[News] Clippers Paying Kawhi Under the Table

No. What I am saying is that both can be applied individually (i.e. the contract can be void AND he can get fined). In this instance, I wouldn't be surprised if the NBA sees both as being such (i.e. "Not only are we going to void Kawhi's contract, but we are also going to fine him x dollars")...
Ok, what I’m wondering about is logistically how they would assess the fine if Kawhi doesn’t have an active NBA contract. My understanding is that normally a fine comes from a player’s paycheck. If a contract is voided, no paycheck, so how is the NBA going to get the money?
 
Ok, what I’m wondering about is logistically how they would assess the fine if Kawhi doesn’t have an active NBA contract. My understanding is that normally a fine comes from a player’s paycheck. If a contract is voided, no paycheck, so how is the NBA going to get the money?
I'm not going to spell it all out for here right now because you will be able to answer your question by conducting a simple Google search, but the NBA is definitely NOT restricted to only a player's paycheck when collecting a fine...:):):)
 
I'm not going to spell it all out for here right now because you will be able to answer your question by conducting a simple Google search, but the NBA is definitely NOT restricted to only a player's paycheck when collecting a fine...:):):)
Well, in this day and age, we all have personalized search results, so maybe your Google is different than my Google. As far as I can tell, the NBA has never reclaimed a fine from a player with no active contract. So feel free to spell it out if you have anything.

If the NBA asks Kawhi to return $50 million dollars (in order to be allowed to sign a new NBA contract), I'm thinking Kawhi just says "no."
 
Well, in this day and age, we all have personalized search results, so maybe your Google is different than my Google. As far as I can tell, the NBA has never reclaimed a fine from a player with no active contract. So feel free to spell it out if you have anything.

If the NBA asks Kawhi to return $50 million dollars (in order to be allowed to sign a new NBA contract), I'm thinking Kawhi just says "no."
I mean, now you're kind of talking about something different...Yes, the NBA has never reclaimed a fine from a player with no active contract. But, that was not your initial question. You simply asked if it can be done. And based on what I see and read, yes, it can.
 
(He’s also potentially going to be banned from playing for them)
There's an article in the Athletic today by Hollinger talking about this. (Link)

In part, he talks about some issues surrounding a possible nullification of Kawhi's contract. For one, if such a thing were to happen soon, and Kawhi were not to be suspended, then there would be a crazy late-fall free-for-all in the market with teams going after him for effectively the min salary (because nobody really has money left). Another thing is that it would kind of let the Clippers off the hook. Right now they have two years and $100M invested in a guy who only managed 37 games last year. Seems like a lot of teams in the league don't want to see the Clippers get all that cap space back and would rather see the $7M salary (with stock options, $12M??) from the circumvention actually applied to the Clippers' cap and watch them spiral deeper into the Tax over it. The bigger punishment might be to not void the contract in the first place.

I kind of see his point. I say, make the Clippers keep Kawhi, hit them with a "death penalty" in terms of draft picks, and see if there's a legal way in the CBA to put that circumvention money against their cap. Make this hurt, for as long as possible, and set the franchise back a decade. No mercy.
 
In other news, our esteemed commissioner is promising to really, truly, honestly get to the bottom of all of this! (Link)

The commissioner also clarified his prior comments in which he said he’d never heard of the company Aspiration before.

“If I said I never heard of it, I meant in the context of the accusations here. I mean, I certainly was aware of the brand,” Silver said. That comment came after Torre posted on X that he obtained a copy of Aspiration’s $300 million “Founding Sponsorship Agreement” that said the agreement must be approved by the NBA before its enforcement.
LOL

LMFAO
 
They are saying they won't conclude the investigation before the ASB.

Also the 2026 NBA All Star Game will be held at the Intuit Dome.

Yeah so. yeah.

I might have to revise my prediction. If Adam Silver now has to get dragged through the mud for the next 5 months as little pieces of the puzzle get uncovered and made public one at a time and then host the biggest NBA event of the year at ground central for the whole fiasco he may be sufficiently exasperated by what Steve Ballmer has put him through by February to actually bring down the hammer.
 
So, you think that the Clippers should lose picks, even if malfeasance can't be proven?
The standard of proof depends on the court. Torre's making a (successful) argument to the court of public opinion. He has been slow playing his hand a little bit, but I doubt he has enough content to keep up interest in this topic for most of a year.

But the NBA board of governors is billionaire court, and the standard of proof there is based how much they are personally injured by an infraction.

I think public opinion will be pretty muted by the time the investigation wraps up. And that's when the decision how or if to punish Ballmer will take place.
 
This seems like an obvious lie, but... how do you reckon they intend to prove that he didn't get scammed? And, if they can't prove it, how are they supposed to punish him?
It's not a criminal trial, so they don't have to prove he wasn't scammed. Such a high burden of proof in something like this would just be an indicator of corruption. If the paper trail is there, and a reasonable person would think him more likely guilty than not, there absolutely should be appropriate penalties.
 
It's not a criminal trial, so they don't have to prove he wasn't scammed. Such a high burden of proof in something like this would just be an indicator of corruption. If the paper trail is there, and a reasonable person would think him more likely guilty than not, there absolutely should be appropriate penalties.
Perhaps... I'm just not willing to rule out the possibility of there being scammers afoot.
 
The standard of proof depends on the court. Torre's making a (successful) argument to the court of public opinion. He has been slow playing his hand a little bit, but I doubt he has enough content to keep up interest in this topic for most of a year.
Apropos of nothing, where do you stand on this growing trend of journalism as content? By which I am referring to this practice of slow-rolling the reporting in order to drive engagement, as opposed to releasing a single comprehensive report?
 
Occam's razor, to be honest. Scamming a team owner for tens of millions of dollars and giving tens of millions of dollars to one of his players for doing nothing, sounds absurd.
Only if you fixate on the "doing nothing" part, which I'm not doing. And, if what I read was correct, Ballmer put in over a hundred million.

In any good pyramid scheme, you always pay out some of the money... so you can keep getting the other money. I'm willing to believe that Aspiration paid Kawhi 30, in order to take Ballmer for 100.
 
Apropos of nothing, where do you stand on this growing trend of journalism as content? By which I am referring to this practice of slow-rolling the reporting in order to drive engagement, as opposed to releasing a single comprehensive report?
Hmm. I didn't interpret what Torre was doing here as maximizing engagement. I assumed he was provoking a response with his initial report jab, and then coming in with a cross after the weak PR defense of blanket denials was set up. Standard 1-2 punch. As a result we got to see Cuban express support (if not outright fealty) to Ballmer, for no apparent reason other than rich guy solidarity. I found that interesting.

I don't think this is fundamentally new for journalism; Watergate was reported in hundreds of articles by Woodward and Bernstein; Carreyrou wrote over a dozen articles on Theranos over a couple of years. It's a natural reaction to lie in order to cover up another lie, so initial reporting can open up new threads.

On journalism as content in general, I'm displeased that this stuff is coming from a content creator network instead of a journalistic institution, because content gets served up to people by recommendation algorithms instead of editors, and nobody holds a recommendation algorithm accountable for hiding the truth from people.
 
On journalism as content in general, I'm displeased that this stuff is coming from a content creator network instead of a journalistic institution, because content gets served up to people by recommendation algorithms instead of editors, and nobody holds a recommendation algorithm accountable for hiding the truth from people.
Pablo works for the Athletic, which is a subsidiary of the New York Times so it’s not like this is a random TikToker breaking this news
 
Hmm. I didn't interpret what Torre was doing here as maximizing engagement. I assumed he was provoking a response with his initial report jab, and then coming in with a cross after the weak PR defense of blanket denials was set up. Standard 1-2 punch. As a result we got to see Cuban express support (if not outright fealty) to Ballmer, for no apparent reason other than rich guy solidarity. I found that interesting.

I don't think this is fundamentally new for journalism; Watergate was reported in hundreds of articles by Woodward and Bernstein; Carreyrou wrote over a dozen articles on Theranos over a couple of years. It's a natural reaction to lie in order to cover up another lie, so initial reporting can open up new threads.

On journalism as content in general, I'm displeased that this stuff is coming from a content creator network instead of a journalistic institution, because content gets served up to people by recommendation algorithms instead of editors, and nobody holds a recommendation algorithm accountable for hiding the truth from people.

I do think there's a difference between a story like Watergate, in which Woodward and Bernstein slowly peeled back the onion of the scandal and thus the reporting was meted out in accordance with the investigative journalism being conducted, and a story like the Clippers' potential cap circumvention, in which Torre appears to be just sitting on material and drip-feeding the story to serve an otherwise barren late-summer NBA content machine.
 
I do think there's a difference between a story like Watergate, in which Woodward and Bernstein slowly peeled back the onion of the scandal and thus the reporting was meted out in accordance with the investigative journalism being conducted, and a story like the Clippers' potential cap circumvention, in which Torre appears to be just sitting on material and drip-feeding the story to serve an otherwise barren late-summer NBA content machine.

Who's to say the Watergate scandal wouldn't have broken pretty much the same way in 2025 as this story is? There aren't enough newspapers left for 1970s style print journalism to survive as anything more than a niche occupation whereas YouTube (for better or worse) has a business model which still allows people to do this kind of work. This is genuine research with verifiable sources which already distinguishes it from most content creation in my opinion.
 
Who's to say the Watergate scandal wouldn't have broken pretty much the same way in 2025 as this story is? There aren't enough newspapers left for 1970s style print journalism to survive as anything more than a niche occupation whereas YouTube (for better or worse) has a business model which still allows people to do this kind of work. This is genuine research with verifiable sources which already distinguishes it from most content creation in my opinion.

I wasn't offering a value judgment of any kind regarding the quality of Torre's reporting. I was just stating that there's a difference between the nature of the reporting in the Watergate scandal circa 1972 and the nature of the reporting in the Clippergate scandal of 2025.

It is, of course, a travesty that modern investigative journalism has little in the way of viability from a business model standpoint. The "pivot to video" across all media outlets was an absolute death knell for modern journalism, because video content is always more expensive to produce than written content, which was always going to mean that the venture capitalists and hedge funds that now own most media outlets across the country would dedicate fewer and fewer resources to the kind of labor-intensive grunt work necessary to "speak truth to power" and all that.

Personally, I applaud the work Pablo Torre is doing, but it doesn't mean I have to like the manner in which the work must be delivered in order to sustain any reasonable amount of control over the quality of the work itself. That's a now problem that we're going to have to untangle if we as a culture value real reporting (and I'm not sure we do, for the record).
 
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