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Even though the ordeal with Seattle was agonizing for me as a Kings fan since the day the franchise arrived in Sacramento, if that were the first move of this new regime I'd honestly stop following the team. If that's all they could get for MT and DMC I'd say the Rabadive era could be proclaimed a failure before it even really started.
And again, here's the problem with these scenarios from Kings fans. They seem to amount to, "Cousins is a cancer and we will never win anything with him on the team" followed up by "let's trade him for team X's star player"
Not going to happen. If Cousins is dealt Sacramento will get less talent in return. I can't imagine how that wouldn't be the case.
Not going to happen. If Cousins is dealt Sacramento will get less talent in return. I can't imagine how that wouldn't be the case.
I highly doubt the 15+ tech's, 5 suspensions were all because of the environment. He creates that environment. There are at 5 more teams with worst environments than Sacramento and I don't here about the players. Are you saying that Kendrick Perkins and Larry Sanders getting there technicals because of the teams there on. Nobody ever takes responsible for themselves.
His teammates hate him. He's a horrible defender, He's lazy and he's not this great shooter everyone thinks he is: http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=%&type=pg&posi=C&yr=2013&gp2=40&mins=20
He doesn't even Rank in the top 10 in ANY FG% amongst centers. Not even at the rim. His production has gone down. Not to mention we are 5-5 when he doesn't play the last 2 years.I will say this. I would be willing to give him til trade deadline then if nothing changes trade him. If by some act of god he does change give him the rest of the year.
God I need a bigger screen or skinnier fingers.
His teammates hate him. He's a horrible defender, He's lazy and he's not this great shooter everyone thinks he is: http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=%&type=pg&posi=C&yr=2013&gp2=40&mins=20
He doesn't even Rank in the top 10 in ANY FG% amongst centers. Not even at the rim. His production has gone down. Not to mention we are 5-5 when he doesn't play the last 2 years.I will say this. I would be willing to give him til trade deadline then if nothing changes trade him. If by some act of god he does change give him the rest of the year.
God I need a bigger screen or skinnier fingers.
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Are you guys joking? Cousins has nothing that has shown improvement with his demeanor and respect for anyone. All his teammates say that the stuff he does in practice is unimaginable. He also has AWFUL defense. You are telling me you wouldnt want to trade him for the number 1 pick in the draft (essentialy Noel) AND a 12 and 10 player who actually plays GREAT defense?
Really? When did his teammates say this? Show quotes not rumors spouted by a jackass like napear. This team is bad but it has one potential star that admittedly has maturity issues and isn't a great defender. It's basketball team building 101 that you don't trade a potential star (especially in a small market) for role players. You surround them with role players to provide a more stable, effective team.
Honestly, I'm already missing discussing the Seattle situation with some of the nonsense starting up again.
Honestly, I'm already missing discussing the Seattle situation with some of the nonsense starting up again.
Haha.
Please remember to include a winkie smilie next time.
28 years going now in Sacto, and the single most talented player this franchise has ever drafted is currently on the team. Let's trade him.
Anderson Varejao is a nice complimentary piece with a ruinous injury history. Given this draft's weakness if they were to offer him to us for the #7, I might at least listen. Cousins? HAHAHAHA!
Please remember to include a winkie smilie next time.
28 years going now in Sacto, and the single most talented player this franchise has ever drafted is currently on the team. Let's trade him.
Anderson Varejao is a nice complimentary piece with a ruinous injury history. Given this draft's weakness if they were to offer him to us for the #7, I might at least listen. Cousins? HAHAHAHA!
Have you guys not watched Indiana and Memphis lately? They have two DEFENSIVE Minded Big men who are not superstars. They do not have any superstars on their team. But they are winning. Anderson PLUS Noel would be a beast lineup defensively. Keep Tyreke and grab a decent SF and we should be set for the long run.
You guys still have not countered on Cousins demeanor on the court, with his team behind the scenes, etc. COusins could be a HUGE buzzkill for Sacramento if he messes up again when all Kings fans are so excited right now. I would not take the chance on losing that excitement if we can get some solid pieces back.
You guys still have not countered on Cousins demeanor on the court, with his team behind the scenes, etc. COusins could be a HUGE buzzkill for Sacramento if he messes up again when all Kings fans are so excited right now. I would not take the chance on losing that excitement if we can get some solid pieces back.
Varejao plus Noel would not be a "beast lineup". They'd be our version of Ibaka and Perkins, which is to say only really assets on one end of the floor and needing actual stars to make up for their offensive deficiencies. It would take more than resigning Tyreke and grabbing "a decent SF" to make that frontcourt work.
Do I wish DeMarcus would grow up? Of course, but let's have a little perspective. So he's foul tempered on the court and grumpy with the media. And yes he argues with the refs much more than he should. But if we're looking at Memphis and Indiana, should we mention the off the court issues that Zach Randolph and Lance Stephenson have had? And I'm not even talking about Randolph's checkered history in Portland. A drug dealer (who was presumably called out to deliver a large amount of weed to a party) was severely beaten at Randolph's house two years ago.
Around that same time Lance Stephenson pushed his girlfriend down a flight of stairs during an argument, only to walk down and slam her head against the bottom step.
And yet there are both of those guys, being big contributors to the teams you think the Kings should be more like. I'll take an immature hothead over an actual criminal. And I'll take a supremely talented bigman with loads of untapped potential over starting over with a soon-to-be 31 year old hustle guy and the top pick in the worst NBA draft I can remember.
Besides, if the Kings went that route of dumping DeMarcus, they might as well let Tyreke walk and consider this an expansion franchise with a hope of lucking into a top 4 pick (or two) in next year's loaded draft. Personally I think that's a loser mentality and has never worked for teams that have employed it, but at least then I could understand the strategy even if I disagreed with it.
Unless Cuz himself wants out though, I think you build around the guy and see where he can take you. He's inefficient right now with a number of red flags, but Brick is absolutely right that he's the most talented player the Sacramento Kings have ever drafted.
Do I wish DeMarcus would grow up? Of course, but let's have a little perspective. So he's foul tempered on the court and grumpy with the media. And yes he argues with the refs much more than he should. But if we're looking at Memphis and Indiana, should we mention the off the court issues that Zach Randolph and Lance Stephenson have had? And I'm not even talking about Randolph's checkered history in Portland. A drug dealer (who was presumably called out to deliver a large amount of weed to a party) was severely beaten at Randolph's house two years ago.
Around that same time Lance Stephenson pushed his girlfriend down a flight of stairs during an argument, only to walk down and slam her head against the bottom step.
And yet there are both of those guys, being big contributors to the teams you think the Kings should be more like. I'll take an immature hothead over an actual criminal. And I'll take a supremely talented bigman with loads of untapped potential over starting over with a soon-to-be 31 year old hustle guy and the top pick in the worst NBA draft I can remember.
Besides, if the Kings went that route of dumping DeMarcus, they might as well let Tyreke walk and consider this an expansion franchise with a hope of lucking into a top 4 pick (or two) in next year's loaded draft. Personally I think that's a loser mentality and has never worked for teams that have employed it, but at least then I could understand the strategy even if I disagreed with it.
Unless Cuz himself wants out though, I think you build around the guy and see where he can take you. He's inefficient right now with a number of red flags, but Brick is absolutely right that he's the most talented player the Sacramento Kings have ever drafted.
BTW, for those not paying very close attention:
Cousins two great weaknesses, defense aside, have been the young player's classics: FG% and Fouls. Watch this:
Cousins FG%/FT%/Fls
Yr 1: 43.0/68.7/4.1
Yr 2: 44.8/70.2/4.0
Yr 3: 46.5/73.8/3.6
Odd for a guy not improving.
And actually, after the Christmas blowup, from the point that Cousins returned these were his shooting percentages:
Jan .477
Feb .526
Mar .500
Apr .490
Tim Duncan shot .502 on the year.
Marc Gasol shot .494 on the year.
Roy Hibbert shot .448 on the year.
Cousins two great weaknesses, defense aside, have been the young player's classics: FG% and Fouls. Watch this:
Cousins FG%/FT%/Fls
Yr 1: 43.0/68.7/4.1
Yr 2: 44.8/70.2/4.0
Yr 3: 46.5/73.8/3.6
Odd for a guy not improving.
And actually, after the Christmas blowup, from the point that Cousins returned these were his shooting percentages:
Jan .477
Feb .526
Mar .500
Apr .490
Tim Duncan shot .502 on the year.
Marc Gasol shot .494 on the year.
Roy Hibbert shot .448 on the year.
So obviously the route forward is to trade away your most talented kid. That should be handy, means this summer we should be able to pluck Greg Monroe, Andre Drummond, John Wall, Anthony Davis and Kyrie Irving for cheap. Not sure why we'd want them. Buncha losers.
That is, BTW, the absolute classic way that smart franchises beat down the eternal dregs of the league. Steal the young talent from weaklings unable or unwilling to capitalize on it.
That is, BTW, the absolute classic way that smart franchises beat down the eternal dregs of the league. Steal the young talent from weaklings unable or unwilling to capitalize on it.
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I never once said to trade him for nothing. I said its only worth trading him for equal value which I know won't happen. I just like talking about basketball and the players I'd potentially take in return for him. Until then I can't take my kids to the games in fear they'll see a grown man(or kid to some) grabbing his package and yelling at fans who like to see hustling and heart.
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