Coach George Karl
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PurpleHaze
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What was that other guys name, Malone or something, Karl Malone?
ShastaKingsFan
All-Star
What was that other guys name, Malone or something, Karl Malone?
Ty Corbin
Akis Yerocostas @Aykis16 2m2 minutes ago
George Karl already has more wins as coach of the Kings than Tyrone Corbin.
George Karl already has more wins as coach of the Kings than Tyrone Corbin.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
What was that other guys name, Malone or something, Karl Malone?
The other guy's name was "other competent coach".
We wasted an entire season firing one just to go hire another too late to matter, but of course it should work. We are no asskickers, but we have one at center, and with competent coaching this roster has shown it can be respectable. With a whole season without outside interference, let alone exotic illnesses, we might have been part of that #8 seed playoff race graphic.
PurpleHaze
All-Star
I agree totally. And would only add we then finally replaced mediocre substitute teacher with HOF coach with over 1,000 NBA wins under his belt - nirvana!?
Derek Reed @SactownKings916 6m6 minutes ago
This is why we fought for Kings hiring @CoachKarl22!!!! #Winning
This is why we fought for Kings hiring @CoachKarl22!!!! #Winning
Kingfanpaul
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I do have one question, Vivek, Pete, why did you have to wait so long to hire this man?!?!? ugh! I wonder where the team would have been at right now if we just transitioned from Malone straight to Karl....Oh well, nothing you can do about it now, except be excited for how we finish out this season and start the next one.
gunks
Hall of Famer
The guys are definitely starting to buy in.
Defense is improving, it's not Malone good, but there have been flashes. Our 3rd quarter defense in particular has been great these past two games. Still horrible lapses, but headed in the right direction overall.
The offense..... Just clicked tonight. Almost all of our guys contributed on that end.
I just want this momentum to continue. We could have a fun team next year, if all goes well.
Defense is improving, it's not Malone good, but there have been flashes. Our 3rd quarter defense in particular has been great these past two games. Still horrible lapses, but headed in the right direction overall.
The offense..... Just clicked tonight. Almost all of our guys contributed on that end.
I just want this momentum to continue. We could have a fun team next year, if all goes well.
Oh, come on... The milk that was spilled has been cleaned up. What little was left has evaporated. I think it's assumed it took so long because there was a lack of consensus in the front office. With the hiring of George Karl, and the addition of Vlade Divac, it appears that situation may well have been resolved.
Kingfanpaul
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I'm not still overly bitter about it. In fact, I'm quite excited and happy as a Kings fan right now. It just would have been nice to have Karl sooner. Just because things are getting better, doesn't mean I can't look back and wish we got this thing started with Karl sooner. Like I said, I'm not bitter or even still upset about it. That comment was more about me being thrilled with what Karl is doing and just wishing it could have happened sooner so that we had more time to witness it this season. Sorry if I came off as a Debbie downer or something.
ShastaKingsFan
All-Star
You can't have 'everything'. The offense sputtered with Malone. We're heading in a much more balanced direction now
nebs
Starter
My thoughts exactly. He just looks really old. In his post game interview tonight he started picking at his head and it was bleeding and it's all I could focus on lol.
captain bill
All-Star
It's nice that DeMarcus isn't the only big name in Sacramento anymore. "Vlade" is probably bigger amongst Kings faithful, and "Karl" amongst general basketball heads.
Most big stars have jumped from franchises that lacked veteran organizational leadership (Orlando, Cleveland, NO, etc). George Karl is going to be great for Sacramento.
His general demeanor seems more methodical and toned down from Denver, as well. He's definitely not lying when he says how much his life changed since fighting his medical battles and winning another turn on the NBA bench. Very happy for him and what he can do for this organization.
Most big stars have jumped from franchises that lacked veteran organizational leadership (Orlando, Cleveland, NO, etc). George Karl is going to be great for Sacramento.
His general demeanor seems more methodical and toned down from Denver, as well. He's definitely not lying when he says how much his life changed since fighting his medical battles and winning another turn on the NBA bench. Very happy for him and what he can do for this organization.
jcwkings
All-Star
He is just getting more out of this roster than either Malone or Corbin did overall in a rushed stint with little to no practice and a crazy 8 game road trip very early in his tenure. We are getting meaningful production from role players that did squat earlier in the year. As fun as November was it was really predicated on Cousins and Rudy dominating and little else from anyone. While that was fun it was an injury away from going down the toilet(and thats exactly what happend). I think under Karl and with an upgraded roster next season we can survive those injuries that are bound to happen. His system is more reliant on team play and an 82 game season is just too much to be so reliant on one or two guys. Lets say Cousins goes down for 6 games, I think under Karl we could find a way to go 3-3 and survive those little injuries given a full training camp to really get this team going.
Siranthony
Starter
This!
randymoss1881
Starter
What was that other guys name, Malone or something, Karl Malone?
Don't do that!!
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
And if that were only true I imagine that would be a strong point.
Unfortunately as it turns out Omri, Ben, Landry, Reggie and of course Collison were all putting in excellent/better work than Karl has gotten out of them.
Karl on the other hand has gotten more out of DWill, Stauskas (although obviously Nik has many more months of NBA experience now), and McCallum (as a starter in place of DC) or Miller (who was not here)
I can't get easy splits on the entire Malone tenure, so I'm going to use November. Karl is everything post All-Star, but to be equivalent I'll just use March (both March and November have 15gms so far):
By Support Player
McLemore: November 12.1pts (.617TS%) 3.5reb 1.1ast vs. March 11.3pts (.511TS%) 2.5reb 1.9ast EDGE: November
Casspi: November 8.7pts (.631TS%) 3.4reb 1.4ast vs. March 7.9pts (.545TS%) 3.6reb 1.7ast EDGE: November
Landry: November 9.1pts (.575TS%) 4.3reb 0.7ast vs. March 4.3pts (.565TS%) 2.0reb 0.1ast EDGE: November
Reggie: November 4.9pts (.547TS%) 7.6reb 0.6ast vs. March 2.6pts (.492TS%) 5.3reb 0.5ast EDGE: November
Williams: November 4.3pts (.510TS%) 1.6reb 0.4ast vs. March 10.2pts (.608TS%) 2.3reb 0.8ast EDGE: March
Stauskas: March
McCallum: March
Collison: November
Miller: March
Hollins in neither really.
I would argue Jason mattered much more in November as well, but its not in the offensive numbers, so I won't bother trying to push that point.
In any case, point is pretty clear -- Karl has different guys contributing, not necessarily more guys contributing. In fact he's specifically (and wisely even if the personnel choices aren't ideal) tightened his rotations. I suppose you could say the emergent platoons at PG and SG are "more guys contributing", but they are also because the starters aren't contributing as much (and Malone was stuck with Sessions instead of Miller).
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
I agree totally. And would only add we then finally replaced mediocre substitute teacher with HOF coach with over 1,000 NBA wins under his belt - nirvana!?
You have a far more optimistic view of the Tyrone Corbin era than I, my friend.
J
jdbraver
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Malone had also had more than a year at the helm at that point. Karl a few months. Compare it to Malone's third month.
Why do you really want to go down this road? It makes no sense.
But... I'll bite. Why don't you tell me about who coached the team before Malone? How did that coach set him up Malone for success? What about the roster Malone inherited? Pretty much the same, right? I mean, no turnover, stability, all those good things. Malone did quite a tremendous amount of work with this roster - no need to disparage his work. Karl had a good set up because of it and is looking to continue to improve it. As was mentioned, we're winning in different ways, but it's certainly not because Malone was ineffective. Just, different.
If you want to do the comparison, since you made the argument - go back to his roster. Look up (although you should already know) who coached before Malone, and look at what he accomplished. Then look at the moves made before and during his tenure relative to the moves made prior to Karl's... Or don't. It's up to you.
Padrino
All-Star
if the kings can continue to reinvigorate themselves defensively, and can continue to improve offensively under karl, then they will certainly be primed for some measure of success. but it all hinges on karl's ability to get consistent effort from this team on defense. they're going nowhere without it, so cousins must continue to set the tone on that end of the floor...
Here's the thing about this 4 game winning streak. It hasn't been just Nellie freakout ball where we just get in a track meet and win 125-119. We're beating teams in all facets with some of the more consistent defensive effort we've seen since the beginning of the year. Throw out the first half of Philly and you we're playing Malone-level of defense.
The offense will (and already is) a lot better than it ever was under Malone. If the defensive pressure stays at this level, then the change will have been for the better.
IfAt1st
Starter
Let's not argue over whether Malone was better or Karl.
That's not going to get us anywhere, and the jury is still WAY too out to determine, anyway.
Let's talk about what IS important : Karl's health.
I know nothing about his current medical checkups, but from my eyeball test, I would be shocked if he finishes his contract with the Kings, unfortunately.
He looks like he's barely holding on physically, and his demeanor suggests to me he isn't going to be coaching them long.
I really hope my fears are misplaced, because I don't know what might happen to this team/franchise if he has to step down for health reasons before the middle of next (a winning) season.
