Can the Kings have a winning season next season?

I believe we can, it's really all about playing together and under a coaching scheme which will fit the entire Kings squad.

I believe that few players should be released from the team,for instance players like Hollins, Evans, D.Will and maybe Stauskas.
If we want to be a successful team we do need to upgrade our SG and PF spots, we need to bring an experienced shooter who is unlikely to suffer from a certain wall or hard stretches which will prevent him from shooting in high percentages, I am talking about a player like Danny Green or Aaron Aflalo, Wesley Matthews.
Or maybe the Kings should look after another star caliber who will join Cousins in the struggle of making the playoffs, preferably a SG who can help Cousins and also share some of the big load which is laid on Cousins's shoulders, I am talking about a player like Jimmy Butler maybe...

Kings need a valuable PF, someone who can fit Cousins and also let Cousins work inside and might be able to be a threat from outside, I am talking about a player like Draymond Green which I really like as a player and really believe that he can contribute for the Kings, Thaddeus Young might be an interesting player to sign as well but I prefer Green.

Kings should also decide whether they want Collison as a starter or as a backup point guard... because I'm not sure if what we have now is enough, even though I was really impressed by Collison and I believe he was filling his opening PG position really well, but maybe considering signing Reggie Jackson will be a smart decision, I don't believe he will re-sign with the Pistons when Jennings is back from his injury, he won't agree to be a backup player again, so maybe here in Sacramento he will be able to have the opening PG spot, that move will obviously force us to give up on either Miller or McCallum.

And eventually I also believe that the Kings should try and sign Brandan Wright to be a backup center off the bench for DeMarcus Cousins, I really like this guy he is athletic and also a pretty good defender, he is a little undersized but he makes up for it with his athleticism, I believe he can be a great fit for us from the bench...
 
I believe we can, it's really all about playing together and under a coaching scheme which will fit the entire Kings squad.

I believe that few players should be released from the team,for instance players like Hollins, Evans, D.Will and maybe Stauskas.
If we want to be a successful team we do need to upgrade our SG and PF spots, we need to bring an experienced shooter who is unlikely to suffer from a certain wall or hard stretches which will prevent him from shooting in high percentages, I am talking about a player like Danny Green or Aaron Aflalo, Wesley Matthews.
Or maybe the Kings should look after another star caliber who will join Cousins in the struggle of making the playoffs, preferably a SG who can help Cousins and also share some of the big load which is laid on Cousins's shoulders, I am talking about a player like Jimmy Butler maybe...

Kings need a valuable PF, someone who can fit Cousins and also let Cousins work inside and might be able to be a threat from outside, I am talking about a player like Draymond Green which I really like as a player and really believe that he can contribute for the Kings, Thaddeus Young might be an interesting player to sign as well but I prefer Green.

Kings should also decide whether they want Collison as a starter or as a backup point guard... because I'm not sure if what we have now is enough, even though I was really impressed by Collison and I believe he was filling his opening PG position really well, but maybe considering signing Reggie Jackson will be a smart decision, I don't believe he will re-sign with the Pistons when Jennings is back from his injury, he won't agree to be a backup player again, so maybe here in Sacramento he will be able to have the opening PG spot, that move will obviously force us to give up on either Miller or McCallum.

And eventually I also believe that the Kings should try and sign Brandan Wright to be a backup center off the bench for DeMarcus Cousins, I really like this guy he is athletic and also a pretty good defender, he is a little undersized but he makes up for it with his athleticism, I believe he can be a great fit for us from the bench...

Not totally sure what you were implying but it would be almost impossible to sign one of these players let alone multiple ones.

Which is why the room to improve the roster with the assets we have is minimal.

If we truly wanted to build around cousins, we could sign role playing 3 and d guys and instill the right system to win.

If we insist on pace it's going to be another long season.
 
Who the hell knows. The ncentive is there for the FO to work real hard for it but there is only so much they can do for sure. Tune in after draft day and again at pre-season kickoff. Karl has had enough time by the end of season to have druthers to pass on to the FO traders and signers. I'm optimistic, not for a home run but for real progress.
 
Just on the number of wins and losses it is a tall order IMO. I think the Kings are going to end up with maybe 30 wins this season being optimistic. An increase to 42 wins next season would be a 12 game improvement and that is a big swing in the W column. Playoffs? That might take 48+ wins in the West.

Where do those wins come from? Having George Karl leading the team to finish this season, then through the off season and then through training camp has to be worth a few wins. Karl will probably choose to replace many in the coaching staff with his people. Since George likes to delegate he may get some high profile type assistants that can work with the players bring about improved play and squeeze out more wins. Then I do see some veterans being brought in. Probably guys that have played for Karl in the past. Affalo, Lawson and Faried are names that could be had by giving up valuable assets, salary cap or young players.

So then if the team chemistry is good and the wins start to pile up, the injuries are minor and few and the Front Office let the Coaches Coach. The Kings might pull off a winning season.

It is not the Detroit Bad Boys 2.0 but it may be as good as it gets Kings Fans:)
 
Who the hell knows? That's an unanswerable question in March; we don't know how many - or if - any of these players will still be here in October.

Who the hell knows. The ncentive is there for the FO to work real hard for it but there is only so much they can do for sure. Tune in after draft day and again at pre-season kickoff. Karl has had enough time by the end of season to have druthers to pass on to the FO traders and signers. I'm optimistic, not for a home run but for real progress.

Hey that is TWO "Who the hell knows" in one thread! Is that a record or something?
 
I don't buy the notion that this roster isnt capable of achieving a winning season. The beginning of this season was a large enough of sample size for me considering the level of competition we faced. Its entirely reasonable to assume that our on court play would have improved if it weren't for viral meningitis and Malone being fired. I also dont agree with the idea that the grind it out style of play that we had success with earlier this season is the only way that we can succeed. Coach karl's winning record spans DECADES. Basketball has changed quite a bit during that time and Karl has proven his ability to adapt.
 
Every losing season get's us closer to a winning one right? The only problem is that we seem to be making the exact same mistakes over and over again so maybe not. But at the same time it really doesn't take a lot to turn it around it's just 2-3 players that can change everything and they don't have to be elite or all star players just solid starting level players.
 
Or maybe the Kings should look after another star caliber who will join Cousins in the struggle of making the playoffs, preferably a SG who can help Cousins and also share some of the big load which is laid on Cousins's shoulders, I am talking about a player like Jimmy Butler maybe...
I would love the idea of acquiring Jimmy Butler. It would be a tremendous upgrade for the roster and will almost guarantee a playoff berth.

I know it is not probable, especially that a lot of fans here believes no big name player would want to play in cowbell town. But who knows? Maybe Jimmy Butler wants to be one of the main guys in a team and would want to play with the best center in the NBA.

Would he be available and can we afford him?
 
I would love the idea of acquiring Jimmy Butler. It would be a tremendous upgrade for the roster and will almost guarantee a playoff berth.

I know it is not probable, especially that a lot of fans here believes no big name player would want to play in cowbell town. But who knows? Maybe Jimmy Butler wants to be one of the main guys in a team and would want to play with the best center in the NBA.

Would he be available and can we afford him?

No and No.

These are the sorts of unrealistic pipe dreams that poison the team building waters, I think even for our front office. No, we aren't getting Jimmy Butler. Sucks, but that is life. Now man up and get us a much better group of roleplayers instead. An extra star would be nifty, but there are plenty of teams doing a whole hell of a lot more with less starpower than we have already.
 
LOL at Jimmy Butler. He's getting a Max from Bulls, or a matched offer sheet from whatever sucker team, he'll find. For $10 million Kings have to offer slight chance, it might be enough for Danny Green, and it might be enough for Wes Mathews, but you would have no idea, if he's even able to play to start the season. Every very good/elite guy under 26 is getting close to Max this year.
Kings can remove the protection from next year's pick by selling it to Chicago for some asset(s), and that would open up access to 2018, 2020, 2022 picks, though trading more than one would mean each will have to be one draft obligation: any protection would mean, that the pick might turn into pumpkin for the other team, if Kings would finish that season in protected zone. Still it would be 3 additional assets.
 
Not totally sure what you were implying but it would be almost impossible to sign one of these players let alone multiple ones.

Which is why the room to improve the roster with the assets we have is minimal.

If we truly wanted to build around cousins, we could sign role playing 3 and d guys and instill the right system to win.

If we insist on pace it's going to be another long season.

Why is that? obviously signing Jimmy Butler was only a wish of mine because it is pretty much exaggerated, but signing a guy like Danny Green or Aaron Aflalo is not exaggerated at all, there is a chance for it to happen, Draymond Green is not signed for a lot of money right now but once his contract is over this summer the Golden State will offer a new contract for him with an upgraded salary the Kings will be able to match or even offer higher amount of money for him because I believe he is a valuable guy to have at the PF spot.

What we really need right now is to improve our SG and PF spots, that will help us have a better team next year, a team that will be able to make it to the playoffs.
 
I would love the idea of acquiring Jimmy Butler. It would be a tremendous upgrade for the roster and will almost guarantee a playoff berth.

I know it is not probable, especially that a lot of fans here believes no big name player would want to play in cowbell town. But who knows? Maybe Jimmy Butler wants to be one of the main guys in a team and would want to play with the best center in the NBA.

Would he be available and can we afford him?

if we trade all of our role players for capspace and do pull a jersey nets / miami heat tying up all the capspace in a few players. sustainable? probably since we have a billionaire owner.
 
Why is that? obviously signing Jimmy Butler was only a wish of mine because it is pretty much exaggerated, but signing a guy like Danny Green or Aaron Aflalo is not exaggerated at all, there is a chance for it to happen, Draymond Green is not signed for a lot of money right now but once his contract is over this summer the Golden State will offer a new contract for him with an upgraded salary the Kings will be able to match or even offer higher amount of money for him because I believe he is a valuable guy to have at the PF spot.

What we really need right now is to improve our SG and PF spots, that will help us have a better team next year, a team that will be able to make it to the playoffs.

My point was mostly if you were suggesting getting more than one of those guys which would be impossible. Even getting one would be a major challenge as more desirable teams will have equal or more space.
 
My point was mostly if you were suggesting getting more than one of those guys which would be impossible. Even getting one would be a major challenge as more desirable teams will have equal or more space.

So how do you suggest this team will get better because certainly drafting young promising players didn't help us much thus far, Kings need to make themselves look attractive in front of the free agency, we need to constantly wave in the face of the free agent players the fact that this team is on the rise, and the fact that a new arena is about to be the new home of the Kings in 2016, this team needs to show that it is willing to improve and get better, only that way good free agent players would like to join the Sacramento Kings.

We obviously need to try and sign decent players to this team, we can't dwell on saying we want to get better and yet do nothing about it, it is time for the Kings to really improve.
 
I don't buy the notion that this roster isnt capable of achieving a winning season. The beginning of this season was a large enough of sample size for me considering the level of competition we faced. Its entirely reasonable to assume that our on court play would have improved if it weren't for viral meningitis and Malone being fired. I also dont agree with the idea that the grind it out style of play that we had success with earlier this season is the only way that we can succeed. Coach karl's winning record spans DECADES. Basketball has changed quite a bit during that time and Karl has proven his ability to adapt.
I agree, but its the only way we have succeeded so far. So reasoning goes: why aren't we trying it now? Why not?

I'm not asking you to answer those questions; they're just rhetorical!
 
Yes, the Kings can have a successful season and I even say could make the playoffs next year if this offseason goes right. I think we are at a tipping point in the league right now, it's not the usual two or three teams that win every year, it is now anybody's game. Any team could jump into the playoff hunt and any team could fall out. Look at some of the top playoff teams right now in the western conference, Portland, Memphis, Los Angeles, Oklahoma City, Dallas, etc. The Kings routinely compete with all of those teams every time they play, we aren't as far behind them as it seems. Sometimes it's the smallest changes that make the biggest differences.

In my opinion, the most important thing that needs to happen during this offseason is that this team needs basketball players. High IQ, team first basketball players. These are the kind of players who don't turn the ball over, don't make stupid passes, don't take bad shots, can read and react to a defense, and most importantly always contribute something, even on a bad night. We have too many disappearing acts on this team right now. Winning teams have players who still contribute when their shot isn't falling. They play better defense, they grab tough rebounds, they find their teammates, etc.

These guys don't have to be high draft picks or highly paid free agents, in fact most of the time they're not. Many times they are late first round picks or even second round picks. No more one and done guys, let's trade down and get some three or four years of college guys. We need George Karl to teach our team how to play the George Karl system, not how to play basic basketball first, we've had too much of that lately.
 
So how do you suggest this team will get better because certainly drafting young promising players didn't help us much thus far, Kings need to make themselves look attractive in front of the free agency, we need to constantly wave in the face of the free agent players the fact that this team is on the rise, and the fact that a new arena is about to be the new home of the Kings in 2016, this team needs to show that it is willing to improve and get better, only that way good free agent players would like to join the Sacramento Kings.

We obviously need to try and sign decent players to this team, we can't dwell on saying we want to get better and yet do nothing about it, it is time for the Kings to really improve.

how about consistency? some continuity? player development? how do you flourish when there is constant change? adapting to a new situation time and time again.

the team needs strong leadership and it starts at the top w/ vivek. too many cooks in the kitchen. vivek, mully, gerbil and bratz
 
how about consistency? some continuity? player development? how do you flourish when there is constant change? adapting to a new situation time and time again.

the team needs strong leadership and it starts at the top w/ vivek. too many cooks in the kitchen. vivek, mully, gerbil and bratz

Well if you believe that article that came out this morning we may end up losing three of those four cooks, in my opinion a good thing!
 
how about consistency? some continuity? player development? how do you flourish when there is constant change? adapting to a new situation time and time again.

the team needs strong leadership and it starts at the top w/ vivek. too many cooks in the kitchen. vivek, mully, gerbil and bratz

Kings are "adapting" for more than 8-9 years, enough with the adaptation, it is time to bring some great names to the city, players who can help us win and can help qualify to the playoffs, it started 6 years ago when Kings drafted a kid named Tyreke Evans , they were sure he was going to lead the Kings for success, he was terrific, but didn't had nobody to play with until Cousins came, but until Cousins has transformed into the beast we know today Tyreke had already left, you can't wait forever, you want to make a quick change you have to bring some interesting names to your team and that's about it, because if not you might be waiting for another 8-9 years my friend.
 
Kings are "adapting" for more than 8-9 years, enough with the adaptation, it is time to bring some great names to the city, players who can help us win and can help qualify to the playoffs, it started 6 years ago when Kings drafted a kid named Tyreke Evans , they were sure he was going to lead the Kings for success, he was terrific, but didn't had nobody to play with until Cousins came, but until Cousins has transformed into the beast we know today Tyreke had already left, you can't wait forever, you want to make a quick change you have to bring some interesting names to your team and that's about it, because if not you might be waiting for another 8-9 years my friend.

what we saw at the beginning of the season is the beginning of such, continuity, consistency. we tore it all down and decided 3.0 is more important. we'll see how it goes. gotta start over and earn cuz's trust. how good are we if rudy is option #1 when cuz demands a trade?
 
what article

The one in the local newspaper which I don't care to name, just don't like a lot of what they write. Anyway I think Voison wrote it, I'm surprised no one has posted it yet. Who knows if this is truth or if Ranadive is trying to distance himself from the scapegoats, smart if that is the case though.
Basically there are issues in the front office as it was Ranadive who pushed for the signings of Karl and Divac while Mullin, D'Alessandro, and Bratz were all against the idea and as a result those three are acting very cold towards the two. Divac was even asked about the uncomfortable atmosphere and his answer while short and politically correct, you could tell something was there, something along the lines of, we will see how this goes. Karl was asked too and his answer while longer basically summed up with saying that you cannot win unless everyone is on the same team. There is a feeling that Karl and Divac are ranked higher in the organization now than those three. Someone who has an account with that paper please post a link, I don't have an account there.

The other interesting thing I remember is a couple weeks ago on the morning radio show, Carmichael Dave said that he expects that D'Alessandro to be let go in the offseason. That while he deserves another year, he probably won't get it.
 
We would need better guards to have a chance at a winning record. Playing in the West with the weakest backcourt in the league makes a winning record unlikely IMHO.
 
That's why we have management. People get paid top dollar for these decisions. When you're a small market team it's inevitable you're going to have to over spend. San Antonio is a freak of nature and please don't compare us to them. Bottom line is simple, we need better players, more talent, and we need to somehow turn the garbage that we have into viable assets to bring in help or acquire via free agency

First, I have no respect for someone that calls other people garbage. Go say it to their face, and then I'll have respect for you. Easy to sit at your computer and spout off crap like that. Secondly, to tell us that we need better players, more talent, isn't a revelation to any of us. I doubt its a revelation to Vivek or anyone in the Kings organization. It's not as simple as your trying to make it sound. You can't trade JT if you can't make a deal, and apparently it's common knowledge that the Kings have been shopping JT for some time now. Oh I'm sure there has been offers, but probably not offers any of us would like. And then there is that dasterdly thing called the salary cap. Damm, if we could just get a free pass to get around it. But hey, your a smart guy, I'm sure you could figure out a way.
 
First, I have no respect for someone that calls other people garbage. Go say it to their face, and then I'll have respect for you. Easy to sit at your computer and spout off crap like that. Secondly, to tell us that we need better players, more talent, isn't a revelation to any of us. I doubt its a revelation to Vivek or anyone in the Kings organization. It's not as simple as your trying to make it sound. You can't trade JT if you can't make a deal, and apparently it's common knowledge that the Kings have been shopping JT for some time now. Oh I'm sure there has been offers, but probably not offers any of us would like. And then there is that dasterdly thing called the salary cap. Damm, if we could just get a free pass to get around it. But hey, your a smart guy, I'm sure you could figure out a way.

I'm just keeping it real, bajaden. Get away from all of the politics for a second. Some of the players on this team honestly aren't terrible, but they don't help, and to be real they actually hurt the team by being on the floor instead of someone else. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to know this. You ever heard of addition by subtraction?
 
We would need better guards to have a chance at a winning record. Playing in the West with the weakest backcourt in the league makes a winning record unlikely IMHO.

Well, I don't think that anyone would argue that having better players at any position would be a bad thing. So to that extent, I agree with you. I guess I come from the position of, where is it that we need the most help? And I think its at the PF position, and the backup center position. And by backup center, I'm talking about someone that can legitimately start if Cousins misses a game, for whatever reason. At PF, we need someone that is special in some way at that position. By special, I mean someone that's a very good rim protector and hopefully a good rebounder. Or someone that can step out, and spread the floor by hitting outside shots. JT is one of those players that's sort of good at everything, but not great at anything. That usually describes a backup player.

I don't think we have this great need at the PG position. I think with the return of Collison next season, and with him playing in Karls system, we'll be fine at PG. I'm sure we'll sign Miller for at least another year, and with less minutes, he should be fine. Would I rather have an elite PG? Of course, but right now, I'd rather plug up some other holes. SG I'm not sure of. If McLemore improves again this offseason, we won't have anything to worry about, but I still think that it's possible that Stauskas will pass him by if he doesn't improve. The main advantage that McLemore has over Stauskas is his athleticism, and the minutes he's getting. Stauskas is a better ballhandler, and in time you'll see he's a better shooter, plus he does a lot of little things that McLemore doesn't do.

To believe that one or both will fill the hole there for next season is a bit of a gamble. But if your going to go out and get a veteran, you take minutes away from one of McLemore or Stauskas. I think at that point, you have to trade one of them. By the way, my knock on McLemore at Kansas, was his inconsistent shooting, and at times his lack of aggression in games. There were games where he just disappeared. Any of that sound familiar?
 
Well, I don't think that anyone would argue that having better players at any position would be a bad thing. So to that extent, I agree with you. I guess I come from the position of, where is it that we need the most help? And I think its at the PF position, and the backup center position. And by backup center, I'm talking about someone that can legitimately start if Cousins misses a game, for whatever reason. At PF, we need someone that is special in some way at that position. By special, I mean someone that's a very good rim protector and hopefully a good rebounder. Or someone that can step out, and spread the floor by hitting outside shots. JT is one of those players that's sort of good at everything, but not great at anything. That usually describes a backup player.

I don't think we have this great need at the PG position. I think with the return of Collison next season, and with him playing in Karls system, we'll be fine at PG. I'm sure we'll sign Miller for at least another year, and with less minutes, he should be fine. Would I rather have an elite PG? Of course, but right now, I'd rather plug up some other holes. SG I'm not sure of. If McLemore improves again this offseason, we won't have anything to worry about, but I still think that it's possible that Stauskas will pass him by if he doesn't improve. The main advantage that McLemore has over Stauskas is his athleticism, and the minutes he's getting. Stauskas is a better ballhandler, and in time you'll see he's a better shooter, plus he does a lot of little things that McLemore doesn't do.

To believe that one or both will fill the hole there for next season is a bit of a gamble. But if your going to go out and get a veteran, you take minutes away from one of McLemore or Stauskas. I think at that point, you have to trade one of them. By the way, my knock on McLemore at Kansas, was his inconsistent shooting, and at times his lack of aggression in games. There were games where he just disappeared. Any of that sound familiar?

What a burden. :rolleyes:

But in all seriousness, I'd love for the Kings to include either Ben or Stauskas in a deal to bring in some proven talent. When your a team as bad as the Kings, having players like Andre Miller who are established NBA players can do wonders, even if their past their prime.
 
I'm just keeping it real, bajaden. Get away from all of the politics for a second. Some of the players on this team honestly aren't terrible, but they don't help, and to be real they actually hurt the team by being on the floor instead of someone else. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to know this. You ever heard of addition by subtraction?

Yes, I've heard of addition by subtraction. Except you have to replace the subtracted players with better players or what's the point. I could probably trade JT tomorrow, but you probably wouldn't like the deal I made, and that's the problem. I'm not against replacing the players you listed. We agree on a lot things in that regard. But I also know that its easier said than done. The problem isn't JT, its his contract. Same with Landry. I think it should be easier to move Landry than it is JT because Landry is really good at something. You give him that 15 to 18 foot shot, and he'll kill you with it. There are a lot of teams that would love to have Landry. But its his contract that's the bitter pill.

I honestly don't know why people want McCallum gone. I think for the most part, he's doing a pretty darned good job for a backup PG, who was a second round pick, with only one year of experience under his belt, being forced into the starting PG role. Would you prefer him as a backup? Of course! But to say we need to get rid of him is a bit extreme. He's making very little money, and one could argue that were more than getting our money's worth out of him right now. I think the PG position is the hardest position to learn in the NBA. It is my opinion, that it can take up to five years before a player reaches his full potential at that position. Not always, but it not unusual either. This is McCallum's second year. A bit premature to just up and dump him don't you think?

Now, as far as politics, not sure what your talking about. My response to your calling players garbage wasn't politics. It's about respect. You want me to respect your opinion, and your a bright guy, then be civil. Don't call people, who aren't going to read this, or respond to it, garbage. My grandmother told me a long time ago, if you won't say it to their face, then don't say it behind their backs because that's what cowards do. Not saying your a coward. Just saying that you lose my respect. If my respect isn't important to you, then have at it, and I'll just put you on my ignore list. I'd prefer not to do that.

That said, in general I agree with you. What we have isn't working. We need some upgrades on the team, or if not upgrades, then players that better fit what Karl is trying to do. Players that better compliment Cousins, make his life easier, and get him easier baskets. As much fun as it is to see him pound his defenders night after night, it also takes a toll on him. So if he could do it little less, and get a few easy baskets without the battle, he'll stay healthy longer, and perhaps even have a longer career. Right now, the ball goes into Cousins, he gets doubled, perhaps even tripled, he looks out at the perimeter, and see's McLemore open, he wonders if this is one of those nights when Ben is on, his gaze moves to the left, and he see's Casspi open, and wonders is this one of those rare times when he's going to hit his shot, and then he says what the hell, I've got a better chance of scoring than they do, and plows into the defense.

Not only is that tough on Cuz, it's extremely predictable. I'd like to see Cuz in the high post a little more. He's so good at putting the ball on the floor. Plus he can see the floor better from there. I just think he has more options from there, including running the P&R, or some give and goes. Plus he takes less of a pounding from there. But we need the right players around him. I just watched the last game (I've been gone), and we didn't lose because they were that much better than us, we lost because of mistakes. Missed shots at the rim. Stupid unforced turnovers. Missed freethrows. In other words, they didn't beat us, we beat ourselves. Take the same team, clean up the mistakes, and we win a lot more games. Another thing that's easier said than done.
 
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