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Like everyone else on this board, I've become a little too anxious for Petrie to make a move. (Moore doesn't count) So here are some ideas I've complied from rumors and reported needs that give us young guys and expirings. All three are independent of each other. Yes, they all work on Trade Checker.
Trade 1: First, the one that's been reported ad nauseam:
Sacramento Sends
Mike Bibby
Kenny Thomas
Sacramento Receives
Jason Williams
Udonis Haslem
Dorell Wright
Draft Pick
Miami Sends
Jason Williams
Udonis Haslem
Dorell Wright
Draft Pick
Miami Receives
Mike Bibby
Kenny Thomas
Why for Kings: I've been a fan of this rumor since it was first reported. Wright gives the Kings an athletic and exciting young SF who could be a large part of the future, and of course J-Will is a valuable expiring and could man the point well enough for a season. Or if his knees get bad enough just collect DNPCDs and let the young guys take over. Haslem is the hardest sell because he's basically an improved version of Thomas with a similar contract. Still, I'd rather have Haslem who usually impresses with his intensity and rebounding, than K9's attitude. Plus, if nothing else, it finally gets us out of being constantly reminded of the brutal C-Webb trade.
Why for Heat: As has been reported, they're looking to make a splash and need a point guard. With Mo Williams back with the Bucks, Bibby might just be the best available. So I think they overpay a little for him by taking K9 off our hands. Then with Bibby aboard, I think they could have an even better chance of signing Webb. So they run with a line-up of Shaq, C-Webb, Walker, Wade and Bibby. That should be championship-caliber especially in the east. They make a run for a year or two, Shaq, C-Webb, and Walker retire and then just as K9 and Bibby's contracts expire, they go into rebuilding mode around Wade.
Trade 2: A bit of a harder sell
Sacramento Sends
Brad Miller
John Salmons
Sacramento Receives
Theo Ratliff
Sebastian Telfair
Draft Pick
Boston Sends
Theo Ratliff
Sebastian Telfair
Draft Pick
Boston Receives
Brad Miller
John Salmons
Why for Kings: If we want to start over, it's better to get out of Miller's contract sooner rather than later. Plus, the longer he's on the roster, the longer we delay the rebuild by starting him instead of giving the time to our young bigs. Same with Salmons; he's a quality player, but I've never liked the idea of using the entire MLE for five years on essentially a quality super-sub. Kings get back two expiring contracts. And who knows, maybe Telfair follows the path of Webb, Bonzi and - for half a season - Artest, realizes his potential and stars next to Martin in our back court of the future. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure we can survive a year.
Why for Celtics: With the Ray Allen deal, they've made it pretty clear they're in Win Now mode. And since they seemingly have PF, SF, and SG wrapped up, who exactly is their center: Ratliff? Perkins? Scalabrine? Powe? Those don't instill a lot of confidence for a supposed Championship team. Say what you want about Miller and last season, he's still a servicable center who can stretch a defense by forcing a defending big man outside, is a fantastic passer (good for a team with only a young PG) and a lot of his faults will be protected by being next to Al Jefferson. With Salmons they get some actual veteran depth on their bench, and someone who can step in for Allen and Pierce, plus play point if Rondo struggles. Salmons has a trade kicker, but I'm betting he'd rather be the 6th man on a playoff team than a lottery team.
Trade 3: Possible, not Probable
Sacramento Sends
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Ron Artest
Quincy Douby
Sacramento Receives
Joakim Noah
Chris Duhon
Bobby Simmons
Chicago Sends
Joakim Noah
Chris Duhon
Tyrus Thomas
Chicago Receives
Yi Jianlian
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Quincy Douby
Milwaukee Sends
Yi Jianlian
Bobby Simmons
Milwaukee Receives
Ron Artest
Tyrus Thomas
Why for Kings: The Kings have seemingly backed off on Artest trade talks and just today were reported calling him the "Key" to next season. Well, let's pretend it's all smoke and mirrors and he's not really the face of the franchise. In this trade they'd get a couple peices for the future and out of SARs countract. With Noah, the Kings would have a balanced front court mate for Hawes to collect his rebounds inside and let Hawes shoot his jumpers away from the basket. Duhon could be starting by December and would form a nice tandem with Martin. The obvious issue of course is Simmons. Not only is his contract the same length and for more money than SAR's, he has a trade kicker and would seemingly nix a move from a playoff team to Sacramento.
Why for Bulls: Noah might be a "Scott Skiles guy" but he doesn't fill their need at PF the way Yi seemingly would. Yi's game could be the perfect complement to Big Ben in the Bulls' front court, and Chicago is on Yi's list of approved cities. The Bulls had been rumored to be shopping Duhon to get their hands on Luis Scola, so I think they'd be willing to give him up for Yi. SAR comes on board as insurance in case Yi doesn't work out or needs more time to develop. Plus, I consider him better than Joe Smith anyway. With Yi and SAR they don't really have room for Thomas. Douby is thrown in to soften the blow of losing their backup PG.
Why for Bucks: It might take until the end of the summer, but Yi's people could very well force the Bucks' hand. And when a team becomes desperate to get something over nothing, other teams circle like sharks in the water looking to take advantage. They'll undoubtedly get lowballed, especially for an unproven rookie. Getting Artest and out of Simmons' contract might be one of their better offers. That would give them a line-up of Williams, Redd, Artest, Villanueva and Bogut with Ty Thomas coming off the bench. That could do a lot of damage, especially in the east.
Kings roster after summer:
C: Mikki Moore/Spencer Hawes/Theo Ratliff
PF: Udonis Haslem/Joakim Noah/Justin Williams
SF: Bobby Simmons/Dorell Wright/Francisco Garcia
SG: Kevin Martin/Francisco Garcia/Sebastian Telfair
PG: Jason Williams/Chris Duhon/Sebastian Telfair
In a word, that line-up ... sucks. But it's just the sort of roster that could help make a run at Mayo or Rose. Plus, Williams, Ratliff, Duhon and Telfair all come off the books next season. Moore, Haslem and Simmons expire at the same time too (If we pick up Moore's option) and in the meantime, that trio is a group of high energy, fan favorite types to help us at least enjoy the games while we wait for the rebuild to be done, and if nothing else, at least we go from six bad contracts and practically untradable pieces to only three. Until then, our young core of K-Mart, Cisco, Wright, Noah, Hawes, Williams, possibly Duhon and maybe Mayo or Rose can develop into a solid nucleus.
*Trade 3: Alternate.
Kings could cut out the Bulls as a middle man and just deal Artest and SAR to the Bucks for Yi. Although to make it work we'd have to take back Simmons and Gadzuric. Plus, that presents its own problems of having to deal with Yi's representation and the Chinese government.
Yes, Sacramento is supposedly on the approved cities list. But it won't take long for Yi's people to realize being close to the Bay is not the same as being in the Bay. Especially since we're looking at a long rebuild and Golden State is moving up.
Also, I think Hawes and Yi have similar games and might be a bit of a redundancy. Then again, it fits the style of the big men we were used to in the good old days.
Trade 1: First, the one that's been reported ad nauseam:
Sacramento Sends
Mike Bibby
Kenny Thomas
Sacramento Receives
Jason Williams
Udonis Haslem
Dorell Wright
Draft Pick
Miami Sends
Jason Williams
Udonis Haslem
Dorell Wright
Draft Pick
Miami Receives
Mike Bibby
Kenny Thomas
Why for Kings: I've been a fan of this rumor since it was first reported. Wright gives the Kings an athletic and exciting young SF who could be a large part of the future, and of course J-Will is a valuable expiring and could man the point well enough for a season. Or if his knees get bad enough just collect DNPCDs and let the young guys take over. Haslem is the hardest sell because he's basically an improved version of Thomas with a similar contract. Still, I'd rather have Haslem who usually impresses with his intensity and rebounding, than K9's attitude. Plus, if nothing else, it finally gets us out of being constantly reminded of the brutal C-Webb trade.
Why for Heat: As has been reported, they're looking to make a splash and need a point guard. With Mo Williams back with the Bucks, Bibby might just be the best available. So I think they overpay a little for him by taking K9 off our hands. Then with Bibby aboard, I think they could have an even better chance of signing Webb. So they run with a line-up of Shaq, C-Webb, Walker, Wade and Bibby. That should be championship-caliber especially in the east. They make a run for a year or two, Shaq, C-Webb, and Walker retire and then just as K9 and Bibby's contracts expire, they go into rebuilding mode around Wade.
Trade 2: A bit of a harder sell
Sacramento Sends
Brad Miller
John Salmons
Sacramento Receives
Theo Ratliff
Sebastian Telfair
Draft Pick
Boston Sends
Theo Ratliff
Sebastian Telfair
Draft Pick
Boston Receives
Brad Miller
John Salmons
Why for Kings: If we want to start over, it's better to get out of Miller's contract sooner rather than later. Plus, the longer he's on the roster, the longer we delay the rebuild by starting him instead of giving the time to our young bigs. Same with Salmons; he's a quality player, but I've never liked the idea of using the entire MLE for five years on essentially a quality super-sub. Kings get back two expiring contracts. And who knows, maybe Telfair follows the path of Webb, Bonzi and - for half a season - Artest, realizes his potential and stars next to Martin in our back court of the future. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure we can survive a year.
Why for Celtics: With the Ray Allen deal, they've made it pretty clear they're in Win Now mode. And since they seemingly have PF, SF, and SG wrapped up, who exactly is their center: Ratliff? Perkins? Scalabrine? Powe? Those don't instill a lot of confidence for a supposed Championship team. Say what you want about Miller and last season, he's still a servicable center who can stretch a defense by forcing a defending big man outside, is a fantastic passer (good for a team with only a young PG) and a lot of his faults will be protected by being next to Al Jefferson. With Salmons they get some actual veteran depth on their bench, and someone who can step in for Allen and Pierce, plus play point if Rondo struggles. Salmons has a trade kicker, but I'm betting he'd rather be the 6th man on a playoff team than a lottery team.
Trade 3: Possible, not Probable
Sacramento Sends
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Ron Artest
Quincy Douby
Sacramento Receives
Joakim Noah
Chris Duhon
Bobby Simmons
Chicago Sends
Joakim Noah
Chris Duhon
Tyrus Thomas
Chicago Receives
Yi Jianlian
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Quincy Douby
Milwaukee Sends
Yi Jianlian
Bobby Simmons
Milwaukee Receives
Ron Artest
Tyrus Thomas
Why for Kings: The Kings have seemingly backed off on Artest trade talks and just today were reported calling him the "Key" to next season. Well, let's pretend it's all smoke and mirrors and he's not really the face of the franchise. In this trade they'd get a couple peices for the future and out of SARs countract. With Noah, the Kings would have a balanced front court mate for Hawes to collect his rebounds inside and let Hawes shoot his jumpers away from the basket. Duhon could be starting by December and would form a nice tandem with Martin. The obvious issue of course is Simmons. Not only is his contract the same length and for more money than SAR's, he has a trade kicker and would seemingly nix a move from a playoff team to Sacramento.
Why for Bulls: Noah might be a "Scott Skiles guy" but he doesn't fill their need at PF the way Yi seemingly would. Yi's game could be the perfect complement to Big Ben in the Bulls' front court, and Chicago is on Yi's list of approved cities. The Bulls had been rumored to be shopping Duhon to get their hands on Luis Scola, so I think they'd be willing to give him up for Yi. SAR comes on board as insurance in case Yi doesn't work out or needs more time to develop. Plus, I consider him better than Joe Smith anyway. With Yi and SAR they don't really have room for Thomas. Douby is thrown in to soften the blow of losing their backup PG.
Why for Bucks: It might take until the end of the summer, but Yi's people could very well force the Bucks' hand. And when a team becomes desperate to get something over nothing, other teams circle like sharks in the water looking to take advantage. They'll undoubtedly get lowballed, especially for an unproven rookie. Getting Artest and out of Simmons' contract might be one of their better offers. That would give them a line-up of Williams, Redd, Artest, Villanueva and Bogut with Ty Thomas coming off the bench. That could do a lot of damage, especially in the east.
Kings roster after summer:
C: Mikki Moore/Spencer Hawes/Theo Ratliff
PF: Udonis Haslem/Joakim Noah/Justin Williams
SF: Bobby Simmons/Dorell Wright/Francisco Garcia
SG: Kevin Martin/Francisco Garcia/Sebastian Telfair
PG: Jason Williams/Chris Duhon/Sebastian Telfair
In a word, that line-up ... sucks. But it's just the sort of roster that could help make a run at Mayo or Rose. Plus, Williams, Ratliff, Duhon and Telfair all come off the books next season. Moore, Haslem and Simmons expire at the same time too (If we pick up Moore's option) and in the meantime, that trio is a group of high energy, fan favorite types to help us at least enjoy the games while we wait for the rebuild to be done, and if nothing else, at least we go from six bad contracts and practically untradable pieces to only three. Until then, our young core of K-Mart, Cisco, Wright, Noah, Hawes, Williams, possibly Duhon and maybe Mayo or Rose can develop into a solid nucleus.
*Trade 3: Alternate.
Kings could cut out the Bulls as a middle man and just deal Artest and SAR to the Bucks for Yi. Although to make it work we'd have to take back Simmons and Gadzuric. Plus, that presents its own problems of having to deal with Yi's representation and the Chinese government.
Yes, Sacramento is supposedly on the approved cities list. But it won't take long for Yi's people to realize being close to the Bay is not the same as being in the Bay. Especially since we're looking at a long rebuild and Golden State is moving up.
Also, I think Hawes and Yi have similar games and might be a bit of a redundancy. Then again, it fits the style of the big men we were used to in the good old days.
The first one is a long shot. The last 2 are no shots. Arrgghh, the headache is back. Only goes away when I stop seeing fantasy trade ideas. Like Miller to Pacers for filler and a draft choice.
