Chad Ford/Bill Simmons chat on draft,cousins/sac...

[BradC79]

Here is an excerpt from there chat about the 5th pick and the kings/cousins:

Chad Ford, ESPN Insider Or play for them. Tyreke is a special player, but he isn't easy to coach or play with. Pair him with Cousins and the other 10 guys on that team are miserable.

Chase Shouldn't the Kings mortgage the farm to pair Tyreke with Cousins??? No one in their right mind would want to play them...

sportsguy33 Chad, we're agreeing too much. But I agree. Monroe is another "on the right team, he could thrive" guy... fantastic passer, totally soft, disappears for stretches, good kid. I'd like to see him go to the Kings or Utah.

Chad Ford, ESPN Insider OK with the 5th pick the Sacramento Kings select -- Greg Monroe. I know Wes Johnson is still on the board, but Monroe reminds me so much of a young Vlade Divac. He has to go to Sacramento. Has to.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Ive been catching up on the chat for the past 30 mins or so. Not a lot of good info in there, and this is classic Chad Ford Kings hatred.

He always mentions how hard it is to read Geoff and what the kings are doing. We dont give him info, and in return he bashes us. Then he had the whole thing with JR last year. Its pretty clear he doesnt like us. I dont know why he feels like Reke is hard to coach. Just stupid.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Here is an excerpt from there chat about the 5th pick and the kings/cousins:

Chad Ford, ESPN Insider Or play for them. Tyreke is a special player, but he isn't easy to coach or play with. Pair him with Cousins and the other 10 guys on that team are miserable.

Chase Shouldn't the Kings mortgage the farm to pair Tyreke with Cousins??? No one in their right mind would want to play them...

sportsguy33 Chad, we're agreeing too much. But I agree. Monroe is another "on the right team, he could thrive" guy... fantastic passer, totally soft, disappears for stretches, good kid. I'd like to see him go to the Kings or Utah.

Chad Ford, ESPN Insider OK with the 5th pick the Sacramento Kings select -- Greg Monroe. I know Wes Johnson is still on the board, but Monroe reminds me so much of a young Vlade Divac. He has to go to Sacramento. Has to.

That's really telling right there.

 

[fnordius]

Wasn't it Chad Ford who, just yesterday, said that the Monroe versus Cousins debate in the Kings FO was leaning towards Cousins?

As I pointed out in another thread, he had us passing on Evans for Curry last year.

Something tells me that his sources inside Arco may be imaginary friends.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Wasn't it Chad Ford who, just yesterday, said that the Monroe versus Cousins debate in the Kings FO was leaning towards Cousins?

As I pointed out in another thread, he had us passing on Evans for Curry last year.

Something tells me that his sources inside Arco may be imaginary friends.

That is true, however in this chat he had a mock draft with Bill Simmons, who drafted Cousins at 4 to Minni, so chad then took Monroe for Sac. He stilll believes were taking Cousins if he is there.

 

[Bricklayer]

That's almost something approaching a slur given that we, the fanbase, have been sitting right here and there has not been a single peep of dissatisfaction with Reke's coachability leaked from our coaching staff.

Ford's ability to continue as a national writer for year after year while speaking almost entirely out of his sphincter really goes to show you how nonexistent standards are for sportwriters.

 

[Kingster]

That's almost something approaching a slur given that we, the fanbase, have been sitting right here and there has not been a single peep of dissatisfaction with Reke's coachability leaked from our coaching staff.

Ford's ability to continue as a national writer for year after year while speaking almost entirely out of his sphincter really goes to show you how nonexistent standards are for sportwriters.

Yeah, to throw that bomb out there without one whit of evidence is beyond the pail, even for a sports journalist of the lowest order.

 

[kennadog]

Yeah, to throw that bomb out there without one whit of evidence is beyond the pail, even for a sports journalist of the lowest order.

Yeah, I'm like what the hell, where did that come from? (Then again, it must be from Fantasyland. )

 

[Rookie]

Chase Shouldn't the Kings mortgage the farm to pair Tyreke with Cousins??? No one in their right mind would want to play them...

I totally agreed...they would destory everyone they play against.

If their center aint crying after the game, it will be their PG.

 

[Dr. Spaceman]

I think we're all in agreeance that the national media has an absolutely awful and false read on the state of the Kings. If Ford honestly believes that we're trying to put together another Princeton-focused squad, he can shove his draft board where the sun don't shine. Seems like that's where he gets his draft info anyway.

 

[rainmaker]

I swear, Ford has got to be one of the worst national sports writers I have ever come across. Half the stuff he says is utter garbage. Doesn't surprise me though.

"Tyreke is a special player, but he isn't easy to coach or play with"

Where the hell did he get this crap from? Brick is right, we have all been following the Kings closely all season, and haven't heard anything that would give this statement an ounce of credibility. Ford lives in Hawaii the majority of the year, and does consultant work unrelated to the nba. He's doesn't even follow the league full time. I swear, this jacka** makes this stuff up as he goes along.

He's had a problem with Tyreke since day one. He takes every opportunity possible to slam him. Also, Ford has Cousins going to us in his latest Mock Draft from yesterday, but in todays chat says we're taking Monroe. Chad, do us all a favor and put down the pipe.

 

[hammystyle]

Same old Ford

I like him as a source for trade possibilities and what sources are saying about picks and such. He puts out a ton of content and information......but his analysis is just incredibly poor. Its remearkable someone that ingrained within the league could be so misguided. And I don't know who from the Sactown organization peed on his cheerios.

Just for fun...looking at the last few Chad Ford tidbits on Kings drafts.

2004
Round 1: Kevin Martin, SG, Western Carolina (No. 26)
Round 2: Ricky Minard, G, Morehead State (No. 47)
I think their draft was OK. I actually prefer Minard to Martin but can understand Martin's appeal. He ranked second in the nation in scoring last season. With Gerald Wallace being drafted by the Bobcats, the Kings really needed a player who could step in and give them some minutes at shooting guard. Martin needs to gain strength and weight, but he's a great athlete who knows how to score. Minard could be the next Ronald Murray, which would be a very nice addition in Sacramento.
Grade: B-

2005:
Round 1: Francisco Garcia, SG, Louisville (No. 23)

Round 2: None
Analysis: Didn't the Kings make this same pick last year when they selected Kevin Martin in the late first round? Martin is a long swingman who can shoot and score. Garcia is a long swingman who can shoot and score. Garcia is an upgrade over Martin, but not by that much. I have to wonder if the Kings weren't better off trying to add some size. Johan Petro, Wayne Simien, David Lee and Chris Taft were all available when the Kings picked.
Grade: C+

2006
Round 1: Quincy Douby, SG, Rutgers (No. 19)


Round 2: No picks
Analysis: Didn't the Kings make the same pick the last two years when they selected Francisco Garcia and Kevin Martin late in the first round?

Garcia is a long, skinny two-guard who can shoot and score. Martin is a long, skinny two-guard who can shoot and score. Douby is a long, skinny two-guard who can shoot and score.

I know they miss Bobby Jackson, but this is ridiculous. They would have been better off adding a real backup point guard like Marcus Williams or Rajon Rondo.

Grade: C+

2007: C+
Round 1: Spencer Hawes (10)
Analysis: The Kings continue their tradition of big, unathletic centers in the middle. Hawes is a skilled player around the basket, and like Brad Miller, he's an amazing passer. But his lack of athleticism probably will keep him from being a star. I think Al Thornton or Julian Wright might have been a better pick here.

2008: C-
Round 1: Jason Thompson (12)

Round 2: Sean Singletary (42), Patrick Ewing Jr. (43)

Analysis: A team should not be criticized just for doing the unexpected. But the Kings made a huge reach for Thompson at No. 12. He's going to be a solid rotation player at best. But it looks like he might be the Shelden Williams of this draft.
With solid players like Brandon Rush, Darrell Arthur and Mario Chalmers and upside guys like Anthony Randolph and Marreese Speights on the board, I think the Kings blew it.

Singletary could be a nice second-round pick. But I have a hard time believing Ewing has a spot in the league.


2009: B+
Round 1: Tyreke Evans (4), Omri Casspi (23)
Round 2: Jon Brockman (38, traded from Blazers via Knicks and Bulls)
Analysis: I'm a little split on what to give the Kings.
On the one hand, I really liked their draft. Evans is a talented guy and one of the most NBA-ready guards in the draft, a terrific, physical slasher who knows how to score. Casspi is tough as nails with a high-energy game. Brockman is a lumberjack in the paint and will knock heads with anyone. Put these three draft picks together with the acquisition of Andres Nocioni in February, and you can no longer call the Kings soft.
On the other hand, I think the Kings chose the safest route, picking now over the future. Ricky Rubio was a better fit than Evans, who is a not a point guard -- he has a scorer's mentality, and Sacramento already has a star shooting guard in Kevin Martin.
The Kings felt Rubio was too far away, too much of a risk. Compared to Evans, he might be. But in the coming years, Rubio might make them wish they had grabbed him while they could.

 

[swisshh]

Those draft recaps aren't that bad actually. He was off on KMart, but so was everyone.

He was right about the Kings drafting the same type of player three times in a row. He was right on Rondo and Williams being a better choice. I think Al Thorton is better right now than Hawes. Speights possibly better than JT.

 

[Heuge]

2005-2008, he is spot on.

 

[Arco Arena]

Thanks for posting that.

He's actually pretty spot on for the most part. lol.

 

[Nighthawk1]

He actually is spot on with the draft recaps as much as we didn't want to believe the JT bash... JT could still surprise he has some good talent there but does seem like a rotational player at this point due to his dumb mistakes.

I think he's basically telling us why the Media believes Monroe will go to kings... They seem to look into our past and look for a build that GP did at one point to parallel in the way they will draft...

But saying that, GP hasn't done anything like he did in the famous rebuild. Our PG isn't flashy... We ditched our passing/shooting center and went with a defensive clogger.. I think GP is building a whole new type team unlike the type we saw with webber/vlade/jwill/christie... The emphasis is defense and toughness right now so I don't think going back and looking at old teams that GP built is a solid base to run off of.. I could be wrong but it seems like GP has a particular type of team in mind which leads me to believe Monroe while a petrie type player of the past won't be drafted by us.