useful players can't get off the bench for the Kings. Ostertag last year(at least he could have put a body on James when he looked like Wilt Chamberlain in the playoffs) and Corliss this year. I can also gaurantee you that Adelman has a say in the personnel for his team and quite frankly he prefers offense over defense.
 
Bricklayer said:
Complete lack of perspective continues.

You are talking about one of the 10 winningest coaches of all time (will almsot surely be). A man who has a good shot to win more games than Red Aurebach, and who holds the franchise record for wins for the Kings.

Unfortunately people around here have long since forgotten what a bad coach actually looks like. I have not. We used to have a lot of them. I'm hoping/praying that we soon don't have another.
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Well, let's see. A guy is sitting up in Portland about ready to take the head coaching job at Portland State when his old buddy calls him to coach. He just so happens to inherit a team with one of the best power forwards in the game and one of the best centers in the game and is given an Assistant Coach who's offense pretty much plays into these players strengths and the team takes off.

I think the success here has been more about the players the team has had then the coach.
 
^how exactly can you guarantee????????

And what coach would actually say "yeah I prefer offense over defense, so go out and get me as many offensive minded players as you possible can--who gives a rats patootie about defense...what is defense by the way?"

Removing RA isn't the end all here...I mean I would love IF IF IF RA had to fired and we brought in a coach that has the ability to get through to the players and possibly have a turn around season similar to that of the Denver Nuggets did last year...but things like that are EXTREMELY rare...and besides have you seen Denver this year?
 
Ryle said:
Well, let's see. A guy is sitting up in Portland about ready to take the head coaching job at Portland State when his old buddy calls him to coach. He just so happens to inherit a team with one of the best power forwards in the game and one of the best centers in the game and is given an Assistant Coach who's offense pretty much plays into these players strengths and the team takes off.

I think the success here has been more about the players the team has had then the coach.
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Well let's see, a coach is sitting in the CBA and called upon to coach a team that just so happens to have the greatest player of all time at OG and a HOF SF already on the roster. Then later that same coach inherits a team with one of the 4 or 5 greatest centers of all time and a HOF OG.

Then there was this other coach who inherited this team with perhaps the greatest PG of all time AND mayeb the greatest center of all time (certainly Top 3)...

You can play that game with any coach, anytime. And before we get to the "but Rick didn't win any titles" nonsense I'll just skip right ahead to "his players were never as good" (and of course we got injured). Clyde Drexler and Chris Webber were great players. Shaquille O'Neal and Michael Jordan were greater players.
 
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Think about this:

What are our best chances of a quick turn-around, or for rebuilding that yields mid-to-long term success:

1. Change coach and this team will somehow grow a pair for the rest of the year and beyond and not just a couple of weeks.
2. Keep coach and rebuild. Give him players that he can work with.
3. Stay put for another 2 months before making any decisions.

I am pretty sure that RA could do well again with right mix of players, but I have my doubt that any coach could win big with this team.
 
Bill Laimbeer

I'd prefer that Rick stay, but I don't think it's going to happen. Throughout the Las Vegas summer league I never saw him talk to the Maloofs, not once. I think the only reason he is still in Sacramento right now is because of Geoff, and maybe he wanted to roll the dice with this new roster. But coaching these guys can't be any fun. It's not like it's a young team playing hard and coming up short. They're a group of vets putting together lackluster performances.

I would hire Bill Laimbeer: fairly successful in the WNBA, extremely knowledgable about the game, and a defense first guy. He was successful as a player, and represents that old (and current) Detroit toughness. Plus, I love the kind of personnel decisions Dumars has been making, and would like to see some of that with the Kings. (I know Isaih was on that team too, so spare me). He's got some of the sex appeal that the Maloofs are going to require with his stint at ESPN. Also, I don't really want a retread if Adelman goes. None of the "greats" are going to be available, so I say start fresh.
 
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