Clarification: This Is Not A Salary Dump!

[QueensFan]

I've missed you guys. I've been lurking, but I can't hold my tongue anymore. Sometimes it takes a crisis to reunite old friends and this is certainly it! Without further ado I want to clarify, and forgive me if someone has already made this clear but this was my biggest misunderstanding about this trade:

THIS TRADE WAS NOT A SALARY DUMP!

In other words, the Kings DO NOT SAVE MONEY from this trade - they CANNOT sign new free agents as a result of it.

Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1998456

In fact, the Sixers DID have someone they could have traded to us for salary dump purposes - Glenn Robinson who is in the last year of his contract at 12 mil.

This ABSOLUTELY BLOWS MY MIND!

I AM BEWILDERED!

 

[Andriod_KiNg]

I know... this is HORRIBLE.... NO REASON AT ALL FOR THIS TRADE.... **** someone explain to me what is going on...

 

[QueensFan]

From the article:

What is surprising, however, is what the Kings will get from the 76ers in return. None of the three players the Kings receive are as talented as Webber. Each has been struggling this year and all three have long-term contracts equal to the total left on Webber's deal. In other words, this isn't a salary dump by the Kings.

Thomas has five years and $39 million left on his deal, plus a 15 percent trade kicker that will raise his salary higher. Williams has two years and $12.5 million left on his deal. Skinner has one year and $4.9 million left on his contract plus another year at $5.4 million that is 75 percent guaranteed.

 

[bdouble013]

Welcome back QF. I'm sad that this is what made you come back, but I'll take it.

That being said these glorified scrubs better freakin step up.

 

[uolj]

QueensFan, I don't think it was just a salary dump, mostly because Petrie said that that wasn't the predominant factor.

I do think it was made in part to get more salary/trade flexibility because they can trade one of the smaller contracts alone instead of the one big monster one.

 

[QueensFan]

Ok, good point. But trade when? The deadline is tomorrow? Does he have something else up his sleeve? This is very hard for me to believe. Is this how the Kings plan on rebuilding? By trading these scrubs? They have no value! They have long term contracts!

 

[uolj]

I would assume over this summer or next year is when they might be traded. The flexibility would be there over the next few years - kind of a long term thing.

 

[Bricklayer]

Who can we trade them for? They are all middling players with long term deals. There is no real trade value there. To not even get ONE of the kids in return is unconscionable.

 

[bdouble013]

I hope to hell Petrie has another trade up his sleeves involving these cats now. Otherwise we are screwed.

 

[Rockmeister]

Ok, good point. But trade when? The deadline is tomorrow? Does he have something else up his sleeve? This is very hard for me to believe. Is this how the Kings plan on rebuilding? By trading these scrubs? They have no value! They have long term contracts!

I think the trade will come in the off-season. By the way,welcome back.

 

[VF21]

Welcome back, Queensfan!

This deal was Petrie's way of attempting to get Pedja to stay. It's the only thing that makes sense.

Bricklayer has been predicting something like this virtually all season. I have argued myself blue in the face because I didn't want to believe it would ever come to the point where the two guys - WEbber and Barnes - who absolutely wanted to be here the most would be traded in the biggest mockery of the century while the one who didn't want to be here, wasn't happy, pouted all the time, etc. would stay.

I still cannot believe.

And I'm still wondering how Bradley could be moved in a package deal. And I'm wondering why it can go through when it doesn't work on realGM. And I'm wondering if this all isn't a horrible bad dream and I'll wake up tomorrow.

And my deepest sympathies to Webber and the rest of the team - well, the team before tonight. What kind of message does this send to them? Work hard, try your hardest, give your all for your team and we'll pay you back by trading you mid-season with no rhyme or reason.

It's just bull****.

 

[¿¿¿]

It is actually not a salary dump? So basically they are just doing this to make Peja happy (if they really had something against each other after the playoffs last year)? Man this is some bull****.

 

[bigbadred00]

There better be a Peja + Corliss or Brian or Kenny for Pierce trade happening some time soon.

 

[¿¿¿]

This deal was Petrie's way of attempting to get Pedja to stay. It's the only thing that makes sense.


And I'm still wondering how Bradley could be moved in a package deal.


It's just bull****.

Money makes anything go...how many minutes did Bradley play anyways? The number is probably negative.

Exactly what I wanted to say VF21.

 

[SacTownKid]

Hey did it once occur to anybody that maybe Petrie did this trade b/c it makes the team better in some way!!!??? That is a strong possibility.

 

[Kingsgurl]

Peja better be ready to step into his new role of the fall guy, because all the frustration fans have vented on Chris for so long is now, finally, going to be his very own. Way to go, Peja!

 

[PT Cruiser 9ROC]

VF, I posted this in another thread. Some info that MAY clarify Bradley's involvement. I was looking for clarification as well:


The legal combining of exceptions sometimes creates the appearance of teams getting away with illegal trades. For example, as detailed in question number 84 ), when a team is over the cap and acquires a player in trade, they cannot re-trade that player in combination with other players for two months. Technically, however, this applies only to players traded together using the same exception. For example, Orlando acquired Danny Manning from Phoenix (as part of a package for Penny Hardaway) on 8/5/99. They then traded Manning and Dale Ellis to Milwaukee on 8/19/99. This trade did not violate the two-month rule because they used the assigned player exception for Manning and a traded player exception for Ellis. Since the two players were traded using different exceptions it was not a technical case of aggregation to which the two-month restriction applied, and therefore the trade was legal.

 

[SacTownKid]

There better be a Peja + Corliss or Brian or Kenny for Pierce trade happening some time soon.

Chris is gone so I think any move of Peja would be unlikely. The great debate is once and for all over, Peja is the one left standing.

 

[Gary]

Ok, good point. But trade when? The deadline is tomorrow? Does he have something else up his sleeve? This is very hard for me to believe. Is this how the Kings plan on rebuilding? By trading these scrubs? They have no value! They have long term contracts!

And we all though Webber was untradable. Nice way to welcome our new "scrubs".

All of you that belittle Petrie, and The people that Petrie is bringing in make me sick. FORSHAME!

 

[swisshh]

Yah, it's not a salary dump. It's just a dump of a trade.

 

[t5chris]

Hey did it once occur to anybody that maybe Petrie did this trade b/c it makes the team better in some way!!!??? That is a strong possibility.

C Webb is the most consistent guy on the team career-wise. He also plays with the biggest heart. 20-10-5 is what we'll be losing, not just the 2nd in the league in triple doubles. Barnes showed us he can get us a double double as well. Not sure this helps us in anyway, not even depth.

 

[KP]

This deal was Petrie's way of attempting to get Pedja to stay. It's the only thing that makes sense.

This has to be the one and only reason, we gained no flexibility or trade bait at all. We also gave up considerable talent and got virtually none in return. Did we actually give up rebounding? I can't believe they are saying on KHTK that this was to give us more room to make moves, none of these guys have expiring contracts and none of them are gonna get us anything good in return down the road. It's almost like Kobe vs. Shaq, Petrie went with the younger guy who he thought had more upside in the end, what would really make this funny is if Peja still continues to struggle and then opts out anyway. The sixers are going to make some serious noise in the east now thats for sure. I wonder what Mike is gonna say about this... I am at a loss, Unbelievable... all our hopes ride on Peja now...

 

[starks]

I hope Peja will ask for trade (again), tomorrow....he can't handle such pressure.....that will be better for both sides (kings and peja)....maybe peja and corl.wil. for odom......Thank You Chris

 

[QueensFan]

The Day After:

After reading some articles and thinking for awhile, I'm for the first time understanding SOME of the potential benefits of this deal.

I CANNOT, however, get over the salary issue. Does it drive anyone else nuts that we gave up Webber for NOTHING, literally NOTHING while the Sixers just turned around and gave Robinson's expiring contract to someone else? Drives me frickin nuts. I thought the only reason we were shopping webber was to get his big contract off the books - mission not accomplished!

 

[G_M]

The Day After:

After reading some articles and thinking for awhile, I'm for the first time understanding SOME of the potential benefits of this deal.

I CANNOT, however, get over the salary issue. Does it drive anyone else nuts that we gave up Webber for NOTHING, literally NOTHING while the Sixers just turned around and gave Robinson's expiring contract to someone else? Drives me frickin nuts. I thought the only reason we were shopping webber was to get his big contract off the books - mission not accomplished!

The hard thing about this trade is that you can't say right now that today we are a better team. However, I don't believe this trade was done to improve the team for this year. I think what Petrie meant by flexibility is the ability to trade ONE player and his salary for another player. Kenny Thomas averaged a double double at one point not long ago. He's NO Webber but if he plays well then his contract would not be impossible to move.

Webber is one bad step away from being done. To his credit he has played well and played with pain this year. But, 22 $MILLION$ in 2 years!!!! The downside given his condition and that kind of money was enormous.

Also, Philly made it known they would not dump Robinson's salary without getting an expiring contract in return(Mashburn). I've heard that initially the Kings wanted Robinson's contract but Philly simply would not do it.

 

[PFFFT!!]

Well, did you see Petries quotes? I mean "Skinner is a 3 pt defensive specialist, but has been hampered by injuries"? how about "Thomas is a offensive specialist jumpshooter"? Great, thats what we needed, more offense and jumpshooters. I really don't know what to say only wish that Sacramento had the NBA team and arena that the Spurs do.

 

[Packt]

The only way these guys have any trade value is if we package them off with another player(s); someone with value like a Bobby Jackson, or a sign and trade with Mobley in the off-season.

I look at all the trades going down and teams are swapping mediocre talent for mediocre talent, or dumping salaries, but our trade doesn't fit any where.

 

[kperica]

And I'm still wondering how Bradley could be moved in a package deal. And I'm wondering why it can go through when it doesn't work on realGM.

The bradley situation is probably some sort of strange CBA loophole. As far as the salaries - thomas has a 15% trade kicker that realgm doesn't take into account. Add 15% to his contract (a large one) and it works out.

 

[PFFFT!!]

I think Petrie is trying just too hard to make Peja happy. I think he sees a picture of himself in him in what he could have been had it not been a career ending injury. That normally plays a role in making bad decisions, even when your exec of the year. Trading an unprooven player in Bradley and a guy who worked hard for his home crowd to boot is just horrible.