Great. Now when you post I'll be able to think of nothing but a chimp and a crab doing pairs figure skating in sunglasses. (Though, to be honest, it's quite an image!)
Chuck Hayes injury - the sequel
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Great. Now when you post I'll be able to think of nothing but a chimp and a crab doing pairs figure skating in sunglasses. (Though, to be honest, it's quite an image!)
Sac.1989
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Reports saying he'll be back in 3-4 weeks. I take it that their going to rehab it and perhaps consider surgery in the offseason
@Čarolija i did it playing cricket the first time and basketball twice there after. Ive regained full mobility basically but the biggest concern as a sportsman was trusting the shoulder when i returned to sport. You find yourself in basketball for instance not going for rebounds and tips leading with your left arm for fear of copping a knock which would set you back after already doing the hard hards over 6 months to get back. I seldom stretch full reach or put my arm in an 'unstable position' post surgery.
Of course this is all very different for a pro sportsman like hayes. It will take time but he will be back, the biggest concern i have is him trusting it mentally especially if he comes back and it happens again which personally i feel it very well might considering the shoulder joints makeup. Physio rehab will help ensure he feels fine and has full mobility with the major muscles holding the shoulder in place strengthened but the fact is they have been stretched and whilst it may feel fine he is at risk of doing it again.
@Čarolija i did it playing cricket the first time and basketball twice there after. Ive regained full mobility basically but the biggest concern as a sportsman was trusting the shoulder when i returned to sport. You find yourself in basketball for instance not going for rebounds and tips leading with your left arm for fear of copping a knock which would set you back after already doing the hard hards over 6 months to get back. I seldom stretch full reach or put my arm in an 'unstable position' post surgery.
Of course this is all very different for a pro sportsman like hayes. It will take time but he will be back, the biggest concern i have is him trusting it mentally especially if he comes back and it happens again which personally i feel it very well might considering the shoulder joints makeup. Physio rehab will help ensure he feels fine and has full mobility with the major muscles holding the shoulder in place strengthened but the fact is they have been stretched and whilst it may feel fine he is at risk of doing it again.
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Telemachus
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Bricklayer
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Whoa...WHA???
1st...how?
2nd...regardless of the answer to the 1st, you don't come out and admit such a thing. You disloacted it the first time in an arm wrestling contest...and still gritted out the victory! Jeesh, get it right.
ParniValjak
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I am by no means a cricket fan but I could easily seen how it can be done. Dive out at full stretch for a catch and hitting the ground and the shoulder can easily pop out. In fact many cricketers have separated their shoulder in such way. Bit bizarre but a suprisingly high occurrence rate in cricket.
ParniValjak
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I am by no means a cricket fan but I could easily seen how it can be done. Dive out at full stretch for a catch and hitting the ground and the shoulder can easily pop out. In fact many cricketers have separated their shoulder in such way. Bit bizarre but a suprisingly high occurrence rate in cricket.
See, now you have every rugby player in the nation laughing at you. Shoulda stuck to my arm wrestling story.
ParniValjak
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See, now you have every rugby player in the nation laughing at you. Shoulda stuck to my arm wrestling story.
Like I said, I am not a cricket fan, in fact find it the most boring game. I am Aussie Rules fan where the hits come hard and fast and the men don't wear any padding to protect themselves they just take it and dish it our like real men!
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SacTownKid
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Yeah, probably best to just get it corrected if you dislocate it without any major contact. I remember D. Wade having the same kind of repeated shoulder issues a few years back.
Like I said, I am not a cricket fan, in fact find it the most boring game. I am Aussie Rules fan where the hits come hard and fast and the men don't wear any padding to protect themselves they just take it and dish it our like real men!
Thats hilarious.
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IfAt1st
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Is Chuck's career done?
I'm serious - I thought I read that they're similar to concussions, where once you have them, they're easier to get.
And this is the second time where hitting his opposite shoulder has caused his other one to dislocate.
Won't this just keep happening, regardless of how much time off he takes?
Is there a surgery to help?
I'm serious - I thought I read that they're similar to concussions, where once you have them, they're easier to get.
And this is the second time where hitting his opposite shoulder has caused his other one to dislocate.
Won't this just keep happening, regardless of how much time off he takes?
Is there a surgery to help?
surgery and/or physical therapy should help. I partially dislocated my shoulder(it came out and went back in) 2 years ago grabbing a rebound from someone and 2 months of physical therapy healed it. Partially torn labrum(had three tears in it but it wasn't torn clean off the bone) and torn subscapularis tendon. Dwyane Wade did the same thing 3 or 4 years ago and they did surgery. It depends on why his shoulder's coming out also, because you can have a dislocated shoulder but the structures inside can actually still be in tact, in which case he'd just need to work on strengthening it I think. I'm not a doctor this is just combining my personal experience with what I've heard. His career will be fine, his surgery might be in jeopardy though.
I agree.
Also, Tyreke seems to gel with JT. After how they played together tonight, why not keep it rolling.
IfAt1st
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Then why has his shoulder come up repeatedly during his NBA career, when it first happened in high school football?
I mean, he hasn't even bit hit on that shoulder and it happened.... twice!
If it has come up this frequently already with the Kings, and happened in Houston (and college?), I don't understand why it wouldn't be expected to dog him the rest of his life?
I mean, he hasn't even bit hit on that shoulder and it happened.... twice!
If it has come up this frequently already with the Kings, and happened in Houston (and college?), I don't understand why it wouldn't be expected to dog him the rest of his life?
Glenn
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I presume you are presenting a worst case scenario of his past. I suspect at some time he had that shoulder dislocated which loosened the ligaments. Thats what happens with any sprain although a dislocation is a super sprain. There is probably not the kind of damage that the other poster experienced which sounded pretty awful. Now any sudden twist to his upper body and the shoulder pops out. At he least it hurts like hell. The way I was taught about injuries is that they generally take about 6 weeks to heal. The problem here and with Tyreke's ankle is that the ligaments are loose and they do not tighten as part of the healing process. Whether surgery can help, I don't know. I supect he'll just keep taking his chances but man that joint is loose. Taping it seemed like a nice try to at least support his shoulder.
I'll bet we see him back soon. It just seems to be the kind of guy he is. I'm guessing obviously.
ParniValjak
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Spot on!
Shoulder joints are tight but once they pop out, they loosen up and they keep popping out. When they pop out the pain is extreme but once they are popped back in, there is some soreness. The more they pop out the looser the joint becomes to the point that is can pop out just by raising his arm up.
However, if the surgery is needed, then the joint is tightened up and can be tighter and more robust than it was naturally. If its just a case of the joint popping out, its not too big a deal because you can't do any further damage to it, it just hurts like hell when it does pop out. If he has ripped the ligaments, then he will need a reconstruction in which case it means the season is over but certainly not the career. In fact if he does need the reconstruction, his joint will be stronger than it naturally would be.
Sac.1989
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exactly it doesnt take a big hit to pop it out again once its happened. Its why i was really suprised given that hes a forward, that we tried rehab and didnt just go straight for surgery.
No way is it career threatning in any way. Its a standard procedure and he'll come back fine next season
No way is it career threatning in any way. Its a standard procedure and he'll come back fine next season
RookieOfTheDay
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Even if it's not "career ending" per se you worry that it's the kind of thing that might keep him from being the player he could be and might keep him on the sidelines much of the time. The most concerning thing is how easily it seems like it was dislocated.
because he can just have surgery to fix it if it becomes too much of a problem.
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