Chris Kaman

I like it. He's had a lot of injury problems but he's worth taking a gamble on if you don't give up too much to get him. Only problem is he'd probably be another one year rental but Hickson and Greene probably aren't coming back anyways so it's not like you're really losing out there by trading them.
 
I like it. He's had a lot of injury problems but he's worth taking a gamble on if you don't give up too much to get him. Only problem is he'd probably be another one year rental but Hickson and Greene probably aren't coming back anyways so it's not like you're really losing out there by trading them.

tha'ts what I am thinking. Maloofs broke *** will prob never make a move that makes sense though.
 
Here's the thing you are probably not taking into account: Kaman is a $14mil ending contract. Now because its the Hornets, and Stern intentionally took that giant ending contract to try to help them shrink payroll and look attractive a buyer, I don't think the Hornets are going to be looking to use him the way big enders are normally used -- as a way to get other teams to give you talent in exchange for taking their longeterm contracts. The Hornets won't take those contracts back. But it still has consequences for the team on the other end, namely us.

First, you have to talk our broke owners into taking $14mil worth fo salary onto their roster with limited setoffs going back the other way because the Hornets don;t want contracts. Then you have to take into account whether the guy is even going to stay after the end of the year, meaning any assets you used to get him have been wasted.

Meanwhile, while there have been times I like dthe idea of lookign into him, he;s more offensive player than defender, like Cousins he has quick feet for his size, but he's no perimeter defender, so not sure how well he works wiht Cousins anyway. Our coach, somewhat paradoxically complains about having o backup center, but also claims he wants to run all the time, whihc is hard to do wiht big centers, let alone two of them starting next to each other. Adn Kaman cbecomes another shot hungry mouth up there. More Hickson in approach than Jason Thompson.
 
Here's the thing you are probably not taking into account: Kaman is a $14mil ending contract. Now because its the Hornets, and Stern intentionally took that giant ending contract to try to help them shrink payroll and look attractive a buyer, I don't think the Hornets are going to be looking to use him the way big enders are normally used -- as a way to get other teams to give you talent in exchange for taking their longeterm contracts. The Hornets won't take those contracts back. But it still has consequences for the team on the other end, namely us.

First, you have to talk our broke owners into taking $14mil worth fo salary onto their roster with limited setoffs going back the other way because the Hornets don;t want contracts. Then you have to take into account whether the guy is even going to stay after the end of the year, meaning any assets you used to get him have been wasted.

Meanwhile, while there have been times I like dthe idea of lookign into him, he;s more offensive player than defender, like Cousins he has quick feet for his size, but he's no perimeter defender, so not sure how well he works wiht Cousins anyway. Our coach, somewhat paradoxically complains about having o backup center, but also claims he wants to run all the time, whihc is hard to do wiht big centers, let alone two of them starting next to each other. Adn Kaman cbecomes another shot hungry mouth up there. More Hickson in approach than Jason Thompson.

The Kings need to do something though. If they made a move for Kaman at least it would validate the "we have cap space and we're going to spend it" talk. So what if it's 14$ million, don't care. It's time for them do something and no one said it was gonna be cheap. It's only for one year so there's no long term risk. The upside could be pretty good though if he gelled with the team. Basically though, half the reason you do is just for good PR with your fans. Fans are disgusted and fed up right now, they just want to see some type of move that at least shows you're TRYING to get better.
 
The Kings need to do something though. If they made a move for Kaman at least it would validate the "we have cap space and we're going to spend it" talk. So what if it's 14$ million, don't care. It's time for them do something and no one said it was gonna be cheap. It's only for one year so there's no long term risk. The upside could be pretty good though if he gelled with the team. Basically though, half the reason you do is just for good PR with your fans. Fans are disgusted and fed up right now, they just want to see some type of move that at least shows you're TRYING to get better.

Always easier to spend somebody else's $14mil. I doubt Geoff has such freedom.
 
Maloofs do not do this. And make no mistake, every move where $$$ are spent are cleared through the Maloofs.

KB

That's the problem our owner's don't have money to make the team matter. its devastating as a fan. but I think hornets might do it for JJ and Greene. they are expiring as well.
 
You know who the Hornets really need? John Salmons.

I know you're being sarcastic, but I can't help but say Stern isn't as dumb as Petrie. In fact, the one time laughing stock of this forum, Kahn, is looking quite a bit more competent these days than our own Petrie.

I wouldn't be surprised if the tables have turned, and Petrie is now a source of laughter for Minn fans. Oh how the mighty have fallen. I'm depressed just typing that.
 
Always easier to spend somebody else's $14mil. I doubt Geoff has such freedom.

Aren't we kind of forgetting something though? He kind of did offer 14 million and more really to both Crawford and AK47. They offered 6+ million to Crawford and the numbers we were hearing for AK were all the way up to 9 million a year. They didn't waste that money after both situations didn't materialize and a good thing to, it would have been a waste of true flexibility. Not that Kenny Thomas, Brian Skinner, Corliss Williamson flexibility either, the real deal.

As for Kaman, wouldn't hate it, but I don't think he'd settle for a long term backup role. That and the Kings have nothing to offer unless they would want JT or JJ.
 
First of all, Stern is no dummy, he is not going to give away Kaman. He wants something valuable in return, likely a good young player or two. May still want to shed some salary but I think getting young talent in return trumps everything.

Second, there is no reason to think Maloofs is this penny pinchy. They lost a lot of money, sure, but they're still multi-millionaire the last time I check. They can afford to pay $14 million for a former All-Star, just like they could afford to make a rich offer to AK-47. I think if the FO likes Kaman (and there's a big IF), the Maloofs will be on board too.

Third, there will be a lot of interest around the league. Basically any team getting by with a scrub center wants Kaman. And why wouldn't they? Even as a one-year rental, Kaman can help a team get over the hump. If the Kings want him, I suspect there will be stiff competition.

Fourth, assuming the Hornets don't want Salmons or Garcia and the Kings must keep Tyreke, Cousins, and Jimmer; it looks like the Kings have to trade away at least three young players to make the salary works, which according to ESPN's trade machine, has to total at least $7 millions out going for the Kings to take on Kaman's contract. Assuming ESPN is correct, not sure I want to abandon so many young pieces for a potentially short term rental. But if Kaman can be resigned somehow, it's probably worth it.
 
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Backup role? I was thinking Him and Cuz play together.


THat's the problem, they probably can't. You're asking DeMarcus to run around the perimeter chasing smaller PFs in that scenario. The nice thing about the Daly pairing was that Daly could take care of those duties against more atheltic guys. Now I actually DO lie the idea of DeMarcus playing against PFs on offense -- whenever he gets a smaller guy on him he just overehlwms him, and he doesn't like great length against him. But on defense...


P.S. SactownKid you make a good point about there being SOME amount of money we were willing to spend above what we ended up doing. But the number may very well be no more than half of Kamn's contract, and selling the Maloofs on blowing that kind of cash on a non-impact player they may have for 3 months is...daunting. Its a big enough numer it could singlehenadedly turn the franchise from a small money-earner to a money loser for them.
 
Okafor is the NO guy I was hoping would get shopped. Overpaid but the style we need. Looks like they probably keep him while shipping Kaman, but who knows.

Hickson/Salmons or Garcia for Okafor? They save money and get a young, cheap big coming into RFA. We get our steady vet big shotblocking rebounder, albeit overpaid.
 
Brick, on the general idea of having a defensive center with agility to chase the quick PFs, I agree wholeheartedly. But if none is available, should we pass on a type of guy that would make us a bit thugish in the middle? This, especially after having 92 points scored on us in the paint. It isn't the quick PFs that are killing us but everyone else who wants to saunter into the paint. I would take anyone who had no choice about coming here (read FA) if it helped our paint defense in some fashion.
 
I assume Kaman's $14 million would be prorated by however many games are left, so if we got him now we'd be paying about 2/3 his salary or $9 million? We know the Maloofs are poor so it's unlikely. He'd be more appealing if we needed an ending contract but we really need talent for the future so I don't see us getting him.
 
. First, you have to talk our broke owners into taking $14mil worth fo salary onto their roster with limited setoffs going back the other way because the Hornets don;t want contracts. Then you have to take into account whether the guy is even going to stay after the end of the year, meaning any assets you used to get him have been wasted..

Sort of like Hawes for Dalembert? Sounds exactly like something the Magoofs would do....
 
I assume Kaman's $14 million would be prorated by however many games are left, so if we got him now we'd be paying about 2/3 his salary or $9 million? We know the Maloofs are poor so it's unlikely. He'd be more appealing if we needed an ending contract but we really need talent for the future so I don't see us getting him.

Closer to half than 2/3. The players didn't make up salary they lost during the lockout.
 
THat's the problem, they probably can't. You're asking DeMarcus to run around the perimeter chasing smaller PFs in that scenario. The nice thing about the Daly pairing was that Daly could take care of those duties against more atheltic guys. Now I actually DO lie the idea of DeMarcus playing against PFs on offense -- whenever he gets a smaller guy on him he just overehlwms him, and he doesn't like great length against him. But on defense...


P.S. SactownKid you make a good point about there being SOME amount of money we were willing to spend above what we ended up doing. But the number may very well be no more than half of Kamn's contract, and selling the Maloofs on blowing that kind of cash on a non-impact player they may have for 3 months is...daunting. Its a big enough numer it could singlehenadedly turn the franchise from a small money-earner to a money loser for them.

That's not really what happened most games. I re-watched a ton of games from last year and it was Cousins that took on that duty most games and it's why I didn't like the idea of Daly and Cuz out there together long term. Like I've said before it could have been Daly's bum knee slowing him down but in a lot of the games I watched you had Cousins picking up a lot of the slack in the individual matchup department. He did pretty well but clearly looked out of sorts guarding Griffin, Josh Smith, and some of the more athletic PF's. Offensively it did help, but I think Cousins has an offensive mismatch on both C's or PF's. He's too quick for big C's and too big for PF's.
 
THat's the problem, they probably can't. You're asking DeMarcus to run around the perimeter chasing smaller PFs in that scenario. The nice thing about the Daly pairing was that Daly could take care of those duties against more atheltic guys. Now I actually DO lie the idea of DeMarcus playing against PFs on offense -- whenever he gets a smaller guy on him he just overehlwms him, and he doesn't like great length against him. But on defense...

And that is precisely the thing people keep forgetting here. Not every defensive big can play with Cousins at the same time. They actually need to be able to match up on PFs defensively and that was what Dalembert is able to do. Last year he played on and did a great defensive job on players like Aldrigde, Amare...even Dirk! There is no way Cousins or Kaman could match up on these guys on the perimeter...they would get eaten alive.

That's what was so great about Cousins-Dalembert pairing. They played well together both defensively and offensively precisely because Dalembert was able to match up on both Cs and PFs on a nightly basis. We had a defender who would pick up the opposition's best frontcourt player and "protect" Cousins defensively and let him go to work on things he does best.

There is maybe 2 or 3 big men in the league who would fit in that well with Cousins and one of those is Dalembert.
 
I know you're being sarcastic, but I can't help but say Stern isn't as dumb as Petrie. In fact, the one time laughing stock of this forum, Kahn, is looking quite a bit more competent these days than our own Petrie.

I wouldn't be surprised if the tables have turned, and Petrie is now a source of laughter for Minn fans. Oh how the mighty have fallen. I'm depressed just typing that
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I've thought the same thing. Petrie is the new introverted form of Kahn.
 
I've thought the same thing. Petrie is the new introverted form of Kahn.

Yeah and this REALLY sucks! I've been waiting patiently for Petrie to do something positive...but now I'm not as patient, having seen current product we have on the floor...injuries or not, I don't feel good about it even when 100% healthy. We need to get another solid veteran or two.
 
I've thought the same thing. Petrie is the new introverted form of Kahn.

Not to toot my own horn here but last year, numerous times, I said that Kahn was building a good team and that the Wolves would be better than the Kings. Needless to say, I was laughed at and dismissed more than once. I just "didn't know basketball", lol. Sheople were too busy dissing Kahn to see the truth about their own team.
 
Not to toot my own horn here but last year, numerous times, I said that Kahn was building a good team and that the Wolves would be better than the Kings. Needless to say, I was laughed at and dismissed more than once. I just "didn't know basketball", lol. Sheople were too busy dissing Kahn to see the truth about their own team.

Kahn has put some nice pieces together. But he also drafted johnny flynn and Ty lawson the same year they drafted Rubio. Flynn is a scrub and they traded Lawson away for a future pick. Think about how they would be if theyd have drafted a sg to put next to rubio or something. Ya, they drafted some good pieces over the years, but when you have enough tries in the first round, your bound to get lucky here and there. Theyre over paying Milicic and not grooming Wes Johnson or Derrick williams to play at their full potential. i'm not gonna give Kahn ANY praise just yet. If we had had the same amount of low first round draft picks as they have had, i think Petrie would have made some smarter moves than Kahn did.
 
Always easier to spend somebody else's $14mil. I doubt Geoff has such freedom.

And if that is the case, you really wonder whether the Kings are going to be unable to resign Tyreke and Cousins in the future. Are we all just singing ourselves a song as the Titanic slowly but surely goes down?
 
And if that is the case, you really wonder whether the Kings are going to be unable to resign Tyreke and Cousins in the future. Are we all just singing ourselves a song as the Titanic slowly but surely goes down?

In out case it'd be more like singing ourselves a song as The Minnow goes down.
 
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