Brockman ?

I think that he is gone now if we want to have good minutes for our new guys. I loved Brockman but he is undersized and we are getting bigger.
 
Can you really be too tough? The good thing is Brockman won't cry about minutes, won't cost too much, and can contribute when needed. I think he can and will be the roster along with all those other guys. 12th man.
 
I think he'll be back. Westphal said if there's two guys he wants back as his 11th/12th men it's him and Ime. We still have more than a few positions to fill so unless another team steps in, and they might, I think he'll be back.
 
Francisco d'Anconia said:
Can you really be too tough? The good thing is Brockman won't cry about minutes, won't cost too much, and can contribute when needed. I think he can and will be the roster along with all those other guys. 12th man.
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Absolutely agree. He is the IDEAL 12th man. Always good for the practice squad. A mature mentor type of player. A culture guy. There as a backup in case of injury. Can contribute in unique situations and rebound like a monster on short order. He still might be the best rebounder we have per minute.
 
The Hammer said:
Absolutely agree. He is the IDEAL 12th man. Always good for the practice squad. A mature mentor type of player. A culture guy. There as a backup in case of injury. Can contribute in unique situations and rebound like a monster on short order. He still might be the best rebounder we have per minute.
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I love Brock and hope he stays but honestly speaking for his career it would be better to leave and get minutes..
 
I love Brockman but he won't see minutes behind Cousins, JT, Landry and Dalembert. He barely saw minutes last season, and now there is officially no more room for him. I'm not sure how the hell we're going to find minutes for all 4 as it is, yet alone Brockman tbh. All 4 players are used to big minutes, and Cousins is our guy for the future so he better get big minutes. I think Dalembert is going to be the odd man out in all honesty, probably getting around 20 minutes a game. Maybe he's actually trade bait for the future. Perhaps a sign and trade for a free agent.

I would love for him to stay, but would rather see him go somewhere where he can get playing time.
 
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With Whiteside so raw and 2nd Rounder he should be 11th man for this year.
We need a 3 pt shooting starting SG thru FA
Garcia can back up the SG/SF
Brock and a Min Sal FA/Vet PG as 12th and 13th Man

10 Man Rotation
Delambert/Cousins (until Cousins is ready)
Landry.JT(depending on matchups)
Greene/Casspi(the two battle it out)
New SG/Garcia
Reke/Beno

11th Whiteside(maybe on tall PF once in a while),12th Brock(If cousins fouls out and we need a banger), 13 Insurance PG(only if PG ingury)

Im sure there will be all sorts of Free Agency threads starting up
We need a defensive SG that can shoot the 3 pt
(Yeah I know sounds like Garcia - but better?)
 
SacTownKid said:
I think he'll be back. Westphal said if there's two guys he wants back as his 11th/12th men it's him and Ime. We still have more than a few positions to fill so unless another team steps in, and they might, I think he'll be back.
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Ime? Really? This has been a great night for the kings so I'm going to pretend I didn't read that.
 
I really don't think he's going anywhere. He's been in Sacramento at the practice facility basically everyday since Kings season ended. He's been in the conversation of the Kings brass, including Petrie and Wesphal, whe talking about the Kings going forward. He himself has talked about being on the team. Its all a matter of waiting for July 1st to start free agent conversations.
 
What the hell are we going to do with Cousins, JT, Landry, Whiteside, Dalembert, AND Brockman? That doesn't make any sense. Half our active roster only able to play PF or C? That's just plain dumb.
 
SacKings384 said:
What the hell are we going to do with Cousins, JT, Landry, Whiteside, Dalembert, AND Brockman? That doesn't make any sense. Half our active roster only able to play PF or C? That's just plain dumb.
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For the last decade, at least half of our roster have been able to play 2 or 3. What's so crazy about almost half of them being able to play 4 or 5?
 
sdballer said:
Ime? Really? This has been a great night for the kings so I'm going to pretend I didn't read that.
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I absolutely hated Ime most of last season

that being said, hes a decent 12th man for practice reasons/in case of injury..

how is he worse than Morrison or Powell on the Lakers or Scalabrine and Williams on the Celtics (both champ teams)

those are the 11th and 12th man type players

I think we still should resign Brockman because 1) he's cheap 2) character 3) he's a good guy to have around our core and practice 4) Whiteside probably isn't going to be ready to contribute next year and will spend a significant amount of time in the NBDL
 
SacKings384 said:
What the hell are we going to do with Cousins, JT, Landry, Whiteside, Dalembert, AND Brockman? That doesn't make any sense. Half our active roster only able to play PF or C? That's just plain dumb.
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We have quite a bit of versibility on our team

Tyreke and Beno can play the 1 or 2
Cisco can play the 1 at times
Greene does a good job at the 2
 
fnordius said:
For the last decade, at least half of our roster have been able to play 2 or 3. What's so crazy about almost half of them being able to play 4 or 5?
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2's and 3's are much more flexible. 2's can generally be placed at 1,2, or 3 if need be. 3's can be placed at the 2, or if you're Cisco the 1 and 2. You're talking about a player (Dalembert) that can only play C, and Landry who can only play 4 if we expect to play any defense or rebound. Then you have JT, who can play both but is CLEARLY better at the 4, and then Cousins who is best suited for the 5. So what would we have? Beno at the 1, Evans at the 2, and Omri? Then our bench (for 1-3) would consist of Donte (clearly suited for the 3 and sometimes 4, not the 1 or 2), Cisco, and Udoka?

That's not even including whoever we sign with the cap room. So why keep Brockman when he isn't going to get playing time, when we could add someone who could actually make an impact on the floor as a backup 1,2, or 3?
 
If Dalembert is not in our future plans but we'd like to keep Brock then either deal Dally now or hold off until the end of the season and not renew his contract. One season might be a little weird but we could keep Brock from it.
 
We need him to build the mental aspect of the team. If anyone slack..Brock is going to take over. It's not how big you are but how big you play.
 
I think this draft likely seals Brockman for now and in the future as a 12th man type, not a rotation player. But that is really what he was always built for anyway. And I think he really can be an excellent 12th man type -- which is an odd statement, what exactly is an "excellent 12th man type"? Well, good guy, good teammate, works hard, good practice player, good chemistry guy, and yet competent when called upon, brings toughness, and a fan favorite. So while it looks unlikely we'll ever really need him to play big minutes after this recent bonanza, I am fully in favor of keeping him around to "play 12th man" in both the short and long term.
 
Brockman will be back. The Kings would not be trotting him around to all these events if they weren't planning on signing him. He's not just being at these events of his own free will. It's partially that, and the Kings asking him because the fans love him. He's been at a number of Kings events lately.

He'll be taking fat boys place. Can't remember his name. the guy from NC.
 
Never saw him as more than a 5th or 6th big for practices and energy spurts.
Now that he actually will be one, and not play significant minutes, speaks well for the team.
 
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2's and 3's are much more flexible. 2's can generally be placed at 1,2, or 3 if need be. 3's can be placed at the 2, or if you're Cisco the 1 and 2. You're talking about a player (Dalembert) that can only play C, and Landry who can only play 4 if we expect to play any defense or rebound. Then you have JT, who can play both but is CLEARLY better at the 4, and then Cousins who is best suited for the 5. So what would we have? Beno at the 1, Evans at the 2, and Omri? Then our bench (for 1-3) would consist of Donte (clearly suited for the 3 and sometimes 4, not the 1 or 2), Cisco, and Udoka?

That's not even including whoever we sign with the cap room. So why keep Brockman when he isn't going to get playing time, when we could add someone who could actually make an impact on the floor as a backup 1,2, or 3?
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You're overlooking the fact that many 2-3 types are terrible at playing the point. Peja, Cuttino, Kevin Martin, Omri are examples of guys who no coach should ever consider having play the point. Right now we have two combo guards. Tyreke could play the 3, but with our roster, never will. Garcia can play the 1 in an emergency, but we found out a while ago that it doesn't work out for more than very occasional minutes. The other guys on our roster who can play the 2 or 3 would be even worse choices than Garcia.

By my reckoning, you should have 2 guys for each position, plus a few who can play at least occasional minutes at a couple of different positions, so that you have a practical depth of 3 players at any given position. Right now we've got:

1: Udrih, Evans, Garcia (sort of)
2. Udrih, Evans, Garcia, Greene, Casspi
3. Greene, Casspi, Landry, Garcia, Evans
4. JT, Landry, Brockman
5. Dalembert, Cousins (JT or Brockman possibly against particular lineups)

I don't think that Whiteside is ready to play significant minutes yet.

This is with 11 guys on our roster (no replacements for May, McGuire or Udoka yet).

I'd argue that our major weakness is now at the 1, and that a third combo guard would be a fine idea. So let's say we get two combo guards, and pick up yet another G/F just so we can have Geoff's lucky number (14) on our roster. See any gaps? I don't.

In the next year, we're probably going to lose at least one of Landry and/or Dalembert. Whiteside will hopefully be ready to take up a lot of that slack, making it:
4. JT, Whiteside, Brockman
5. Cousins, Whiteside (JT or Brockman under some circumstances)

I really don't see any logjam there, that looks about right to me. If we were to let both Dalembert and Landry walk, we might even want one more PF/C or combo F next year.
 
DoDiGaG0 said:
I absolutely hated Ime most of last season

that being said, hes a decent 12th man for practice reasons/in case of injury..

how is he worse than Morrison or Powell on the Lakers or Scalabrine and Williams on the Celtics (both champ teams)

those are the 11th and 12th man type players

I think we still should resign Brockman because 1) he's cheap 2) character 3) he's a good guy to have around our core and practice 4) Whiteside probably isn't going to be ready to contribute next year and will spend a significant amount of time in the NBDL
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My problem with Ime is that he isn't used as a 11 or 12 man. He's Westphals pet, takes time away from the kids and doesn't do enough to warrant it. So, yeah, if he's there to bring a strong practice mentality, toughness, etc., great. If he's going to play 15 minutes a game, no thanks.
 
From the chat that just concluded with Ms. Voison:

Ailene Voisin, Sac Bee:
I spoke with Jon Brockman for a few minutes before the draft. The Kings made a qualifying offer, which I suspect he will take. With the roster moves, though, his role figures to be further diminished.
 
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