Cleveland/ Kings
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But that's the point. There won't be a good deal on the table.
I'm a big believer in Cousin's abilities and potential and thus have no interest in trading him.
But for those of you that want to see him dealt, understand that for the teams interested in him it is largely because they think they can get him at a bargain and that he's a low risk cap gamble given that he's on the last year of his rookie deal. The Kings will NOT get anything resembling equal talent if they decide to trade DMC. I'm sure some detractors think dealing him would be addition by subtraction. But in terms of talent the Kings will end up on the wrong side if the ledger in a trade.
I think it would be eye opening to hear the "flexible pieces" that other teams are dangling or considering dangling for Cousins and I doubt even the biggest proponents of dealing DeMarcus would pull the trigger on anything being offered.
I'm a big believer in Cousin's abilities and potential and thus have no interest in trading him.
But for those of you that want to see him dealt, understand that for the teams interested in him it is largely because they think they can get him at a bargain and that he's a low risk cap gamble given that he's on the last year of his rookie deal. The Kings will NOT get anything resembling equal talent if they decide to trade DMC. I'm sure some detractors think dealing him would be addition by subtraction. But in terms of talent the Kings will end up on the wrong side if the ledger in a trade.
I think it would be eye opening to hear the "flexible pieces" that other teams are dangling or considering dangling for Cousins and I doubt even the biggest proponents of dealing DeMarcus would pull the trigger on anything being offered.
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I agree with you in the sense that teams are going to try to stiff us and I don't believe in giving him away for free. The purpose of the thread was if a team is willing to give us a young stud like Irving for him would you DMC supporters be willing to pull the trigger on a deal?
Me personally I would. At a spurs game I got to see, I was kind of put off by him grabbing his crouch at his own fan for telling him to get back on D and stop arguing with the refs.
Me personally I would. At a spurs game I got to see, I was kind of put off by him grabbing his crouch at his own fan for telling him to get back on D and stop arguing with the refs.
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Honestly, it really depends. I'd never trade big talent for small talent -it's just so hard to find big talent.
Dallas doesn't have anything I would want. Cleveland? I'd shoot for the #1 and probably Thompson/Waiters (IDK). I don't know that they would part with Irving at all, because he would be good to pair with Cousins- trying something closer to reality. Charlotte? MKG and their pick. You might get my interest, but I'm really against trading DMC unless the potential to fill major needs exists. Otherwise, it's a trade we will regret for a long time to come - he's a major talent, warts and all. When he grows out of it, and I tend to believe he will, we're going to have a very special player (who's pretty much there now.)
Again, I don't really play the trade game, because I'm too lazy to crunch the numbers to make sure that they work or try and figure out what other teams are thinking, but I thought I'd play along for once. It is TDOS, after all.
Dallas doesn't have anything I would want. Cleveland? I'd shoot for the #1 and probably Thompson/Waiters (IDK). I don't know that they would part with Irving at all, because he would be good to pair with Cousins- trying something closer to reality. Charlotte? MKG and their pick. You might get my interest, but I'm really against trading DMC unless the potential to fill major needs exists. Otherwise, it's a trade we will regret for a long time to come - he's a major talent, warts and all. When he grows out of it, and I tend to believe he will, we're going to have a very special player (who's pretty much there now.)
Again, I don't really play the trade game, because I'm too lazy to crunch the numbers to make sure that they work or try and figure out what other teams are thinking, but I thought I'd play along for once. It is TDOS, after all.
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But again, why would a team give up a young stud for a guy regarded as a head case?
Either we live with DeMarcus and his issues or we knowingly deal the guy for lesser talents because we can't handle him. But don't expect to get much in return for him. My guess is that we'd be looking at getting back another teams 3rd or 4th best talent.
Either we live with DeMarcus and his issues or we knowingly deal the guy for lesser talents because we can't handle him. But don't expect to get much in return for him. My guess is that we'd be looking at getting back another teams 3rd or 4th best talent.
Irving is obviously untouchable and untradeable.
Chad Ford is another rumormongerer of a fairly low order. What he says rarely means anything. He just has a minimum words limit to keep his name in print.
All three teams can **** off, as can the rest of the league. Go ahead, be interested in DMC. Eat your ****ing little hearts out. There is no conceivable player or combination of players in any of those cities, Irving aside, that makes a DMC trade even possible. And indeed, only an idiot trades a DMC, period. Almost impossible to win that one. Since we do not know who is going to be running the franchise, maybe we get an idiot. But I doubt it.
Chad Ford is another rumormongerer of a fairly low order. What he says rarely means anything. He just has a minimum words limit to keep his name in print.
All three teams can **** off, as can the rest of the league. Go ahead, be interested in DMC. Eat your ****ing little hearts out. There is no conceivable player or combination of players in any of those cities, Irving aside, that makes a DMC trade even possible. And indeed, only an idiot trades a DMC, period. Almost impossible to win that one. Since we do not know who is going to be running the franchise, maybe we get an idiot. But I doubt it.
I saw a Cavs fan who was foaming-at-the-mouth excited over the possibility of getting Cousins - literally threw out a Cousins + 2013 #36 for Varejao + 2013 #1 + 2013 #19 + 2014 First Rounder. Obviously the Stepien rule (thanks, Cleveland!) would prevent that until after the draft, but I kinda did a double take on that. All of a sudden, that's not a lowball offer. Not saying I'd necessarily take it (though if that 2014 pick was completely unprotected and it gave us two shots at Wiggins...) but in the unlikely event the new ownership insists on dumping Cuz, that's the kind of package I'd want to get back.
Not saying I agree with the deal, but the #1 pick could look mighty shiny for a new FO and management group, especially for a player like Cuz who's caused problems since he entered the league. #1, #7 and Reke could be an attractive starting point for the rebuild.
Again, not saying I agree with it, but I think it's for sure something that could be in play
Again, not saying I agree with it, but I think it's for sure something that could be in play
First off, can we apply a little logic if we're even going to discuss some crap rumor from a questionable source like Chad freaking Ford? Seriously, think about it for a minute. If Cle were interested, which I don't doubt they or many teams are because Cuz is such a remarkable talent, wouldn't they want to pair Irving, not Irvine, but Irving with Cuz? Of course they would. They aren't including Kyrie in a trade, nor should they, they want to pair their All Star PG with a talented big. Considering that, who else on that roster can get us anywhere near equal value for Cuz? If you answer no one, you'd be correct.
Who does Dal have aside from a 34 yr old Dirk? No one. They surely aren't trading Dirk, trying to add around him. So again, nothing near equal value, unless you'd want to trade Cuz for Collison and Marion, which would be ludicrous. And Dirk would be a no-go anyway. I wouldn't trade Cuz for Dirk.
Char? Please.
It's just funny the way some fans act like the better players around the league are all angels and if Cuz does something wrong he's a cancer which needs to be moved, without even acknowledging his age or our organization's overall pathetic and negative atmosphere since he was drafted. Barkley threw a guy through a bar window when he was playing, yet his career worked out just fine without his team's fans turning on him. KG has a history of cheap shots against Euro players on the court and cracked a Minn draft pick in the face during a summer pickup game, yet Minn fans of course still wanted him. Kobe was in multiple fist fights on the court when younger(Childs, Miller), had a rape allegation against him and was labelled uncoachable by arguably the greatest coach ever. Rondo has been suspended for bumping a ref and throwing a ball at a ref on two separate occasions, ran Ray Allen out of town and has been labelled as hard to work with. D12 is a prima donna and brings serious baggage with him wherever he goes. Kevin Love publicly calling out his organization and threatening to leave on multiple occasions, along with stepping on Scola's face intentionally in a game. Does Melo have a reputation as an angel? Easy to coach and zero off court issues, nevermind his role in a fistfight(cheap shot punch) in the Garden. And I could go on and on.
You don't need to be an angel or the second coming of Tim Duncan to win in this league, nor is it that way in real life either. No one is accusing Cuz of being an angel or not needing to mature, but with new ownership, new FO and new coach coming in, a rebirth of the franchise of you will, a new era, you simply don't trade him, especially not for pennies on the dollar, without being damn sure he can't get it all together under a competent coach within a different culture(which I'm sure Vivek will instill).
And for the record, trading Cuz for role players, draft picks or guards will never get you equal value. Every great guard needed a dominant big to win, outside of MJ and Lebron/Wade, which is nearly impossible to replicate. Unless it's Anthony Davis, a true star big(or will be) and has a decade of dominance ahead, I really don't know who you'd even consider. And considering Cle, Dal or Char is simply an exercise in futility.
Who does Dal have aside from a 34 yr old Dirk? No one. They surely aren't trading Dirk, trying to add around him. So again, nothing near equal value, unless you'd want to trade Cuz for Collison and Marion, which would be ludicrous. And Dirk would be a no-go anyway. I wouldn't trade Cuz for Dirk.
Char? Please.
It's just funny the way some fans act like the better players around the league are all angels and if Cuz does something wrong he's a cancer which needs to be moved, without even acknowledging his age or our organization's overall pathetic and negative atmosphere since he was drafted. Barkley threw a guy through a bar window when he was playing, yet his career worked out just fine without his team's fans turning on him. KG has a history of cheap shots against Euro players on the court and cracked a Minn draft pick in the face during a summer pickup game, yet Minn fans of course still wanted him. Kobe was in multiple fist fights on the court when younger(Childs, Miller), had a rape allegation against him and was labelled uncoachable by arguably the greatest coach ever. Rondo has been suspended for bumping a ref and throwing a ball at a ref on two separate occasions, ran Ray Allen out of town and has been labelled as hard to work with. D12 is a prima donna and brings serious baggage with him wherever he goes. Kevin Love publicly calling out his organization and threatening to leave on multiple occasions, along with stepping on Scola's face intentionally in a game. Does Melo have a reputation as an angel? Easy to coach and zero off court issues, nevermind his role in a fistfight(cheap shot punch) in the Garden. And I could go on and on.
You don't need to be an angel or the second coming of Tim Duncan to win in this league, nor is it that way in real life either. No one is accusing Cuz of being an angel or not needing to mature, but with new ownership, new FO and new coach coming in, a rebirth of the franchise of you will, a new era, you simply don't trade him, especially not for pennies on the dollar, without being damn sure he can't get it all together under a competent coach within a different culture(which I'm sure Vivek will instill).
And for the record, trading Cuz for role players, draft picks or guards will never get you equal value. Every great guard needed a dominant big to win, outside of MJ and Lebron/Wade, which is nearly impossible to replicate. Unless it's Anthony Davis, a true star big(or will be) and has a decade of dominance ahead, I really don't know who you'd even consider. And considering Cle, Dal or Char is simply an exercise in futility.
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My position on trading Cousins is that youd have to be a basketball idiot to do so. For the sake of entertaining the thread idea, no i wouldnt trade Cousins for Irving. Nor would i trade Cousins for Irving + any combination of players/picks that cleveland has to offer. You NEVER trade big for small. So far all of the reasons ive read for trading Cousins are pure nonsense.
Why trade your starting center? The only other starter the Kings have is Evans at SG. All of our other players are bench players. PP or JT will suffice at PF IF the Kings sign starting level PG and SF.
I want the Kings to sign a player, say Jose Calderon, trade some small guards and/or JT-PP for Granger, re-sign Tyreke, Douglas and Aldrich and draft a SF to groom. If the Kings did that the players left over would make a pretty good bench.
Don't trade the Best Big Man the Kings have had since CWebb!
KB
I want the Kings to sign a player, say Jose Calderon, trade some small guards and/or JT-PP for Granger, re-sign Tyreke, Douglas and Aldrich and draft a SF to groom. If the Kings did that the players left over would make a pretty good bench.
Don't trade the Best Big Man the Kings have had since CWebb!
KB
First of all I don't consider my self an idiot and I can't believe you guys would go ad low as to referring to fellow fan as idiots or stupid for asking an opinion.
BTW the Lakers traded a big to get the rights to certain unproven high school player in 1996. That worked out pretty good for them.
BTW the Lakers traded a big to get the rights to certain unproven high school player in 1996. That worked out pretty good for them.
Vlade was a very solid player and better leader/locker room presence and vital to our success, but really not a similar situation.
First of all I don't consider my self an idiot and I can't believe you guys would go ad low as to referring to fellow fan as idiots or stupid for asking an opinion.
BTW the Lakers traded a big to get the rights to certain unproven high school player in 1996. That worked out pretty good for them.
BTW the Lakers traded a big to get the rights to certain unproven high school player in 1996. That worked out pretty good for them.
Cousins could be the best center in the game as early as next year. Barring a new entry into the field, in 5 years I'd almost bet on it. You don't trade that player. And oh yeah, Cleveland can throw down the next 100 first round picks. For what? What exactly am I going to get out of the draft better than the 22yr old best center in the game in waiting? That's the draft pick trap. Ooh! Ooh! A draft pick! Well, the entire bleeping point of having a draft pick is to draft DeMarcus Cousins. Once you do so only a fool trades him back away for pciks that might not be DeMarcus Cousins. The next one might be Thomas Robinson, and then you've really ****ed yourself forever.
If Cleveland were indeed interested in Cousins it was just be the 1rst and change for the 7th and Cousins, which would work for neither team... Cleveland will most likely be sold that either McLemore or Noel are stars and not worth Cousins and 7, and likewise we will be sold that the difference between the 1rst and 7th pick in this particular draft are not worth Cousins