Chris bosh trade

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I dont think chris bosh is gonna stay in Toronto, beno and andres for Cb4 straight up works as far as the cap and all goes, if thats not enough we throw in jt our the houston pick. I never really understood why some people dont wanna trade a maybe for a sure thing, i take the proven talent over the he could be this and that, jt is a hard nose player whick i like but him over cb4, do u even have to think about it.

proj lineup
pg.. whoever we draft rubio, teauge, mills etc etc ..solomon
sg kmart
sf garcia greene
pf cb4.. who will habe to become cb44 our sumnthin
c spencer

what yah think???
 
I'm gonna keep my hatin down on your deal and your post to a minimum....

But Toronto will not take andres and beno for Bosh, this isn't NBA live 09...

They will want youth + draft picks... You will need to put together something like JT + Houston's and build around that if you want a starting spot (and chances are they want NOTHING to do with Beno after taking Banks back). You might be able to get them to go for a JT + Houston 1st + KT which is a pretty fair package for Bosh's talent (Gets them youth/prospect + Draft pick + expiring)
 
well is does say in there that if they dont go for that invlove jt our the houston pick, not our pick though. i was looking into the contracts they matched up, we always trade something for nothing whos to say someone else doesnt, but like i said if they dont go for that jt and that houston pick they can have.
 
Nighthawk1 said:
I'm gonna keep my hatin down on your deal and your post to a minimum....

But Toronto will not take andres and beno for Bosh, this isn't NBA live 09...

They will want youth + draft picks... You will need to put together something like JT + Houston's and build around that if you want a starting spot (and chances are they want NOTHING to do with Beno after taking Banks back). You might be able to get them to go for a JT + Houston 1st + KT which is a pretty fair package for Bosh's talent (Gets them youth/prospect + Draft pick + expiring)
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nba live is horribile, all about that 2k9
 
bosh wants to win... and why give up too soon on JT?

if bosh plays here and he walks.... were pretty much screwed.. we could have at least gotten 2 first rounders and JT... id shop beno on other teams for enders...

in my opinion our houston first rounder and 2nd round pick ought to be traded up for a top 11-15th pick.... that could help
 
I don't think the Raptors will want our two worst contracts for their All-Star, especially after just dumping O'Neil for Marion's expiring.

I like Bosh and think he would be a solid keystone to the rebuild, but I think it's going to take more than many of us would initially be willing to give up to put him in a Kings uniform.
 
bosh, martin, spencer, sisco is a team that could compete. Jt is a hardnose player i love the hustle, but really is he gonna be better then cb4, dont think so....

if we cud find a way to get george hill from the spurs id like that.
 
Löwenherz said:
I don't think the Raptors will want our two worst contracts for their All-Star, especially after just dumping O'Neil for Marion's expiring.

I like Bosh and think he would be a solid keystone to the rebuild, but I think it's going to take more than many of us would initially be willing to give up to put him in a Kings uniform.
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I did mention the houston pick and jt
 
im gonna say it even though i know there will be backlash, hay they can have kmart for cb4, kmart is a very good scorer, but he cannot create his own shot, how many times this year have we seen an iso for him at the top, and we dont even get a shot up. he gets blocked , shoots an airball or turns it over, i wudda kept john salmons over him. i dont mind kmart hes jus not the player to give u the clutch hoop, we need a #1 so he can be the #2 where he feels more comfortable.
 
There was a pretty in-depth discussion very similar to this just a few days back:

http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31129

As Beb0p mentioned, "The going rate for an all-star is a high pick + a useful and relatively young vet + expiring." And I find that fairly accurate.

To offer JT OR the mid-round Houston pick along with a pair of contracts the Raptors would like to avoid is low-balling them at best.
 
CaAllDay said:
im gonna say it even though i know there will be backlash, hay they can have kmart for cb4, kmart is a very good scorer, but he cannot create his own shot, how many times this year have we seen an iso for him at the top, and we dont even get a shot up. he gets blocked , shoots an airball or turns it over, i wudda kept john salmons over him. i dont mind kmart hes jus not the player to give u the clutch hoop, we need a #1 so he can be the #2 where he feels more comfortable.
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I dont know what video game is good lol, but it was one of those video game type trades... KMart for Bosh or Amare for that fact always has my interest
 
I am not going to waste paying $15M ( plus lose a very promising young BIG in JT ) for a young veteran power forward who will fail this year to make his team go to the playoffs. If he cannot do it in Toronto, most likely he will also fail here in Sacramento with the kind of players we have for now. I think Chris Bosh is good, but not that good "yet" to make our team a contending team. Chris Bosh is simply far from being a Chris Webber.

I would rather wait for another 2-3 years and have fun watching how Thompson, Hawes, Greene, and our draftee ( may it be Thabeet, Rubio, or Griffin ) develop first before taking such a big move of getting another expensive player.

But if the over-rated, over-payed, and one-dimensional player ( no defense ) Martin will be the key player in exchange for Bosh, by all means I'll go for the trade.
 
toronto would do it for the right price but is it worth it for us? say we trade our pick or thompson for bosh will he make us that much better? i dont know, we would still need a pg... beno is trash...
 
Look, you want Chris Bosh? Then you give up Jason Thompson. That simple. And this summer it is something I would seriously look at. I like Jason -- I'm so glad we finally have a full sized young big in there. But Bosh is a major star at the position and he's only 2 years older than Jason.

The package I would offer both Toronto & Phoenix over the summer is:

Kenny Thomas $8.5mil (ender)
Jason Thompson $2mil
Beno Udrih $6.1mil
2010 1st round draft pick
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$16.6mil

for
Chris Bosh $15.8 mil
or
Amare Stoudemire $16.3mil

And that still may not get it done. Beno might be too big of a posion pill. But its got all the hallmarks -- young replacement player, draft pick, financial relief. And there is some reason to beleive even Beno might be abel to be included in those type deals -- there are rumors Sarver may void Nash's contract this offseason to save money next year, and Beno could be a cheap fill in solution for the ultimate cheap owner. And Brian Colangelo has always seemed as much interested in assembling the Euro All-Stars up in Toronto as in actually winning, and about now may be seriously missing the two PG set he was able to run with Ford in town.


then add FA, add 3 draft picks (botht the FA and trhe draft picks will have ot included a PG and a bunch of guys who can defend), and give it a go. Actually there is one more highly controversial thing I would consider, but that is a theme for another thread.
 
^^^ i agree with brick on this one. both teams could go for it especially since neither amare or bosh could lead their current teams to the playoffs. phx and tor dont have the leverage to ask for this year pick. if they had made the playoffs i could see this as a difficult deal.
 
Bricklayer said:
Look, you want Chris Bosh? Then you give up Jason Thompson. That simple. And this summer it is something I would seriously look at. I like Jason -- I'm so glad we finally have a full sized young big in there. But Bosh is a major star at the position and he's only 2 years older than Jason.

The package I would offer both Toronto & Phoenix over the summer is:

Kenny Thomas $8.5mil (ender)
Jason Thompson $2mil
Beno Udrih $6.1mil
2010 1st round draft pick
-------------------------
$16.6mil

for
Chris Bosh $15.8 mil
or
Amare Stoudemire $16.3mil

And that still may not get it done. Beno might be too big of a posion pill. But its got all the hallmarks -- young replacement player, draft pick, financial relief. And there is some reason to beleive even Beno might be abel to be included in those type deals -- there are rumors Sarver may void Nash's contract this offseason to save money next year, and Beno could be a cheap fill in solution for the ultimate cheap owner. And Brian Colangelo has always seemed as much interested in assembling the Euro All-Stars up in Toronto as in actually winning, and about now may be seriously missing the two PG set he was able to run with Ford in town.


then add FA, add 3 draft picks (botht the FA and trhe draft picks will have ot included a PG and a bunch of guys who can defend), and give it a go. Actually there is one more highly controversial thing I would consider, but that is a theme for another thread.
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And where do I sign on those deals?!

I would do them under one condition, that the star we are getting back (Bosh or Amare) sign an extension so we avoid the speculation that they leave via the FA.

I would be happy with either deal but would prefer Bosh to Amare.
 
Bricklayer said:
Look, you want Chris Bosh? Then you give up Jason Thompson. That simple. And this summer it is something I would seriously look at. I like Jason -- I'm so glad we finally have a full sized young big in there. But Bosh is a major star at the position and he's only 2 years older than Jason.

The package I would offer both Toronto & Phoenix over the summer is:

Kenny Thomas $8.5mil (ender)
Jason Thompson $2mil
Beno Udrih $6.1mil
2010 1st round draft pick
-------------------------
$16.6mil

for
Chris Bosh $15.8 mil
or
Amare Stoudemire $16.3mil

And that still may not get it done. Beno might be too big of a posion pill. But its got all the hallmarks -- young replacement player, draft pick, financial relief. And there is some reason to beleive even Beno might be abel to be included in those type deals -- there are rumors Sarver may void Nash's contract this offseason to save money next year, and Beno could be a cheap fill in solution for the ultimate cheap owner. And Brian Colangelo has always seemed as much interested in assembling the Euro All-Stars up in Toronto as in actually winning, and about now may be seriously missing the two PG set he was able to run with Ford in town.


then add FA, add 3 draft picks (botht the FA and trhe draft picks will have ot included a PG and a bunch of guys who can defend), and give it a go. Actually there is one more highly controversial thing I would consider, but that is a theme for another thread.
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I feel compelled to hazard a guess.:)

Might it be a trade whose principle pieces are the draft rights of a certain 7"3 Tasmanian center, and Kevin Martin?;) Come to think of it, OKC is soon to be well under the cap and has need at the SG position.:eek:


Question: About what percentage chance do you give us in resigning either Bosh or Amare? I seem to recall Amare's agent issuing warnings that his client wouldn't resign with certain teams. I daresay the Kings are one of those teams. If it comes down to it, should the Kings organization call his (Or Bosh's potentially) bluff as they did with C-Webb all those years ago?
 
Personally, I'm for sitting on what we have and seeing how it turns out. Bosh is a very good player, but he's not a superstar. He's not a player that can put a team on his back and carry it all by himself. I've watched Wade do it time and time again this year. God knows how good the Heat could be if they just had a few more pieces

This is by no means a knock on Bosh. I'm just trying to put him in prospective. He's a good, but not great rebounder. He's only averaged double digit rebounds once in his career. He's only a decent shot blocker, averaging a little over one block a game and thats because he was a better shot blocker his first two years in the league. He's a consistant scorer averaging around 22 pts a game his last three years in the league. I'm not counting any of this years stats.

Thompson could end up being better than Bosh, or maybe just as good and two years younger. Yeah, I know its a maybe, but his stats are just about as good as Bosh's in his first year, and Bosh averaged more minutes a game. Maybe I'm just conservative, but I think this is the time to be patient. Don't get me wrong. If Orlando wants to trade Howard for Thompson and a couple of picks + KT's expiring, count me in. But if its not a no brainer, I would just rather see how our own big's develop.
 
bajaden said:
Personally, I'm for sitting on what we have and seeing how it turns out. Bosh is a very good player, but he's not a superstar. He's not a player that can put a team on his back and carry it all by himself. I've watched Wade do it time and time again this year. God knows how good the Heat could be if they just had a few more pieces

This is by no means a knock on Bosh. I'm just trying to put him in prospective. He's a good, but not great rebounder. He's only averaged double digit rebounds once in his career. He's only a decent shot blocker, averaging a little over one block a game and thats because he was a better shot blocker his first two years in the league. He's a consistant scorer averaging around 22 pts a game his last three years in the league. I'm not counting any of this years stats.

Thompson could end up being better than Bosh, or maybe just as good and two years younger. Yeah, I know its a maybe, but his stats are just about as good as Bosh's in his first year, and Bosh averaged more minutes a game. Maybe I'm just conservative, but I think this is the time to be patient. Don't get me wrong. If Orlando wants to trade Howard for Thompson and a couple of picks + KT's expiring, count me in. But if its not a no brainer, I would just rather see how our own big's develop.
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Bosh was 19 when he was putting up Thomspon numbers. Big difference. Huge difference.

Jason's absolute high end is to one day be Chris Bosh. That's pie in the sky 1 in 100 top end. And given that sort of high end, those sorts fo odds, I'll take the real deal. Not the superstar we likely need in the end, but then again, neither is Jason. And even if you want to play the superstar game, Bosh is more likely to net him than any combination of lesser lights.
 
Bricklayer said:
Bosh was 19 when he was putting up Thomspon numbers. Big difference. Huge difference.

Jason's absolute high end is to one day be Chris Bosh. That's pie in the sky 1 in 100 top end. And given that sort of high end, those sorts fo odds, I'll take the real deal. Not the superstar we likely need in the end, but then again, neither is Jason. And even if you want to play the superstar game, Bosh is more likely to net him than any combination of lesser lights.
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I would absolutely trade JT + expirings for Bosh strait up, but that scenario just isn't going to happen. If the Raptors wanted to move Bosh, they are going to want more than just JT and filler. It'd probably have to be something along of the lines of JT + Greene + expirings and a pick swap (and that's assuming we get a top 2 pick), in which case, I'm much less happy with the deal. I just don't see Toronto trading their young superstar big man for our young big man who may end up being as good some day without other major assets coming from our end. Also consider the fact that, if we let our expirings, well, expire, we get cap relief for the upcoming offseason(s). The only way that Toronto would go for just JT + Expirings is if Bosh demanded a trade (threated to walk), but in that case, he's not going to want to come to Sacramento.

At the end of the day, JT, another promising youngster, our cap space, and trading down in a 2 player draft just isn't worth Bosh, in my opinion. If we really want a Bosh level big man so badly, draft Griffin and play the odds that one of Griffin, Thompson, or Hawes becomes that level of player (which isn't so far fetched). That way, you can always trade the superfluous player(s) for someone else later on.
 
If we DO in fact trade for Bosh, he is going to head for FA in 010 anyways. So, we would be trading our nice young PF for basically a year of Bosh.

No thanks.
 
kingsnation said:
If we DO in fact trade for Bosh, he is going to head for FA in 010 anyways. So, we would be trading our nice young PF for basically a year of Bosh.

No thanks.
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Sine you are that good at predicting the future, can you also tell me what the lotto numbers will be for saturday's draw?!
 
Čarolija said:
Sine you are that good at predicting the future, can you also tell me what the lotto numbers will be for saturday's draw?!
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The whole point of the Raptors trading Bosh is because that team is not very good and Bosh will walk away from such a team.

If the Kings get Bosh will the Kings turn into a good enough team to keep Bosh around? That is a legit question because if we miss the playoff in 09-10 then Bosh will probably walk away from Sacto. That's not just predicting the future, it's common sense: if the Toronto trades Bosh, they know that Bosh will walk, hence whoever gets him better be a contending team after Bosh arrives.
 
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