Charley Rosen: Which team got the better of Artest deal?

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http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/5279204
Charley Rosen / Special to FOXSports.com
Posted: 5 hours ago

What remains is a careful inspection of what each team has gained and lost.

Indiana

The Pacers lose a migraine headache.
In Peja Stojakovic, the Pacers gain a streaky shooter who will serve several purposes: If Stojakovic can make adequate entry passes into Jermaine O'Neal (once O'Neal returns from his groin injury), opponents' double-teams will have to come from elsewhere. This means that the two-timers will necessarily have to travel longer distances than the few strides separating the passer from the receiver, thereby giving O'Neal an extra beat in which to work his mojo. The corollary to this is that any time O'Neal makes a pass back out to the perimeter, the defense will have to scramble with exquisite speed and coordination in order to recover.


At 6-foot-9, Stojakovic also has the size and the fall-back jumper to be effective against most small forwards. He likewise has the potential to bail out the often sluggish Pacer offense. In addition, Peja's ability to make swift and timely off-the-ball cuts will enable O'Neal to spend more time at the high post and will put some more pizzazz in Indiana's stodgy, predictable offense.


Not to be undervalued is Stojakovic's presence in the locker room. Substituting his soft-spoken, albeit sometimes poutish, manner for Ron Artest's frenetic selfishness will go a long way to creating a more harmonious atmosphere.


On the flip side, Peja's marshmallow defense is the antithesis of the rugged point-stopping game plan that Rick Carlisle preaches so intensely. Stojakovic's overall softness will dramatically change the character of the team and put more pressure on everyone else to play tougher than ever and to execute their defensive rotations with improved efficiency — all the while patting their new savior on the back every time his man misses a shot.


Speaking of which, thus far in his otherwise notable career, Peja has shown a marked propensity for missing shots in clutch situations — especially in the playoffs.
So, the Pacers are much softer on "D," more explosive on offense and much happier campers all around. Until Stojakovic starts shooting blanks when his sharp-shooting is most desperately needed. All in all, Peja in a Pacers uniform is much better than Artest on the bench in civilian clothes. This move is simply addition by addition.

Sacramento

The Kings lose a chronic choker and malcontent.

Of course, the abiding question for Sacramento is this: Which Artest will show up? The fierce competitor who can shut down most wing scorers, or the trouble-making, out-of-control loony?
If the good Artest takes the court, then the semi-soft Kings will get the shot of he-man toughness that they've lacked for so many seasons. Doug Christie, at his peak, was a crafty, hustling defensive King, but Artest can be a hard-nosed, bone-on-bone defensive ace. If such is the case, Artest's intensity will be contagious, and the Kings' meow will turn into a roar. Perhaps they can even make enough noise to rouse themselves into the playoffs.


The good Artest can score as well as defend. He's a rapidly improving 3-ball stroker. He can post with enough aggression to intimidate lesser mortals. And he drives to the rack like a fullback headed for the goal line. However, even the good Artest will turn bad in a hurry if he fails to get enough touches — an entirely subjective number that he, and he alone, will name.

And here's another "however" — the league's referees will keep even the good Artest on a short leash. Should he react to any calls that go against him with anything but smiles and a happy face, he's liable to be hit with a T. Any foul he commits in which he doesn't touch the ball is liable to be labeled flagrant. All this because, despite any disclaimers to the contrary, the NBA's corps of blind mice simply detest Artest, good or bad.
Should the bad Artest step on to the floorboards at the ARCO Arena, the brothers Maloof are advised to batten down the hatches, put guards around the TV cameras and enclose the court inside a wire-mesh cage as in days of old.


Indeed, the bad Artest could easily be so disagreeable, and even so dangerous, as to topple the entire franchise and send the Maloofs scurrying to greener pastures. Las Vegas anyone?
Hmmm. Could the brothers "M" be so devious as to have arranged the trade for just this event?
In any event, Artest's sheer competitiveness will insure his good behavior at least for the short term. After all, the guy does love to play, something that he hasn't done much of in the past 14 months. At the same time, he is stubborn and impulsive.


There are plenty of ifs and buts on both sides of this equation. Yet one eternal marketplace truth will haunt the destiny of the Kings and the Pacers: Caveat emptor, or more plainly ... buyer beware!
 
"chronic choker and malcontent"? I was never a Peja fan but this is not a good characterization I don't think. I would call Peja 100 mean things before I'd call him a malcontent.

And worry about Artest protesting calls from refs? Artest will have to do a lot before he cracks the King's top 10 whiners about calls from the refs.

Part of a Maloof conspiracy to move the team? I thought only weirded out internet geeks with no lives believed in bizarre theories like that - not professional journalists.

Pretty bad article.
 
Francisco d'Anconia said:
"chronic choker and malcontent"? I was never a Peja fan but this is not a good characterization I don't think. I would call Peja 100 mean things before I'd call him a malcontent.

And worry about Artest protesting calls from refs? Artest will have to do a lot before he cracks the King's top 10 whiners about calls from the refs.

Part of a Maloof conspiracy to move the team? I thought only weirded out internet geeks with no lives believed in bizarre theories like that - not professional journalists.

Pretty bad article.

Well let's see, he asked for a trade last year and has been a shell of his former self ever since.

What's to praise??
 
Team Dime said:
Well let's see, he asked for a trade last year and has been a shell of his former self ever since.

What's to praise??

And that makes a malcontent? I guess 50% of NBA players are malcontents :eek:
 
DeAtHrOw said:
And that makes a malcontent? I guess 50% of NBA players are malcontents :eek:

Try watching some Kings games. The guy doesn't try his best period. He's 6'10" but you'd never know it. He doesn't try to rebound, won't hustle or dive for loose balls, and his best asset his shooting; always disappears in the 4th quarter and has been terribly inconsistent all year (40%).

The team was his for the taking. They said his precious feelings were hurt by CWEbb; WEbb gets traded, yet Peja refuses to step up to be the man
(actually I apologize to all men for using Peja and man in the same sentence). Now he's in a contract year yet continues his horribly inconsistent and disinterested play after only a year from saying he wanted to be traded which I think is something he never changed his mind about; it's been very evident in his lackadaisical play.
 
Team Dime said:
Try watching some Kings games. The guy doesn't try his best period. He's 6'10" but you'd never know it. He doesn't try to rebound, won't hustle or dive for loose balls, and his best asset his shooting; always disappears in the 4th quarter and has been terribly inconsistent all year (40%).

The team was his for the taking. They said his precious feelings were hurt by CWEbb; WEbb gets traded, yet Peja refuses to step up to be the man
(actually I apologize to all men for using Peja and man in the same sentence). Now he's in a contract year yet continues his horribly inconsistent and disinterested play after only a year from saying he wanted to be traded which I think is something he never changed his mind about; it's been very evident in his lackadaisical play.

NEWSFLASH...Peja is no longer on the team. Peja never wanted to be a leader. Mike proclaimed himself as the leader of team on Webber was gone.

You really need to get off his back considering he is not even with the team anymore.
 
what's weird is that there are a couple hundred words in these posts replying to this thread started by king kong. not one sentence is about the actual topic.

the kings got the better end of the deal.
 
DeAtHrOw said:
NEWSFLASH...Peja is no longer on the team. Peja never wanted to be a leader. Mike proclaimed himself as the leader of team on Webber was gone.

You really need to get off his back considering he is not even with the team anymore.

Thank god he's not on the team anymore! The team was going nowhere with him, they have a chance to make the playoffs with Ron Ron and it's all because of his DEFENSE.

Get off Peja's back? Hey, you're the one defending him at all costs.

I'm just happy he's gone, that Petrie didn't give him an undeserved big contract and that he didn't walk for nothing.

Instead we got a nutcase who can be one of the top 5 players in the game.

Newsflash: the team is in last place, they've got nothing to lose, why not try it on a guy who's got 2 years left for about $6.5 million? If it doesn't work, then just trade him, there will ALWAYS be someone interested in a guy with his talent. Even TO has teams after him right now.
 
Team Dime said:
Thank god he's not on the team anymore! The team was going nowhere with him, they have a chance to make the playoffs with Ron Ron and it's all because of his DEFENSE.

Get off Peja's back? Hey, you're the one defending him at all costs.

I'm just happy he's gone, that Petrie didn't give him an undeserved big contract and that he didn't walk for nothing.

Instead we got a nutcase who can be one of the top 5 players in the game.

Newsflash: the team is in last place, they've got nothing to lose, why not try it on a guy who's got 2 years left for about $6.5 million? If it doesn't work, then just trade him, there will ALWAYS be someone interested in a guy with his talent. Even TO has teams after him right now.

Agreed. Maybe Artest can defend the opposing PG too considering Mike could not stop my grandma.
 
I think it's too early to tell. IF Artest doesn't self implode, I think the Kings may have got the best end of the deal. I love what Peja brought to the Kings, but for whatever reason, it's no longer working on the Kings.
 
DeAtHrOw said:
Agreed. Maybe Artest can defend the opposing PG too considering Mike could not stop my grandma.

So what are you a Peja lover and a Mike basher?

Why take a shot at Bibby now?

"Get off Mike's back":D

At least Bibby's been productive for the team as a whole, going over 40 a few times and getting 35 and 10 in the OT win against the Knicks. Basically, he's been carrying a bad team on his back.

No he's never going to be able to play D, but neither will Steve Nash and he's been pretty well regarded around the league if I'm not mistaken.
 
Team Dime said:
So what are you a Peja lover and a Mike basher?

Why take a shot at Bibby now?

"Get off Mike's back":D

At least Bibby's been productive for the team as a whole, going over 40 a few times and getting 35 and 10 in the OT win against the Knicks. Basically, he's been carrying a bad team on his back.

No he's never going to be able to play D, but neither will Steve Nash and he's been pretty well regarded around the league if I'm not mistaken.


And you are not a Peja-basher and Mike-lover :D

There is no point beating a dead-horse, those that wanted Peja out got their wish. All we can do now is wait and see how it pans out.
 
DeAtHrOw said:
And you are not a Peja-basher and Mike-lover :D

There is no point beating a dead-horse, those that wanted Peja out got their wish. All we can do now is wait and see how it pans out.

At least my guy cares about winning.

On the other hand, I've always had problems respecting teammates who were too good to hustle and get their hands dirty.
 
Team Dime said:
On the other hand, I've always had problems respecting teammates who were too good to hustle and get their hands dirty.

All the things required to play half-decent defense.
 
DeAtHrOw said:
NEWSFLASH...Peja is no longer on the team. Peja never wanted to be a leader. Mike proclaimed himself as the leader of team on Webber was gone.

You really need to get off his back considering he is not even with the team anymore.
By the same token, you should stop defending him, considering he is not on the team anymore.
 
Team Dime said:
At least my guy cares about winning.

On the other hand, I've always had problems respecting teammates who were too good to hustle and get their hands dirty.


"Team Dime" is the name of Mike B. loyal at his spare time. How much money does he pays you to promote him?
 
Francisco d'Anconia said:
"chronic choker and malcontent"? I was never a Peja fan but this is not a good characterization I don't think. I would call Peja 100 mean things before I'd call him a malcontent.

And worry about Artest protesting calls from refs? Artest will have to do a lot before he cracks the King's top 10 whiners about calls from the refs.

Part of a Maloof conspiracy to move the team? I thought only weirded out internet geeks with no lives believed in bizarre theories like that - not professional journalists.

Pretty bad article.

Ron never argues about calls in a game. You guys are going to love Ron in about 2 weeks. I'm one of about 3 Pacer fans left that wanted to keep Ron but I understand why he had to go.
He just plays to win every game and gets frustrated when losing sets in. He is going to help the Kings tremendously.
 
thesanityannex said:
By the same token, you should stop defending him, considering he is not on the team anymore.

Would I need to defend him if people were not still on his case?
 
Oh please.

Charley Rosen is a Kings hater who cannot pass up an opportunity to take one more jab at Peja.
 
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