Bravo, Stern

[Glenn]

The Kings were fairly directly told that they would NOT receive revenue sharing from the rich teams if they merely sat on their butts and expected to get this money to pay off other debts. They were told indirectly and maybe directly that they had to try to improve their team with the added revenue inflow or the BOG would not authorize revenue sharing to the Kings.

The result is clear and I think cause and effect is as clear as anyone could see. The Kings are now butting up against the salary cap instead of just sneaking over the minimum. I give credit to Stern for this. He is our ally. Who knows what other threats were involved and never were revealed in the media. I would not be surprised if the pressure to sell, even against their will, has been hinted at but that is conjecture and a whole lot of wishful thinking. So, folks, we can question the moves that have been made which is exactly what this forum is for but we are NOT complaining that no moves are being made and no money is being spent.

Hence, a major shout out to Mr. David Stern.

 

[NoBonus]

Here, here!

 

[hrdboild]

It's a mixed blessing I'd say. I'm happy they're finally spending money (even if someone is twisting their arm to do it) but if you remember the dark ages of 2004 to 2010 or so, Petrie can actually be more dangerous when he has the green light to spend money. He has a bad habit of scooping up role players nobody else wants and overpaying them.

 

[ArcoKings]

If the Maloofs would have spent more money on a better head coach the team would be a lot farther in their rebuilding 'program.'

 

[Spike]

If the Maloofs would have spent more money on a better head coach the team would be a lot farther in their rebuilding 'program.'

Totally agree - too bad there isn't a minimum satisfactory salary requirement for coaches...hmm, I may be on to something.

 

[kingjatt]

they have really only spent a little more than they had too. and next year the salary floor will be even higher around 90 percent of the projected 60 mil cap so in reality they havent spent like crazy.
is it just me or does the FO/magoofs have a habit for focusing soley on trying to find diamonds in the rough aka cheap players who over perform rather than focus on building a team and over paying sometimes for proven talent? its like they found a couple of bargins and think they can run an organization on it. a couple years ago our payroll was around 30 million, this year its going to be 57 million, and we will still be a bottom feeder. they need to stop this bargin hunting and focus on building a winner and hirarchy within the roster.

 

[Uk kings fan]

kings enter howard race

 

[HereWeBoogie]

its too bad the maloofs and petrie found a way to spend that money and still make our team probably no better

 

[Capt. Factorial]

It's a mixed blessing I'd say. I'm happy they're finally spending money (even if someone is twisting their arm to do it) but if you remember the dark ages of 2004 to 2010 or so, Petrie can actually be more dangerous when he has the green light to spend money. He has a bad habit of scooping up role players nobody else wants and overpaying them.

I think we're safe on that count so far. I don't think we can look at a 5/$30M contract for JT or a 2/$6M+ contract for Aaron Brooks as overpaying. James Johnson is on the last year of his rookie deal. and we're out of cap space without a full MLE (only the room exception, which is about half that). Not much opportunity to overpay from here on out!

 

[hrdboild]

I think we're safe on that count so far. I don't think we can look at a 5/$30M contract for JT or a 2/$6M+ contract for Aaron Brooks as overpaying. James Johnson is on the last year of his rookie deal. and we're out of cap space without a full MLE (only the room exception, which is about half that). Not much opportunity to overpay from here on out!

Certainly it could have been worse. But looking at the salary list funkykingston posted in the other topic (here) --

Thornton: $7.6 million
Robinson: $3.4 million
Brooks: $3.3 million
Salmons: $8.1 million
Hayes: $5.5 million
Fredette: $2.4 million
Outlaw: $3.0 million
Garcia: $6.1 million
Honeycutt: $0.9 million

That's a $40 million bench. None of those contracts individually is too outrageous (well, except for Salmons) but considering half of these guys will never leave the bench, we're not getting a lot of bang for our buck here.

 

[Bricklayer]

Its difficult to hit a 60mil salary cap with no player above an 8.1mil contract. Means a lot of youth and a lot of mediocrity.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Certainly it could have been worse. But looking at the salary list funkykingston posted in the other topic (here) --

Thornton: $7.6 million
Robinson: $3.4 million
Brooks: $3.3 million
Salmons: $8.1 million
Hayes: $5.5 million
Fredette: $2.4 million
Outlaw: $3.0 million
Garcia: $6.1 million
Honeycutt: $0.9 million

That's a $40 million bench. None of those contracts individually is too outrageous (well, except for Salmons) but considering half of these guys will never leave the bench, we're not getting a lot of bang for our buck here.

I see what you're saying about bench money, but keep in mind that our two big contracts (Evans, Cousins) are still on their rookie deals. Two years from now, barring a trade of either of those two, our money distribution is going to look a lot different. Garcia will be gone, Salmons' final year will get waived, Brooks will be gone...

We'll presumably look more like this:
Cousins $$$$
Evans $$$
Thornton 1/8.7
Thompson 3/6.0
Hayes 1/6.0
Robinson 2/3.7
Jimmer 1/3.3
Outlaw 1/3.0

And that's the extent of the committed money we have, as of now. I think that looks more like the standard distribution, and it's reasonable to think that Hayes and/or Thornton and/or somebody else may get traded out. We are kind of in the situation where we're betting on a big two of Cousins/Evans to be able to anchor a contender, with hopefully Robinson and one other big contributor, be that Thornton, or somebody we trade for or draft.

So our money distribution looks a bit weird now, but I think that's partly because we have two hopeful stars on rookie deals and we have a difficult if not impossible time luring big free agent talent being a losing team in a small market. I'm not sure there was a reasonable way to avoid this distribution of the time being, outside of trading Evans and Cousins for established stars, and I don't think many around here would be down for that - especially with Cousins (some would ship off Evans for peanuts).

 

[funkykingston]

That's pretty much the same view I take of the salary numbers - that they are skewed because Evans and Cousins (and IT assuming he starts) are relative bargains on their rookie deals.

But my larger point with the salary breakdown in the other thread is that that temporary situation of having your best talent be on rookie deals SHOULD allow the team to surround them with much better complimentary pieces than what this organization has done. Garcia is ostensibly the 11th man on this team (just ahead of Honeycutt I'd guess) and he's going to be making $6.1 million. More importantly, the free agent signings the team has made (Hayes, Outlaw, Brooks), some of the trades they've made (Salmons) and even the latest draft pick (Robinson) can't really be argued as great compliments to a core of Cousins and Evans (and possibly Thornton if you want to include him).

I can understand the odd money distribution the team currently operates under, but my issue is that the team should have taken advantage of that situation with better fitting role players.

 

[hrdboild]

Well regardless of what the rookie contract situation is, $40 million ought to buy you a lot more than what we've done with it. Like finding a third option scorer to pair with Evans and Cousins for instance or some kind of defensive presence down low. True a lot of these contracts are going to come off the books in the next two years, but my point was that I don't have a lot of confidence in Petrie spending that money wisely considering how he's spent it in the past. I don't understand why he's in such a hurry to re-sign guys like Beno Udrih, Francisco Garcia, and Jason Thompson to generous contract extensions when they haven't done much to help us win. Teams like Brooklyn and Miami have got it right -- go after your big pieces first and you can fill out your bench with mimimum salary players who want to be a part of a winning team.

 

[kingjatt]

Well regardless of what the rookie contract situation is, $40 million ought to buy you a lot more than what we've done with it. Like finding a third option scorer to pair with Evans and Cousins for instance or some kind of defensive presence down low. True a lot of these contracts are going to come off the books in the next two years, but my point was that I don't have a lot of confidence in Petrie spending that money wisely considering how he's spent it in the past. I don't understand why he's in such a hurry to re-sign guys like Beno Udrih, Francisco Garcia, and Jason Thompson to generous contract extensions when they haven't done much to help us win. Teams like Brooklyn and Miami have got it right -- go after your big pieces first and you can fill out your bench with mimimum salary players who want to be a part of a winning team.

As it was pointed out before you need a couple of max guys a third option north of 10 million and a bunch of 1-3 million vet guys, not the way we have it structured.

 

[Chupacabra]

We'll have our hands full once we resign Tyreke and DEFINITELY when we resign Cousins. This team is going to throw the bank at Cousins.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Certainly it could have been worse. But looking at the salary list funkykingston posted in the other topic (here) --

Thornton: $7.6 million
Robinson: $3.4 million
Brooks: $3.3 million
Salmons: $8.1 million
Hayes: $5.5 million
Fredette: $2.4 million
Outlaw: $3.0 million
Garcia: $6.1 million
Honeycutt: $0.9 million

That's a $40 million bench. None of those contracts individually is too outrageous (well, except for Salmons) but considering half of these guys will never leave the bench, we're not getting a lot of bang for our buck here.

19.7 Mil being spent on Hayes, Salmons and Garcia. WOW. HORRIBLE!!!!

 

[Glenn]

As it was pointed out before you need a couple of max guys a third option north of 10 million and a bunch of 1-3 million vet guys, not the way we have it structured.

The only way you can get a bunch of cheap but good vets on the bench is if you are a team expected to go deep into the playoffs. Maybe there are other ways but this is a factor. We can't get people to come here as the franchise's instability is league wide known.

I agree with your point but can the Kings do this?

 

[Prince_XY]

The Kings were fairly directly told that they would NOT receive revenue sharing from the rich teams if they merely sat on their butts and expected to get this money to pay off other debts. They were told indirectly and maybe directly that they had to try to improve their team with the added revenue inflow or the BOG would not authorize revenue sharing to the Kings.

The result is clear and I think cause and effect is as clear as anyone could see. The Kings are now butting up against the salary cap instead of just sneaking over the minimum. I give credit to Stern for this. He is our ally. Who knows what other threats were involved and never were revealed in the media. I would not be surprised if the pressure to sell, even against their will, has been hinted at but that is conjecture and a whole lot of wishful thinking. So, folks, we can question the moves that have been made which is exactly what this forum is for but we are NOT complaining that no moves are being made and no money is being spent.

Hence, a major shout out to Mr. David Stern.

Site or source where you got this please.

Also, when did this particular meeting (for the sole purpose of reminding the Maloofs) happen?

It looks like this is a general understanding of the rules and each teams were told to do this. And then someone not too impressed with the Maloofs made it look like the Maloofs were somewhat reprimanded.

 

[King Baller]

The Kings were fairly directly told that they would NOT receive revenue sharing from the rich teams if they merely sat on their butts and expected to get this money to pay off other debts. They were told indirectly and maybe directly that they had to try to improve their team with the added revenue inflow or the BOG would not authorize revenue sharing to the Kings.

The result is clear and I think cause and effect is as clear as anyone could see. The Kings are now butting up against the salary cap instead of just sneaking over the minimum. I give credit to Stern for this. He is our ally. Who knows what other threats were involved and never were revealed in the media. I would not be surprised if the pressure to sell, even against their will, has been hinted at but that is conjecture and a whole lot of wishful thinking. So, folks, we can question the moves that have been made which is exactly what this forum is for but we are NOT complaining that no moves are being made and no money is being spent.

Hence, a major shout out to Mr. David Stern.

Source? While I love what is said here, A link to a valid source is needed.

KB

 

[kingjatt]

The only way you can get a bunch of cheap but good vets on the bench is if you are a team expected to go deep into the playoffs. Maybe there are other ways but this is a factor. We can't get people to come here as the franchise's instability is league wide known.

I agree with your point but can the Kings do this?

you figure out your cornerstones (reke and cuz) and maintain cap flexibility until they develop into max guys.

you follow the mavs MO which is throw big money at guys but focus on limiting length 1-3 years with team options or buyouts until those cornerstones develop maintaining flexibility until you figure out what types of pieces are needed to surrounded them (shotblocking, shooting etc.)

you DO NOT pick up long deals on scrubs or non playoff caliber players ie hayes,salmons, outlaw, and maybe even JT.

Spend big on a proven longtime coach who implements an offensive and defensive system and holds young players accountable as well as commands respect.

Nobody see's a clear or even fuzzy plan being executed by the FO and its been that way for 8ish years.

Its been said here before. Petrie doesnt act, he reacts.

 

[Warhawk]

Source? While I love what is said here, A link to a valid source is needed.

KB

Stern also warned that the Kings would be making a mistake if they rely on the league's new revenue-sharing program to make do at Power Balance. The program, which redistributes money from wealthier teams to less lucrative franchises, can be altered by a vote of league owners.

"I think that is a mistaken calculation by them," Stern said. "I don't think that is what the revenue sharing is meant for."

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/04/28/4449510/city-may-get-new-arena-but-it.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Hoovtrain]

Now if he can only make them spend it wisely.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Well regardless of what the rookie contract situation is, $40 million ought to buy you a lot more than what we've done with it. Like finding a third option scorer to pair with Evans and Cousins for instance...

Marcus Thornton holds up his hands and asks, "What am I, chopped liver?"

 

[Glenn]

Site or source where you got this please.

Also, when did this particular meeting (for the sole purpose of reminding the Maloofs) happen?

It looks like this is a general understanding of the rules and each teams were told to do this. And then someone not too impressed with the Maloofs made it look like the Maloofs were somewhat reprimanded.

Here's part of it.

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/04/28/4449510/city-may-get-new-arena-but-it.html

I don't believe I ever said there was a meeting where they were reprimanded. That's your addition so there is no link to anything. There is a lot of discussion of this subject on this forum.

Stern also warned that the Kings would be making a mistake if they rely on the league's new revenue-sharing program to make do at Power Balance. The program, which redistributes money from wealthier teams to less lucrative franchises, can be altered by a vote of league owners.

"I think that is a mistaken calculation by them," Stern said. "I don't think that is what the revenue sharing is meant for."

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/04/28/4449510/city-may-get-new-arena-but-it.html#storylink=cpy

I hope this is satisfactory. I don't make things up.

 

[ParniValjak]

they have really only spent a little more than they had too. and next year the salary floor will be even higher around 90 percent of the projected 60 mil cap so in reality they havent spent like crazy.
is it just me or does the FO/magoofs have a habit for focusing soley on trying to find diamonds in the rough aka cheap players who over perform rather than focus on building a team and over paying sometimes for proven talent? its like they found a couple of bargins and think they can run an organization on it. a couple years ago our payroll was around 30 million, this year its going to be 57 million, and we will still be a bottom feeder. they need to stop this bargin hunting and focus on building a winner and hirarchy within the roster.

No its not just you. I have made a point of this a number of times. Given the money we have invested in the likes of Salmons, Hayes, Outlaw, Garcia, Brooks (not a bad deal just a bad fit) we dead set could have 2 perennial all-stars on the roster or 3 VERY VERY good players. Those would make a heck of a lot more difference than that sorry lot.

Stern might have pushed the Maloofs to spend in order to get the revenue sharing BUT the Kings sure the hell sabotaged the spending. They did spend but they did not improve the team which is their way of saying "Hey look we are spending money to improve but we are not getting enough revenue in Sacramento despite our efforts to improve the team so we no longer can stay there!"

 

[Glenn]

The Kings have to find diamonds in the rough because no bonafied star would choose willingly to come here. Or they would demand far more than their market value. This is nothing new. This is Sacramento for one thing and a team owned by the Maloofs as a second thing. Skilled players are not lining up to sign cheap in order to get themselves a ring.