Cisco fractures right forearm.

jcassio said:
I was reacting to the other two names (Udrih and Martin) in the sentence that suggested the Kings would have no defensive problems with those guys playing. I think Reke will be a good-to-great defensive player. I think Beno and Kevin are (and always will be) liabilities on the defensive end. So I thought it must be sarcasm...
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oh haha.

Im sure Martin will get better once 100 % of the scoring load is taken off of his shoulders. Hopefully this year with Tyreke helping on the offensive side martin can focus a little more on defense.
 
Reke is not a three, period. He's a bit undersized for a 2. Let alone running into LeBron, Melo etc.

And then taking our rookie PG, having him guard SFs, while teaming him with the two worst defensive players on the worst defensive team in the NBA last year? Bleak.
 
Bricklayer said:
Reke is not a three, period. He's a bit undersized for a 2. Let alone running into LeBron, Melo etc.

And then taking our rookie PG, having him guard SFs, while teaming him with the two worst defensive players on the worst defensive team in the NBA last year? Bleak.
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lol are you kidding me? hes not undersized for a 2.
hes got a 6'11 wingspan and he weighs 35 pounds more then kevin martin.
Of course he would have trouble running into Lebron or Melo.. anyone ever in the history of Nba would have trouble runniing into them.

a better comparison of Tyrekes frame would be bonzi wells who is the same height and 10 pounds less. Bonzi could guard threes easily.

Obviously Tyreke is not a 3, hes a combo guard and I want him at the 1. but judging by his physical ability and length he should be able to guard 3's if needed.
 
I don't think whether Evans can guard the 3 position or not is the question. The question is why? We have Nocioni, Mason, Greene, and Casspi. The logical thing to do would be to have Evans start as the point, and then fill in as the backup 2 with Mason also filling in at that position. And as I said, I would start Casspi at the 3 with Nocioni as the first man off the bench at that positon. I would either send Greene to the D league, or I would make him earn minutes at the Three and the four.

I, like the rest of you want the young players to get minutes. But if I already have a young player at the three taking away minutes from another young player, then he must have earned them. Then its up to the other young player to play his way back into the rotation. If at some point Greene looks like he can contribute, then I start looking to deal Nocioni, but not till Cisco is ready to come back.

Greene has to find something he's good at. Right now, nothing stands out. He's not a great shooter, or a great rebounder. He's not a great defender or a shotblocker. He's not a great ballhandler or passer. He's not terrible at any of those things, but in the NBA, you've got to be good at something. You just can't get by being a nice guy thats funny and very athletic. I'm not giving up on him, but the clock is running. We need to see some improvement somewhere. :cool:
 
Bricklayer said:
Reke is not a three, period. He's a bit undersized for a 2. Let alone running into LeBron, Melo etc.

And then taking our rookie PG, having him guard SFs, while teaming him with the two worst defensive players on the worst defensive team in the NBA last year? Bleak.
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After watching the game the other night his positon is more a 3 than a 1 or 2.

Isn't very good bringing the ball up, assist/turnover ratio is terrible. Can drive the lane, but jumper needs alot of work.

So basically he is more slasher than anything which is pretty much a typical 3.

Oh and he was less than 2 inches shorter than garcia, probably closer to an inch.
 
According to combine results, Evans is 6'4" w/o shoes.

Garcia 6'5.75"

I really have no idea why Kings are listing Evans at 6'6".
 
rhythmless said:
According to combine results, Evans is 6'4" w/o shoes.

Garcia 6'5.75"

I really have no idea why Kings are listing Evans at 6'6".
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They add the thickness of his shoes. Let's say 1.25". That was the thickness he wore at combine.

Then they round up to the nearest inch. He goes from 6'5.25" to 6'6".

Most of the NBA is around 1.7" shorter than advertised.
 
rhythmless said:
According to combine results, Evans is 6'4" w/o shoes.

Garcia 6'5.75"

I really have no idea why Kings are listing Evans at 6'6".
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Not that it means all that much, but the Kings measured Tyreke at 6'4" and "change". I don't know how much that is but it could definitely bring him closer to that 6'6" in shoes, which most all NBA heights are listed at.
 
OptimusRhyme said:
lol are you kidding me? hes not undersized for a 2.
hes got a 6'11 wingspan and he weighs 35 pounds more then kevin martin.
Of course he would have trouble running into Lebron or Melo.. anyone ever in the history of Nba would have trouble runniing into them.

a better comparison of Tyrekes frame would be bonzi wells who is the same height and 10 pounds less. Bonzi could guard threes easily.

Obviously Tyreke is not a 3, hes a combo guard and I want him at the 1. but judging by his physical ability and length he should be able to guard 3's if needed.
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Good point. I am tired of all the comparisons to our players being "what will they do against Lebron?" your right, Hell the guy is already labeled as one of the greatest player of all time and if we get a player that can't hang with lebron well then he is garbage. That is just silly.
 
Donet's Time

If Donte doesn't step up now he could end up being the worlds tallest burger flipper. With Mason, Noc,and Casspi in no particular order as competition he had better light a fire under his own butt if he is going to have a future with the Kings, or any where in the NBA for that matter.
 
I feel sorry for Cisco, but it would be a big blessing for the team not having him for some reasons already mentioned by others. I hope it would take more than the usual time for him to get back. He is not as valuable as Hawes, Thompson, Martin, and Evans anyways. The guy is so inconsistent and I am pretty sure another so-so Kings SF player can easily fill in the void he left.

We have Nocioni, Mason, Casspi, and Greene to fill in at SF, and we have Evans to take the remaining 12 to 15 minutes that Martin wouldn't be able to play at #2. What is good is we have now opened-up significant minutes at #1 for showcasing Beno and try what a pass-first point guard Rodriguez can do.

We should all remember, we only have 48 minutes of playing time for each position. It is not a that much of a big deal losing a player who is a 6th man at best.
 
Cisco was a captain. because the C is usually playing or at least in uniform, Martin and another player are going to be promoted. Martin was already co-cap, but i think it would serve the team if Thompson was given the captain badge, lit a fire under him, put soe responsibility and some flare to his game. Speaking of flare, did anyone see DIRK and the swagger he added to his game. It was the scariest thing i have seen since Lebron against the Pistons in 2007, and Shaq in his prime. If you didn't have trained eye, you couldn't tell, but i am telling you now, his team is going to make noise and i predeict at Laker/Mavs WCF.
 
bajaden said:
I don't think whether Evans can guard the 3 position or not is the question. The question is why? We have Nocioni, Mason, Greene, and Casspi. The logical thing to do would be to have Evans start as the point, and then fill in as the backup 2 with Mason also filling in at that position. And as I said, I would start Casspi at the 3 with Nocioni as the first man off the bench at that positon. I would either send Greene to the D league, or I would make him earn minutes at the Three and the four.

I, like the rest of you want the young players to get minutes. But if I already have a young player at the three taking away minutes from another young player, then he must have earned them. Then its up to the other young player to play his way back into the rotation. If at some point Greene looks like he can contribute, then I start looking to deal Nocioni, but not till Cisco is ready to come back.

Greene has to find something he's good at. Right now, nothing stands out. He's not a great shooter, or a great rebounder. He's not a great defender or a shotblocker. He's not a great ballhandler or passer. He's not terrible at any of those things, but in the NBA, you've got to be good at something. You just can't get by being a nice guy thats funny and very athletic. I'm not giving up on him, but the clock is running. We need to see some improvement somewhere. :cool:
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I agree with keeping Evans at the 1&2. There he is bigger & stronger than the competition. As a 3 he's average to undersize, and isn't a 3pt shooter like Cisco, Noc, or Omri. Infact, as a 3 he's basicly a younger Mason.

I disagree about starting Casspi. I'd love to see him succeed, but 2 preseason games is no different then the situation we had last year with Diogu. He needs to prove himself over more than 2 games. I think he needs to win the battle for backup minutes before we make him our starter. I like the idea of having a slasher like Mason at the 3. We need to change from the jumpshooting team that we have been. We gave up 20 more FT to Portland because we weren't as agressive as they were on offense. We need to put our opponents bigs in foul trouble.

Finally, I disagree about Donte. We have the coaching staff needed to train him. Including one of the best coaches from the D-League. Playing the main offensive weapon on a d-league team against inferior opponents isn't going to make him the defensive stopper that PW wants from him. I'd rather see him practice against the likes of Omri, Mason, Brockman & JT, even if he's getting limited PT.

Plus I think that the Kings will need his size before the seasons over. JT doesn't look like he's figured out how to stay out of foul trouble. And, I don't think a front court consisting of May & Brockman will work.
 
fnordius said:
They add the thickness of his shoes. Let's say 1.25". That was the thickness he wore at combine.

Then they round up to the nearest inch. He goes from 6'5.25" to 6'6".

Most of the NBA is around 1.7" shorter than advertised.
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I am fully aware of w/shoes and w/o shoes measurements, and no, they most certainly do not round up to the nearest inch.

Lets take a little look at the last draft class.

Tyler Hansbrough 6' 8.25" 6' 9.5" NBA height? 6'9"

Jordan Hill 6' 9.25" 6' 10.25" NBA height? 6'10"

James Harden 6' 4" 6' 5.25" NBA height? 6'5"

Harden is the most intriguing, because he measures out exactly the same as Evans, yet is listed at closest inch. Evans, meanwhile, is listed an inch taller, despite being the same height.

Now as for donte...

Donte Green 6' 8.25" 6' 9"

I heard that Kings are saying he grew a little, so I can't say for certain about this. But it seems the Kings are engaging in a little more "generous" estimating than they were taught to in grade school.
 
On "NBA heights," I've said this before. Having stood next to a number of NBA players (a lot of them in nightclubs!) I think I can judge heights pretty good. For example, standing next to Charles Barkley I always thought I was right at a half inch taller than him. By the same token, standing next to Reggie Theus I always thought he was a half inch taller than me. Barkley variously being listed at 6'4" or 6'5" and Theus almost always 6'7" I'm exactly 6'4.75" in bare feet. When I played basketball in high school as a 17-year-old senor I was listed at 6'4" even though I was 6'3.75" in bare feet. In college, I was listed at 6'5" and no doubt had grown a bit by age 18-19. I suppose I'm still 6'5," rounding up a tad, although I may be slowly shrinking with age:eek: I guess if I would have played in the NBA I would be listed 6'6" easily.
 
HighTopKicks said:
I agree with keeping Evans at the 1&2. There he is bigger & stronger than the competition. As a 3 he's average to undersize, and isn't a 3pt shooter like Cisco, Noc, or Omri. Infact, as a 3 he's basicly a younger Mason.

I disagree about starting Casspi. I'd love to see him succeed, but 2 preseason games is no different then the situation we had last year with Diogu. He needs to prove himself over more than 2 games. I think he needs to win the battle for backup minutes before we make him our starter. I like the idea of having a slasher like Mason at the 3. We need to change from the jumpshooting team that we have been. We gave up 20 more FT to Portland because we weren't as agressive as they were on offense. We need to put our opponents bigs in foul trouble.

Finally, I disagree about Donte. We have the coaching staff needed to train him. Including one of the best coaches from the D-League. Playing the main offensive weapon on a d-league team against inferior opponents isn't going to make him the defensive stopper that PW wants from him. I'd rather see him practice against the likes of Omri, Mason, Brockman & JT, even if he's getting limited PT.

Plus I think that the Kings will need his size before the seasons over. JT doesn't look like he's figured out how to stay out of foul trouble. And, I don't think a front court consisting of May & Brockman will work.
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I don't totally disagree with your opinion. My starting Casspi was just an idea. I didn't carve it into granite. I have no problem with Mason starting and Casspi backing him up, but I want Casspi to get minutes as long as he keeps playing the way he has.

As far as Thompsons foul troubles. Lets wait and see how he fares once the real ref's come back. Looking at the box scores around the league, it appears that the replacement ref's are having a good time blowing their whistles.
 
I was a bit angry about this training procedure being used thinking it was not practical. But then I though hey, those guys are Pro's and I'm just a Joe Sixpack.

Then I got curious and did a Google search using "physio ball weight lifting" and I got this from April 2006:

Boyle’s balanced approach centers around safety. “We used to have guys bench press on the ball with a 90-pound dumbbell in each hand. If something were to happen to that ball, things could go drastically wrong,” he says. “At that point, the risk outweighed the reward.”

Here is the source: http://magazine.stack.com/TheIssue/Article/3203/Physioball_Training.aspx

So perhaps my untrained opinion is not off base.

KB
 
One more quote from the article:

Boyle’s athletes stopped lifting weights on the balls three years ago. So now, if a ball bursts mid-exercise, the athlete only has to deal with his bodyweight. Although physioballs are guaranteed against bursting, Boyle promotes diligent ball maintenance because they do get nicked from being around a gym and they wear quickly.
 
fnordius said:
Wow.

They've generally been very consistent in rounding up in the past.

I have no clue why they seem to have abandoned their old standard in favor of something kinda random. Maybe the teams started providing the figures, or something?
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Im almost certain that the figures that NBA disperses are directly from the team's reporting. It's kind of like the DMV... they have no height measurements nor scale. You go in there, tell them you are 6'2" and 200, and that's what you are.

That's why I put the onus on the Kings; what are they trying to do? What are they trying to prove? It's kind of insulting to fans who do follow combine, and draft and the rest of the NBA. I think the lies are more to boost casual fan conversation; "hey, that new guy we got this year, he's 6'6" and our point guard. It's gonna be awesome."
 
King Baller said:
One more quote from the article:

Boyle’s athletes stopped lifting weights on the balls three years ago. So now, if a ball bursts mid-exercise, the athlete only has to deal with his bodyweight. Although physioballs are guaranteed against bursting, Boyle promotes diligent ball maintenance because they do get nicked from being around a gym and they wear quickly.
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I think what people are failing to remember is this is the Kings we're talking about. While I don't question the use of the physioball - since I've never heard of one bursting before - it would seem that if one ever WAS going to burst it would be on the grounds of the Arco complex.

Sometimes **** happens. This is one of those freak accidents you hear about that make you scratch your head. I'm not about to start criticizing the training staff or questioning their abilities because of something like that.

Not that I'm quoting you King Baller and saying that was your intent; I just know how things sometimes get twisted around.
 
everything happends for a reason and i think as much as this seems like this sucks for the kings/fans/cisco.. something very positive is going to come out of it and we will all be talking about it four months from now. Remember what happend when Bonzi went out... we found out about kevin martin.

Now that the kids (donte and omri) see that garcia will be out for a significant amount of time .. this is going to light a fire under them to earn those minutes and i betcha they will work twice as hard to improve now. I just hope they dont start off on the physioballs.:p
 
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