Carmichael Dave innuendo, "We are officially at Defcon One"
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Bricklayer
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People have to quit lionizing George Karl.
George Karl is still unemployed for a reason. Won a lot of games. Never the ones that matter. Pissed off a lot of people. Old self promoting egotist. Still a very good coach, but one who has always been good at the wrong stuff for a big center.
Its all such a mess that I don't know who else would even be willing to step into this cesspool, but there are MANY good reasons to wonder about Karl as a good fit. If Cousins himself objects to him, then I don't want him. But I would like to know why such a strong objection. Trying to remember if there was some point where Karl was anti-Cuz (Karl being a political animal is of course now all pro-Cuz).
Carmichael Dave @CarmichaelDave 5m5 minutes ago Antelope, CA
Let's go ahead and see what @boogiecousins actually SAID after the game, and decide. I for one have his back. Who's with me?
Let's go ahead and see what @boogiecousins actually SAID after the game, and decide. I for one have his back. Who's with me?
PurpleHaze
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Vivek should take charge right now dammit! Fire Corbin, fire PDA, dismiss Mullin or just end close advisor status. Elevate Asst. GM Mike Bratz (perhaps temporarily) unless George Karl named GM and coach. Hire Karl as head coach immediately!!
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Glenn
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I don't know a thing except this team continues to look clueless.
Glenn
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Bricklayer
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Well that's of course because it was Pat Riley. I had Riley's back in that one, because he had proven 1000x over what he needed to prove. And if Riley were our GM I would have his back here. As it is, I've seen what our management has done running things on their own. Them getting over roughshod doesn't bother me at all. **** 'em.
More importantly the entire point of this coach switching exercise is to get a coach that can finally get Cuz into a system and into contention. If Cuz and the targeted coach don't see eye to eye, it ain't gonna happen. So I don't want that coach, almost no matter who it is. I would however like to know who Cux or his camp has in mind instead.
John Galt
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Where Chris Walken hid Bruce Willis' dad's watch!!
Background on Fegan/Cousins:
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/23/report-demarcus-cousins-changes-agents/
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/23/report-demarcus-cousins-changes-agents/
Sean Cunningham @News10Sean 2m2 minutes ago
From what I know of DeMarcus Cousins, the notion that he'd REFUSE to play for any head coach, is laughable. Resistance doesn't = refusal
From what I know of DeMarcus Cousins, the notion that he'd REFUSE to play for any head coach, is laughable. Resistance doesn't = refusal
steelevt
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As much as I like cousins you can't let one player become more than the team. I'm not talking about players but about TEAM. The front office, the players, the fans, the history. Its hard to get free agents here but I think that means coaches too. So if a hof coach wants in, you can't let a player be the only one blocking it if everyone else is on board. Karl has done a lot in his career and some years without a lot of talent. I like cousins but I'd bet on Karl with good players vs cousins with a crappy coach.
PurpleHaze
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DMC: On news of the day involving Kings FO.
"No excuses, just block out the distractions, until heard it from the horses mouth." I'm with you guys, until I hear what's happening."
"No excuses, just block out the distractions, until heard it from the horses mouth." I'm with you guys, until I hear what's happening."
Glenn
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Exactly what I thought.
I agree with this 100%. Even Kobe knows his line as a player. If he had it his way, he'd be the team's coach and the only player on the floor.
It's the basics of the NBA.
nebs
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kupman
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You had me at "Won a lot of games."
Livinthedream
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I'm not a huge fan of Karl's teams playing style. I'm fine with him coming because we just need a good coach and stability. So I don't believe I'm lionizing him.
My issue is if everyone wants to hire him, then just do it. Cousins "camp", while relevant, can't be the final decision maker. Not while we're in the situation we're in at this point. The pros outweigh the con's from where I see it and from what I know.
Bricklayer
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Yes you CAN.
Its the best player you've had in 30 years.
The coach is not what people are panicking into making him be. He's good. He's never won everything. He's old. He's had health scares. There's not one reasonable franchise in the league that given the choice of right now, you can start as an expansion franchise with either George Karl, or DeMarcus Cousins, that takes the old coach.
If Cousins wants him, then fine. Hire him. If Cousins' doesn't we can go a hell of a lot further with Cousins and Nate McMillan than we can with George Karl and Nik Stauskas.
uhh, duh. That's not the issue here.
Karl isn't the ideal coach if you had your pick of who you wanted. We don't have that luxury. And with the crapstorm created by firing Malone, we no longer have the luxury to wait until the off-season to look for more options. The team is 100% done playing with 30 games left. There's just absolutely nothing positive happening on the floor anymore and it's only going to get worse over the next 2 months. Even worse than fans being pissed off at the FO/team is they're flat out just losing interest in watching/following the Kings. There's simply no other option other than to go get the proven winning coach in here to shake things up.
steelevt
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Here's the thing. Phil Jackson and pat Riley are not beating down the doors to coach Sacramento. You might not like Karl but he's the closest thing to a legit coach that has wanted to come here. Yes he might not have the rings or the coaching style you want but he for sure is a hell of a lot better than theus, smart, or natt. The list of coaches available aren't long and the list that actually want to come here are shorter. Narrow it down to possible hall of fame coaches and that leaves 1 that I know. Now of course you want your franchise players opinion but he can't have the final say. Cousins is good, no he's great, but same argument you had with Karl, what has he won? Has he lead this team to a championship? Playoffs? A winning record? Karl can check 2 off that list. This isn't Jordan Shaquille or Kobe. Cousins hadn't earn the right to make that demand. He barely made the Allstar game and that was by injury. We all think he's great but we all have some bias. We should pair a great coach with a great player and go from there. If cousins really does hate losing then he should be on board with one of the winningest coaches in the NBA. I really don't really believe these rumors of it actually being cousins is true. His agents maybe. Cousins is tired of losing period and I think he's ready for anything that can change this. Right now Karl is the only answer since the other answer is employed in Chicago.
SLAB
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I understand what you're saying Brick, but that's not how the NBA works, and that's how it'll never work.
The players are the players and the owners are the owners.
we think the firing of Malone is bad....if we end up not hiring Karl because Cousins or his agent doesn't like him, the Kings will be the laughing stock of the entire NBA to players, coaches, staffs, owners, and Silver. No one in the NBA would ever ever take the Kings seriously again because we'll be known for the team that caters to their players.
It's just not how the NBA works at all.
Like Amick said, is this Vivek's team, or is this Cousins' camp team?
This is how you ruin franchises...the Kings have only been ruined for a year, I have no clue why anyone would want more years.
So anytime Cousins isn't happy, we're going to have to change everything to fit his needs and how he likes it? We're going to have to bend over to our toes to make him happy, or else he'll threaten to bolt? Players in the NBA should have 0 input in anything FO related.
Just doesn't work like that in the NBA, and never has.
If I could, I'd like this a 10000 times. Not even Kobe has a say right now. If he did, he'd be the only one on that team even allowed to touch the floor. He'd be his own coach.
Iced Espresso
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LOL this is simply crazy.
I don't know what to say considering everything.
More popcorn.
I don't know what to say considering everything.
More popcorn.
Kingster
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LOL!
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