Brad Miller

[HighFlyingMonkey]

With Spencer Hawes on board, I think we should look to move Brad for a shorter contract, regardless of the talent we get back. Something like Brad to Toronto for Rasho and Humphries. Then use Artest to dump Thomas to New York for Lee, Rose, and filler. That way, we have Bibby, Rose, and Rasho all expire in 2009. By then, we should have our young core in place (especially with lotto picks in 08 and 09) to sign some free agents.

Any other ideas on a Brad dump?

 

[cfechter]

With Spencer Hawes on board, I think we should look to move Brad for a shorter contract, regardless of the talent we get back. Something like Brad to Toronto for Rasho and Humphries. Then use Artest to dump Thomas to New York for Lee, Rose, and filler. That way, we have Bibby, Rose, and Rasho all expire in 2009. By then, we should have our young core in place (especially with lotto picks in 08 and 09) to sign some free agents.

Any other ideas on a Brad dump?

This has been kicked around a bit and the consensus is he is completely untradeable at the present moment.

Think about it logically, who would take a 7 footer due over 34 million for the next three years, who just went through an injury filled, unproductive campaign? Our best hope of moving him is having him go back to pre-2006 production for the first half of next season and then perhaps moving him.

other than that, completely untradeable.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I think Brad is unmovable right now. I like the idea of moving him to the PF spot where he was very productive while filling in for an injured C-Webb a few years back with Vlade at the 5. I think that when Brad doesnt have to be the only big in the game, his production goes up because it allows him breathing room, where when he is the only big in the game, he has to do everything, including rebound and clog the middle...which he is below average at doing. Brad is a passing/shooting big man, obviously, much like Vlade was...and now that we have Hawes, I'd like to see them move Brad back to the 4 and allow him the ability to create more, which would also allow Hawes the same, IMO.(not that his game is totally NBA ready yet, but its better than anything we had this last season) With both Brad and Hawes in the game, that also allows for Ron to operate more in the low post, and with his size at the 3, is where he needs to be anyways.

 

[vfettke]

i have a feeling that Miller and Hawes at the 4 and 5 respectively could actually be a pretty nice offensive duo. nothing spectacular, but i think they'll get the job done

 

[HighFlyingMonkey]

i have a feeling that Miller and Hawes at the 4 and 5 respectively could actually be a pretty nice offensive duo. nothing spectacular, but i think they'll get the job done

Yeah, if their job is to get us into the lottery

 

[Gary]

I think Brad is unmovable right now. I like the idea of moving him to the PF spot where he was very productive while filling in for an injured C-Webb a few years back with Vlade at the 5. .

Brad can't play PF anymore. He is way too slow. he was too slow a few years ago although he was successful, but a move like that to PF will just be horrible..

BUT it is always worth a try eh? I am interested in seeing if he could still play some PF.

 

[vfettke]

Yeah, if their job is to get us into the lottery

if that's the case i'll cast my all star votes for them right now!

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Brad can't play PF anymore. He is way too slow. he was too slow a few years ago although he was successful, but a move like that to PF will just be horrible..

BUT it is always worth a try eh? I am interested in seeing if he could still play some PF.

Yeah, thats the same reasoning I was thinking, too...hey, you have this guy who you're paying $11 million a year and he had the most success when he played PF a few years back, give him another skilled passing big and see what he can do, even WITH his lack of speed/athletism, he lacked that a few years ago when he was doing this, so hey, its worth a shot, right??

 

[jcassio]

...hey, you have this guy who you're paying $11 million a year and he had the most success when he played PF a few years back, give him another skilled passing big and see what he can do, even WITH his lack of speed/athletism, he lacked that a few years ago when he was doing this, so hey, its worth a shot, right??

I'd have Miller be our first PF/C reserve to come off the bench. I don't think he'd do well in short stints, so he's going to have to get some quality minutes. But Hawes is part of the Kings future (for better or worse) and needs minutes & experience. So he comes first. And Hawes' weaknesses mean we need an athletic defender & shot-blocker at PF. If we can't trade Artest for that guy, then I'd give the job to Justin Williams and see how he does. I mean, really, we can only hope to be fun and competitive and improving. So as long as Williams doesn't embarrass us, what do we have to lose?

 

[Bricklayer]

If the summer of 08-09 free agent target suggested in the Bee article is true, then Brad MUST be moved. Do not think its totally impossible either. Suggested in that thread a deal trading Brad for Jason Collins (contract up in 08-09) and Boston Nachbar (ender). Its pretty hard to imagine a team like New Jeresy saying no to such a deal. They have no frontcourt, have Jason Kidd who is 35, and are trying to win now. To get Brad for that kind of nothing would be mana from heaven for them, and only add one year of salary.

Think these things are possible. Or if Orlando loses Darko, you could ofer them Brad for some of their worthless crap -- Pat Garrity/Carlos Arroyo (enders) and maybe Keith Bogans? Again, man from heaven for a team trying to win now. A player for nothing.

I do not think Brad can be traded for value. But you find the right team with the right pieces I still think he can be traded to somebody who needs to get over the top. Just have to give them our something for their nothings.

 

[ParniValjak]

If the summer of 08-09 free agent target suggested in the Bee article is true, then Brad MUST be moved. Do not think its totally impossible either. Suggested in that thread a deal trading Brad for Jason Collins (contract up in 08-09) and Boston Nachbar (ender). Its pretty hard to imagine a team like New Jeresy saying no to such a deal. They have no frontcourt, have Jason Kidd who is 35, and are trying to win now. To get Brad for that kind of nothing would be mana from heaven for them, and only add one year of salary.

Think these things are possible. Or if Orlando loses Darko, you could ofer them Brad for some of their worthless crap -- Pat Garrity/Carlos Arroyo (enders) and maybe Keith Bogans? Again, man from heaven for a team trying to win now. A player for nothing.

I do not think Brad can be traded for value. But you find the right team with the right pieces I still think he can be traded to somebody who needs to get over the top. Just have to give them our something for their nothings.

New Jersey would take Krstic over Miller any day of the week and twice on sundays! He is already a better player than Miller and he complements the big 3. They would be aiming higher than Miller IMHO.

As for Orlando, I think something could be done there no doubt. He would be a good get for them with Howard playing next to him to cover his backside defensively.

Brad is moveable to a right team for minimum in return talent wise. Orlando just might be that team if they lose Darko. I think Lakers would be interested as well if they got Jermaine O'Neal.

 

[Bricklayer]

New Jersey would take Krstic over Miller any day of the week and twice on sundays! He is already a better player than Miller and he complements the big 3. They would be aiming higher than Miller IMHO.

Brad would not have to replace Kristic -- I did not say we were trading for Krstic. They could play together (Krstic is as much 4 as 5), Brad could come off the bench, whatever. Does not matter -- Krstic is a weenie, but he's also their ONLY legitimate NBA frontcourt player. ANYBODY else that NJ can add is a bonus. And no, they can't add anybody else for free unless Darko falls in their laps.

 

[Smills91]

I really think Brad Miller would be a nice fit in San Antonio....Brent Barry/Jackie Butler for Brad makes a lot of sense for both teams on many levels. Brad would complement Duncan well and vice versa in the frontcourt while Brad would create MANY easy basket opportunties for cutters like Flopinobli and Cheesehead.

 

[Entity]

Maybe Spencer can be a quick learner and we can trade Brad mid-season to a team like NJ who could feel as if Brad could get them past the 2nd round.

 

[Smills91]

Maybe Spencer can be a quick learner and we can trade Brad mid-season to a team like NJ who could feel as if Brad could get them past the 2nd round.

Maybe....teams that could possibly use Brad Miller include:

Orlando Magic
Boston Celtics
San Antonio Spurs
New Jersey Nets
Golden State Warriors
Los Angeles Lakers
Minnesota Timberwolves
Houston Rockets (MAYBE)
Memphis Grizzlies

It really depends on the price, but those are many of the teams that could use Brad Miller.

 

[Gary]

^^ agree with the above.

I think Brad's demise has as a lot to do with the Kings sucking. He is an emotional player. When things are going bad, than Miller plays down to that level. I remember making a statline in the middle of the year about how well Miller did in games Kings won by +10, and how bad he did when the Kings lost by +15. It was crazy. His stats were affected more than any other player on the team average wise. Put Miller on SA, and that just wouldn't be fair.

 

[JoMama]

Personally, don't care where Brad Miller goes, as long as he goes. The guy may be the biggest scam artist in NBA history. He wasn't drafted, had a few good years with quality players around him and then "retires" a few years ago with an 8-figure contract.
He hasn't developed even one effective post move, gets packed more than canned ham and "rebounds" when the ball happens to land in his hands. His body has atrophied into even less muscle mass - flabby white guy. Even his passing skills seem to have deteriorated. Getting another team to bite on a Miller trade would make Petrie "a gol-danged Houdini."

 

[jcassio]

Personally, don't care where Brad Miller goes, as long as he goes. The guy may be the biggest scam artist in NBA history. He wasn't drafted, had a few good years with quality players around him and then "retires" a few years ago with an 8-figure contract.
He hasn't developed even one effective post move, gets packed more than canned ham and "rebounds" when the ball happens to land in his hands. His body has atrophied into even less muscle mass - flabby white guy. Even his passing skills seem to have deteriorated. Getting another team to bite on a Miller trade would make Petrie "a gol-danged Houdini."

Man, that's harsh. And I'm no Miller fan. I'd love to send him packing. I HATE watching a big guy like that play and not get a rebound for an entire quarter.
That just reeks!

 

[PFFFT!!]

The oaf is unmoveable. He could buy the entire US Skoal supply with the money he makes off Kings fans tickets. :\ Sad.

 

[hiero]

Personally, don't care where Brad Miller goes, as long as he goes. The guy may be the biggest scam artist in NBA history. He wasn't drafted, had a few good years with quality players around him and then "retires" a few years ago with an 8-figure contract.
He hasn't developed even one effective post move, gets packed more than canned ham and "rebounds" when the ball happens to land in his hands. His body has atrophied into even less muscle mass - flabby white guy. Even his passing skills seem to have deteriorated. Getting another team to bite on a Miller trade would make Petrie "a gol-danged Houdini."

If we could manage to trade Miller, Petrie would get a free pass from me for probably another decade. The guy disgusts me. All he cares about is huntin' and fishin' and being a redneck. He's the least enthusiastic basketball player ive ever seen, maybe even moreso than Olowokandi which is pretty pathetic. Why couldnt we have put Miller on hte list for expansion draft instead of Wallace.... I used to love Wallace coming in and getting a dunk or two, a steal or two and some excitement/desire in the team, but Adelman wouldnt give the guy the time of day and now hes an all star and one of the better young overall players in the game.

 

[Troy]

If we could manage to trade Miller, Petrie would get a free pass from me for probably another decade. The guy disgusts me. All he cares about is huntin' and fishin' and being a redneck. He's the least enthusiastic basketball player ive ever seen, maybe even moreso than Olowokandi which is pretty pathetic. Why couldnt we have put Miller on hte list for expansion draft instead of Wallace.... I used to love Wallace coming in and getting a dunk or two, a steal or two and some excitement/desire in the team, but Adelman wouldnt give the guy the time of day and now hes an all star and one of the better young overall players in the game.

With all the crap we had to deal with with the demise of the Kings when they were good years ago, not protecting Wallace was probably the worst. Oh and trading Clark and not getting a 2nd round draft pick for like 3 years or so too. Especially this year with missing out on drafting Splitter in the 2nd round really sucks!!!!

Brad is such a big red neck cry baby. How can the national team be serious about considering playing him? Can we ship him back to Indy for something, anything? We know how he is there in everything but body during the season anyways.

 

[TheRaven]

Especially this year with missing out on drafting Splitter in the 2nd round really sucks!!!!

I don't disagree, but wanted to point out that Splitter was drafted in the late 1st round, not the 2nd.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Why couldnt we have put Miller on hte list for expansion draft instead of Wallace....

My guess, and this is only a guess, but my guess is that we had signed him to a long-term contract only the offseason before, and during the '03-'04 season before the expansion draft, Miller put up 14.1 points, 10.4 rebounds, 4.3 assists and 1.2 blocks a game. Not exactly the kind of guy you let walk.

Miller has been in a decline, but it seems that most people here have completely forgotten that he was an All-Star center a few years ago.

 

[TheRaven]

My guess, and this is only a guess, but my guess is that we had signed him to a long-term contract only the offseason before, and during the '03-'04 season before the expansion draft, Miller put up 14.1 points, 10.4 rebounds, 4.3 assists and 1.2 blocks a game. Not exactly the kind of guy you let walk.

Miller has been in a decline, but it seems that most people here have completely forgotten that he was an All-Star center a few years ago.

That, and many people tend to forget how unproven Wallace was at the time thanks to injuries and lack of playing time. For better or worse, Adelman was coaching a contending team and wasn't willing to open up his rotation to get more minutes for Wallace. Hindsight makes it easy to look back and question the move.

 

[tjobrien]

That, and many people tend to forget how unproven Wallace was at the time thanks to injuries and lack of playing time. For better or worse, Adelman was coaching a contending team and wasn't willing to open up his rotation to get more minutes for Wallace. Hindsight makes it easy to look back and question the move.

Bull ****. Maybe YOU didn't have the foresight, but I had seen enough of Wallace to know that it was STUPID to let him go. I said then and I say now, we should have let either Christie be unprotected (he was obviously on a rapid downslide) or Webber (no effing way the Bobcats would have touched his contract). As I recall, Wallace was the first pick taken in the expansion draft, and for good reason. Letting him go is borderline inexcusable. As much as I hate the Webber trade, that is probably the worst move of the Petrie era. It still angers me. ****.

Edit -- as much as I may share the sentiment, plz don't evade the profanity filters, thx -- Brick

 

[Bricklayer]

Hindsight makes it easy to look back and question the move.

Oh, it was pretty heavily questioned at the time too. Not universally to be sure -- he had to prove it some people. But it was noted, flagged, and woried about when it happened, and now...oh boy. Better numbers than Artest, younger, and with half the headache.

 

[kyo2002]

No one knew he was going to be averaging 2 stls and 2 blks then. He looked pretty good then but I doubt anyone would think he'll be the best player on a team by this time. At the time Kings were contending and he didn't fit into a team that lived on the jumper. There was also the impression that his work ethic was low. I think he was demoralized. He's improved his shot since then but oh well. Miller was a (soft) beast then too. He's still a fantasy league monster lol. Got to move on from mistakes like not drafting Kobe first in 96 and Hornets trading him, Gilbert dropping to the second round, Orlando trading off Big Ben as a filler, giving up on Jermaine O'Neal, etc.

 

[TheRaven]

Bull ****. Maybe YOU didn't have the foresight, but I had seen enough of Wallace to know that it was STUPID to let him go. I said then and I say now, we should have let either Christie be unprotected (he was obviously on a rapid downslide) or Webber (no effing way the Bobcats would have touched his contract). As I recall, Wallace was the first pick taken in the expansion draft, and for good reason. Letting him go is borderline inexcusable. As much as I hate the Webber trade, that is probably the worst move of the Petrie era. It still angers me. ****.

Edit -- as much as I may share the sentiment, plz don't evade the profanity filters, thx -- Brick

Ummm...yeah. Decaf?

I actually was 100% against letting Wallace go, and one of the reasons that I disliked Adelman was his refusal to get minutes for him (which the people clamoring about how we should have kept Adelman like to forget his small rotation and lack of PT for younger guys, unless they had a jumper like Songaila). I understood we were in contending mode, but he could have found more time during the seasons.

Petrie made a mistake on this one to be sure, I am just pointing out that it isn't as simple a slam dunk no-brainer move that people make it out to be. It was only getting heavy minutes in Charlotte that allowed him to blossom, and we had a coach not willing to give him that.

 

[JJ_Evans]

No one wants him..... The best thing that could happen is that he has a crazy nice first half of the season and some team bites on him around the trade deadline.....

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

No one wants him..... The best thing that could happen is that he has a crazy nice first half of the season and some team bites on him around the trade deadline.....

well, if he does this, wouldn't u want to keep him?? I mean if he comes back this year and averages 14/10/5 like he was a couple years ago, wouldn't u want to at least think about keeping him?(hypothetically speaking, of course) It will be interesting to see how Brad plays under Reggie.