Can the Kings have a winning season next season?

What a burden. :rolleyes:

But in all seriousness, I'd love for the Kings to include either Ben or Stauskas in a deal to bring in some proven talent. When your a team as bad as the Kings, having players like Andre Miller who are established NBA players can do wonders, even if their past their prime.

Hey, I think we agree on something...:eek:
 
Yes, I've heard of addition by subtraction. Except you have to replace the subtracted players with better players or what's the point. I could probably trade JT tomorrow, but you probably wouldn't like the deal I made, and that's the problem. I'm not against replacing the players you listed. We agree on a lot things in that regard. But I also know that its easier said than done. The problem isn't JT, its his contract. Same with Landry. I think it should be easier to move Landry than it is JT because Landry is really good at something. You give him that 15 to 18 foot shot, and he'll kill you with it. There are a lot of teams that would love to have Landry. But its his contract that's the bitter pill.

I honestly don't know why people want McCallum gone. I think for the most part, he's doing a pretty darned good job for a backup PG, who was a second round pick, with only one year of experience under his belt, being forced into the starting PG role. Would you prefer him as a backup? Of course! But to say we need to get rid of him is a bit extreme. He's making very little money, and one could argue that were more than getting our money's worth out of him right now. I think the PG position is the hardest position to learn in the NBA. It is my opinion, that it can take up to five years before a player reaches his full potential at that position. Not always, but it not unusual either. This is McCallum's second year. A bit premature to just up and dump him don't you think?

Now, as far as politics, not sure what your talking about. My response to your calling players garbage wasn't politics. It's about respect. You want me to respect your opinion, and your a bright guy, then be civil. Don't call people, who aren't going to read this, or respond to it, garbage. My grandmother told me a long time ago, if you won't say it to their face, then don't say it behind their backs because that's what cowards do. Not saying your a coward. Just saying that you lose my respect. If my respect isn't important to you, then have at it, and I'll just put you on my ignore list. I'd prefer not to do that.

That said, in general I agree with you. What we have isn't working. We need some upgrades on the team, or if not upgrades, then players that better fit what Karl is trying to do. Players that better compliment Cousins, make his life easier, and get him easier baskets. As much fun as it is to see him pound his defenders night after night, it also takes a toll on him. So if he could do it little less, and get a few easy baskets without the battle, he'll stay healthy longer, and perhaps even have a longer career. Right now, the ball goes into Cousins, he gets doubled, perhaps even tripled, he looks out at the perimeter, and see's McLemore open, he wonders if this is one of those nights when Ben is on, his gaze moves to the left, and he see's Casspi open, and wonders is this one of those rare times when he's going to hit his shot, and then he says what the hell, I've got a better chance of scoring than they do, and plows into the defense.

Not only is that tough on Cuz, it's extremely predictable. I'd like to see Cuz in the high post a little more. He's so good at putting the ball on the floor. Plus he can see the floor better from there. I just think he has more options from there, including running the P&R, or some give and goes. Plus he takes less of a pounding from there. But we need the right players around him. I just watched the last game (I've been gone), and we didn't lose because they were that much better than us, we lost because of mistakes. Missed shots at the rim. Stupid unforced turnovers. Missed freethrows. In other words, they didn't beat us, we beat ourselves. Take the same team, clean up the mistakes, and we win a lot more games. Another thing that's easier said than done.

Great post, bajaden, and I respect your point of view, but there are a couple of things that I disagree with to an extent. Number one, since you're going to be specific I'll be specific. Jason Thompson. If you don't like when I use the word garbage to describe a player, feel free to replace it with another word, preferably something more along the lines of inadequate, terrible, or sub-standard. This is the NBA. He has been our starting power forward for years, now, amongst countless consecutively horrible seasons. Jason Thompson is not good enough to be a starting power forward in this league, and I'm shocked that you don't realize this. I would love to have him coming off of the bench for nowhere more than 15 minutes a game, but his attitude won't allow it. He's made it abundantly clear throughout his career that he's unhappy when he comes off the bench or isn't given "enough" minutes. I don't like his attitude. I'm among the large majority of Kings fans who can't stand his constant outbursts during games and endless whining to the officials. This team has been called the biggest crybaby in the league and honestly for good reason. I don't want this personality anywhere near my guys, if I'm Coach Karl. His behavior on the court is contagious, and I think that Cousins, our franchise center, along with the entire team for that matter, would benefit greatly from his departure.

Now we'll get into his contract. It's ugly, we all know this. The problem with this isn't so much his contract but the fact that our management feels that throughout all these years that JT has been on the trading block, no offer has been sufficient. With a player like Jason, you take the best you can get, because clearly the league's perspective of him as a contributor in the NBA is completely different than what this FO believes it to be. In other words, we're not getting anything "considerable" in return for Jason, and this is where addition by subtraction comes into play. Give me someone who will work hard, won't complain, and will clean up around the basket. We're not asking for much, and I will repeat, Jason's departure will help this team.
 
Every word of this sentence is libel.

No, it's not. If you do your research you'll come to find that it does not sit well with Jason when he doesn't get the time or amount of touches and shots that he feels he deserves.

http://cowbellkingdom.com/watch-jason-thompson-vents-frustrations-with-sacramento-kings/


"How do you expect me to succeed?"

"Is the grass greener on the other side? I see guys that I've played with, and now they're on playoff teams. They're happy with their situations."

He implied that he thought he would never want to be traded but he talks about how his view on that has changed due to his current situation on the Kings.


I'm sorry but this is just not someone who I want on my team regardless.​
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Except that that's not what you said that he said. You said that he's made it "abundantly clear throughout his career" that he's unhappy when he comes off the bench, or isn't given 'enough' minutes, which is libelous.
 
Except that that's not what you said that he said. You said that he's made it "abundantly clear throughout his career" that he's unhappy when he comes off the bench, or isn't given 'enough' minutes, which is libelous.

Show me something. I'm not just talking about that video, here. Elaborate on your claim and explain why what I implied is libelous and untrue.
 
You said he's "made it clear" that he's unhappy when he comes off the bench. What he actually said was he was fine coming off the bench, if it's working. But, when Patterson was starting ahead of him, it wasn't working. You said that it doesn't sit well with Thompson when he doesn't get the time or amount of touches and shots that "he feels he deserves," when what's closer to what he actually said is that it doesn't sit well with him that been repeatedly jerked around in his situation, and asked to do things that he's not good at, rather than used in a way that he feels he can best help the team.

You also intentionally truncated that "Is the grass greener" quotation, to make it sound like he wanted out, when what he actually said was more along the lines of, there's only so many times you can hear people say that they want to get rid of you, before you start to wonder if maybe you really would be better off somewhere else?

That's why it's libelous. You deliberately put spin on his legitimate frustrations, to make it sound like he's a malcontent.
 
You said he's "made it clear" that he's unhappy when he comes off the bench. What he actually said was he was fine coming off the bench, if it's working. But, when Patterson was starting ahead of him, it wasn't working. You said that it doesn't sit well with Thompson when he doesn't get the time or amount of touches and shots that "he feels he deserves," when what's closer to what he actually said is that it doesn't sit well with him that been repeatedly jerked around in his situation, and asked to do things that he's not good at, rather than used in a way that he feels he can best help the team.

You also intentionally truncated that "Is the grass greener" quotation, to make it sound like he wanted out, when what he actually said was more along the lines of, there's only so many times you can hear people say that they want to get rid of you, before you start to wonder if maybe you really would be better off somewhere else?

That's why it's libelous. You deliberately put spin on his legitimate frustrations, to make it sound like he's a malcontent.

th
 
I hardly think that Jason Thompson is a cancer in the clubhouse, dude came into the season in the best shape of his life and played the best ball of his career.

If he was venting his frustrations, the management has given him plenty of reasons to vent. I mean...all he's known is losing here, constant change in head coaches, ownership fiasco, this years clusterF with the Malone firing, the losing, the losing, did I mention the losing? I don't even think he would have a problem with them bringing in other guys to challenge or take his position as that is a part of improving a team and he's a pro who seemingly has accepted all challenges.

Hardly a problem.
 
Jason Thompson is a very good player, and in no way responsible for the Kings continued failures. For the one thousandth time, he is a quality role player who hustles, plays solid defense, picks up boards, and can give you points efficiently when defenses give him a shot.

To all the fans griping about how bad this team is, spewing anger at the FO, and then calling JT cancer or garbage: you are a FAN. You watch the team for entertainment, and are justifiably upset at gross mismanagement. This is Jason's CAREER. He obviously worked incredibly hard to make it to the NBA, and I think anyone would be upset a good amount by spending 7 years working for a horrible mismanaged organization. Yes, he calls out bad decisions made by the team and voices discontent, but it's always stated very reasonably and thoughtfully - more than can be said for his detractors on this board. For what he's been through in Sac, his attitude and behavior should be commended, not torn down.

Although he is overpaid, but that's another issue entirely.
 
Like I said, I don't have a problem with Jason coming off the bench for us. As a starting five, however, not so much. The players that I mainly have a problem with include the likes of Ray McCallum, Omri Casspi, Derrick Williams, etc. etc. At least JT is serviceable and doesn't hurt the team while being out there. Ray is not good enough to be the primary backup point guard on a good team. Ben McLemore continues to play his way into that list as well.
 
Jason Thompson is a very good player, and in no way responsible for the Kings continued failures. For the one thousandth time, he is a quality role player who hustles, plays solid defense, picks up boards, and can give you points efficiently when defenses give him a shot.

To all the fans griping about how bad this team is, spewing anger at the FO, and then calling JT cancer or garbage: you are a FAN. You watch the team for entertainment, and are justifiably upset at gross mismanagement. This is Jason's CAREER. He obviously worked incredibly hard to make it to the NBA, and I think anyone would be upset a good amount by spending 7 years working for a horrible mismanaged organization. Yes, he calls out bad decisions made by the team and voices discontent, but it's always stated very reasonably and thoughtfully - more than can be said for his detractors on this board. For what he's been through in Sac, his attitude and behavior should be commended, not torn down.

Although he is overpaid, but that's another issue entirely.

i don't think he's overpaid. i hope we ship him to san antonio so he can showcase his skills in a positive stable environment. he deserves better than this retarded situation of pace, 3.0, leaky roof, organization instability.
 
3 pages in and no discussion of our draft pick?

It definitely looks like we're keeping the pick this year, and it will likely be a very early selection. We hit with that pick and we can potentially make an immediate jump with a star player.

With our best players on multi-year contracts, adding a high pick now and having the offseason to load up the roster (even one good signing makes a huge difference) and we're good.

That's really all it is. One pick + a chance to acquire one more player in the offseason. If we hit we'll be good next year, if not, we can't win, because our talent is too thin.

Our only stretch of half decent basketball came (1) with DMC - Gay - Collison being healthy at the same time (for the only time all season), (2) with Malone on the bench and no franchise-wide chaos, and (3) with teams not expecting a challenge from us.

I'd rather have Malone right now and be able to undo his firing, but even in that scenario I think we're better off with a bad record. If we want to contend with the players we have right now, we need to add more talent before next season, and this upcoming draft might be the last best and final chance to add the player we need to make the jump.
 
I'm watching the Pelicans vs Suns game right now. Boy how I would LOVE to see Asik play with Cousins.
 
Great post, bajaden, and I respect your point of view, but there are a couple of things that I disagree with to an extent. Number one, since you're going to be specific I'll be specific. Jason Thompson. If you don't like when I use the word garbage to describe a player, feel free to replace it with another word, preferably something more along the lines of inadequate, terrible, or sub-standard. This is the NBA. He has been our starting power forward for years, now, amongst countless consecutively horrible seasons. Jason Thompson is not good enough to be a starting power forward in this league, and I'm shocked that you don't realize this. I would love to have him coming off of the bench for nowhere more than 15 minutes a game, but his attitude won't allow it. He's made it abundantly clear throughout his career that he's unhappy when he comes off the bench or isn't given "enough" minutes. I don't like his attitude. I'm among the large majority of Kings fans who can't stand his constant outbursts during games and endless whining to the officials. This team has been called the biggest crybaby in the league and honestly for good reason. I don't want this personality anywhere near my guys, if I'm Coach Karl. His behavior on the court is contagious, and I think that Cousins, our franchise center, along with the entire team for that matter, would benefit greatly from his departure.

Now we'll get into his contract. It's ugly, we all know this. The problem with this isn't so much his contract but the fact that our management feels that throughout all these years that JT has been on the trading block, no offer has been sufficient. With a player like Jason, you take the best you can get, because clearly the league's perspective of him as a contributor in the NBA is completely different than what this FO believes it to be. In other words, we're not getting anything "considerable" in return for Jason, and this is where addition by subtraction comes into play. Give me someone who will work hard, won't complain, and will clean up around the basket. We're not asking for much, and I will repeat, Jason's departure will help this team.

Well, your getting closer to understanding what I'm saying. Just not quite there. If you knew me well enough, and had read posts that I've made over the last few years, you'd know that I've said many times that JT is best suited as a backup center on the team. There was a time, early on in his career when I thought he had a chance to be a good starting PF in the league. But as time went on, it became apparent, that wasn't the case. So you misunderstand me if you think I want JT as our starting PF. I think one of the easiest fixes on the team is to acquire a starting PF, either through the draft, trade, or freeagency, and then move JT to the bench to be the primary backup center, and emergency backup PF. One new body added, and two areas of need fixed.

Now, I couldn't disagree more with your description of JT. For one thing, what JT does on the court pales by comparison to what Cousins does. JT has always been a classy guy and has been jerked around more than any player on the team. If you ever met the man, you wouldn't be saying what your saying. If you want to criticize his play on the court, that's fine. But JT is a total class act as a person, and his complaints aren't any worse than any other player in the league that complains. As a matter of fact, JT has toned down his complaining from what it was a couple of years ago. Most times, he's frustrated with himself
 
Back
Top