NewArena
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Who knows what would have happened if we didn’t waste nearly 3 years on Walton though. It’s really sad, honestly. Those guys were headed in the right direction IMO
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NewArena
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Definitely not. I mean, look at Boston. They’re doing the same thing we’re doing, just with bigger names. We’d probably have a similar record if we were lucky enough to play in the Eastern conference. Having to play the Suns, Warriors and Jazz 4 times is brutal on top of already being a treadmill team.
gunks
Hall of Famer
I’d rank the Walton hire just after the Luka draft as Vlade’s second biggest eff up.
NewArena
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Easily! Im right there with you. Funny thing is, Luka would have absolutely despised Walton, i'm pretty sure of it.
steelevt
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Remember when we thought the trade with the sixers for cap space was vlade’s dumbest move? Ah, those were the days.
Groovygreg
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Lots of Vlade blunders to choose from.
steelevt
All-Star
So breaking down the trade. A first round pick in the late teens/early twenties netted cam reddish, an expiring in hill and a future 2nd rounder.
just trying to figure out bagley’s worth or what our first rounder is worth in the league.
Glad the Kings didn't trade a FRP for him.
steelevt
All-Star
I agree. If we trade a frp, it should be for someone with a longer contract like Collins. We can’t trade our future for someone who can split in a year or 2
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
Is Atlanta loading up for a Simmons swing? Collins + a first + filler might be enough to get it done.
maybe we can jump in on this and get some assets if it happens?
Atlanta trades Collins+First Filler Okongwu
Atlanta receives Simmons Bagley
Sixers trade Simmons Harris Reed
Sixers receive Collins, Thompson first Barnes
Kings trade Barnes Thompson Bagley
Kings receive Harris Reed Okongwu
we take on a negative contract for a wing that fits better with Collins in exchange for a young wing and a young defensive minded big
I didn’t take the time to figure out salaries but I’m sure some pieces could me moved around
maybe we can jump in on this and get some assets if it happens?
Atlanta trades Collins+First Filler Okongwu
Atlanta receives Simmons Bagley
Sixers trade Simmons Harris Reed
Sixers receive Collins, Thompson first Barnes
Kings trade Barnes Thompson Bagley
Kings receive Harris Reed Okongwu
we take on a negative contract for a wing that fits better with Collins in exchange for a young wing and a young defensive minded big
I didn’t take the time to figure out salaries but I’m sure some pieces could me moved around
Not to mention he's still not even an average player at the moment and he's 3 years in. Similar position to Bagley.
A Brown for Fox swap would probably improve both teams balance but alone won't move the needle for either significantly. Like you say our biggest barrier is our division/scheduling. Celtics might get some extra wins but playoff wise I think they are being eclipsed.
Kings twitter is losing their minds over Reddish. I get if he could have been had for a second rounder and an expiring maybe it's a good deal assuming Cam came to play because there's some rumors he got exactly what he wanted in a move to NY, and also it still feels like the kind of minor move just to make a move rather than the shot in the arm this franchise needs.
Dongoodboy
Bench
The fact that we didn't get any extra FRP in our rebuilding phase really hurts. We could use those in trades without using our own draft pick.
Dongoodboy
Bench
He doesn't get to choose where he plays. He will be a RFA even if the contract ends.
yeah but we've seen the restricted tag mean less and less over the last 3-4 off seasons.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
Wow Bol trade got nixed due to medical. He was a popular name on this forum during his draft
Hoovtrain
All-Star
curious what the protections are. Was hoping for Reddish
kb02
All-Star
If the Kings are taking on Harris, they'd better get Collins or Simmons.
Harris is set to make an additional $76M after this year. Plus $18M more for the second half of the year. That's $94M.
Barnes is set to make $18M after this year. Plus $10M more for the second half of the year. That's $28M.
The difference is $66M.
Here's the offensive numbers between them this year:
Harris: 18, 7.5, 4.
Barnes: 16, 6, 2.
Barnes is the better defender.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
Yeh it’s a negative contract but we are getting 2 young players in exchange for the bloated money. I like Okongwu a lot and Reed has shown some promise on the wing. You could make an argument that Tobias is the better player right now too.
if you did something like this you would probably need to be sure you could unload Buddy to give you some flexibility.
or maybe we get the first round pick from Atlanta for the trouble
Thats what these even very heavily protected first round picks can net you. One would think that it could've benefitted us to have even some of those additional draft assets. If you look back at these old threads after trading Boogie, almost no one valued those at all. People rather had Zbo, VC, KK, Rondo, Bellinelli, Landry, GHill ect.
But yeah lets keep going down this road. Its not like we havent done this for ever since Cousins was drafted and the results are litterally the worst that it could be. The worst situation to be in is not talented enough for competing in the playoffs with bad cap situation and constantly drafting outside of the top 5. Thats the worst possible place a franchise can be and we've been there for so long.
kb02
All-Star
They could trade Barnes plus filler for a mid to late first, which is essentially about the same return of Okongwu and Reed without the extra $66M.
LPKingsFan
All-Star
would convey this year if season ended today. Not sure id have wanted to try to beat that.
Just for future reference, a really good resource on future/traded picks is this website:
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed
In this case, the protections are those that Charlotte put on the pick when they sent it to New York at the end of July.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
I was saying Okongwu, Reed and the first from Atlanta
Exactly why asset collection is so valuable. The Kings just aren't in the position to tie up their FRP with protection being a bad team. But if you had 1 or 2 extra firsts lying around, I absolutely would use one to take a shot on a guy like Reddish at a premium position.
kb02
All-Star
Ahh, that makes it more balanced. Your OP has the first going to Philly and as written, it's hard to tell that it's a FRP. See below:
Atlanta trades Collins+First Filler Okongwu
Atlanta receives Simmons Bagley
Sixers trade Simmons Harris Reed
Sixers receive Collins, Thompson first Barnes
Kings trade Barnes Thompson Bagley
Kings receive Harris Reed Okongwu
Reddish would have been a little under the radar with the potential to grow. Bummer that a 2nd and filler couldn't get it done. He would have started here, not sure he will in NY.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
Yeh, I originally posted that and then amended based on your thoughts.
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