Bibby injury a blessing?

I hope this is a blessing.....the kings can now draft....

Kings select the #1 pick in the 2008 draft Mike Beasley...then...

2009 Brandon Jennings!! he will own Derrick rose...and I like Derrick!

Brandon Jennings
Kevin Martin
Francisco Garcia
Mike Beasley
Spencer Hawes

WOW I see your master plan Geoff! again GM of Year!!
 
uh... doubt it... but its nice to dream... i pray that petrie drafts a pg this time... cause this is where passing up on a pg like sergio or williams really hurts... douby aint gonna cut it...
 
I hope this is a blessing.....the kings can now draft....

Kings select the #1 pick in the 2008 draft Mike Beasley...then...

2009 Brandon Jennings!! he will own Derrick rose...and I like Derrick!

Brandon Jennings
Kevin Martin
Francisco Garcia
Mike Beasley
Spencer Hawes

WOW I see your master plan Geoff! again GM of Year!!

hahaha, I love it.
 
if we play our cards right we will suck our way back into the playoffs/elite. suck this year, get a high pick.. suck the following year and get a high pick.. suck once again and get a high pick.. then our high salaries will come off the books. lots of young talent + capspace. what a good way to get back into the elite status
 
Oh, goodie. I'm sure the fans will love to watch three more years of suckitude.

:rolleyes:

There's a fine line teams have to walk to keep SOME posteriors in the seats while they're trying to rebuild. This scholarly attitude of "losing to win" is fine on paper BUT you have to put a product on the floor that will at least maintain some modicum of support. Saying it doesn't matter and that the fans will come back might be great in theory but with all the debate about the new arena, I certainly wouldn't want to try and bank on it.
 
if we play our cards right we will suck our way back into the playoffs/elite. suck this year, get a high pick.. suck the following year and get a high pick.. suck once again and get a high pick.. then our high salaries will come off the books. lots of young talent + capspace. what a good way to get back into the elite status


That requires entirely more vision and intestinal fortitude than our front office has shown to date.

If, however, we can convince Portland to take back Petrie in exchange for whoever it is that has pulled off the remarkable revival up there, we might have a shot.
 
With our luck, all three draft picks would end up just like Greg Oden.
 
Oh, goodie. I'm sure the fans will love to watch three more years of suckitude.

:rolleyes:

There's a fine line teams have to walk to keep SOME posteriors in the seats while they're trying to rebuild. This scholarly attitude of "losing to win" is fine on paper BUT you have to put a product on the floor that will at least maintain some modicum of support. Saying it doesn't matter and that the fans will come back might be great in theory but with all the debate about the new arena, I certainly wouldn't want to try and bank on it.

I 100% agree. There are bills to be paid in the next 3 years. (plus, I do not think that 3 years of suckitude necessarily equates to more wins in year 4)

However, this is the problem. We stink and I do not think that anyone knows how to get us out of it in the near future. If you come up with any ideas, please pass them along. Until then, I will be a good sport cheering for a sub-par team.:)
 
Hey guys i just logged in for the first time in months...

Well I do actually think that Bibby going out is a good thing...

I would love to see us get back into the loto this year (with our pick) and was actually a tad worried that we would be just good enough to hurt or draft spot... sorta like last year... but with bibby going down it looks like we are in good shape for the draft... its also a really good thing if Douby gets the priceless playing time and gets himself in gear...32 games is a long time and that would be awesome for our teams future if this allows him to grow into the multi talented player he could be...

same with Garcia this could also all him more playing time to grow as well...

Bibby is no longer apart of our future and so him sitting is a good thing... plus he could play just enough to get his trade value up for the offseason and land us a pick or young players... or maybe he opts out...

i think its a good thing Bibby isnt easy to move already so this doesnt change anything on that front... Artest is the piece that will land us the pick we want or youth...
 
If we draft Greg Oden three times, think I'll live.

me 2.


this is all a part of the nba team cycle. i can live with watching young promising players grow with a future of moving towards a championship rather than knowing we might make the 8th seed yearly.

i'm excited about our young guys this year. douby, martin, garcia, hawes

anybody excited about watching salmons? mikki moore? SAR? KT? Miller? Artest??
 
me 2.


this is all a part of the nba team cycle. i can live with watching young promising players grow with a future of moving towards a championship rather than knowing we might make the 8th seed yearly.

i'm excited about our young guys this year. douby, martin, garcia, hawes

anybody excited about watching salmons? mikki moore? SAR? KT? Miller? Artest??


I bolded the guys I'm not excited to see play, the rest-yeah I'm excited to watch them. I don't want to see my team lose. I don't root against my team. I tried that last year and it just doesn't feel right.
 
I bolded the guys I'm not excited to see play, the rest-yeah I'm excited to watch them. I don't want to see my team lose. I don't root against my team. I tried that last year and it just doesn't feel right.


You are rooting against your team to lose, you just don't know it. But I've covered that point before.

And as an aside, "rooting for the team to lose" is a deceptive title. You root a) for the kids to play, not the vets; and b) for the kids to win, if they can. They can't of course. But that's your route to rooting for your team to win while still securing a better future for the franchise. TOSS THE BLEEPING VETS. Fixes the ick. Then the only fans you lose are the ones who are only there for the winning.
 
Bibby's injury is not a blessing and its detrimental to the whole team, enough said.

so....you think we will miss his 3-13 games or his once in a while 28pts games? I am not bashing him....I think he was taking alot of mins from francisco and douby and not performing at the old calibar
 
I agree that Bibby has definitely lost his touch, I remember watching him during the good old days and I wish he got his shooting touch back. Realistically, Bibby is out for six weeks, I agree that Douby and Cisco should get more time now and hopefully they have a chance to shine. Douby has a lot of scoring potential as well as Cisco. But, I hate the fact Bibby is injured because he has done a lot for this team and I still contend that no injury is a blessing and it affects the whole team.
 
You are rooting against your team to lose, you just don't know it. But I've covered that point before.

And as an aside, "rooting for the team to lose" is a deceptive title. You root a) for the kids to play, not the vets; and b) for the kids to win, if they can. They can't of course. But that's your route to rooting for your team to win while still securing a better future for the franchise. TOSS THE BLEEPING VETS. Fixes the ick. Then the only fans you lose are the ones who are only there for the winning.

Whatever makes you sleep better at night. :rolleyes:
 
You are rooting against your team to lose, you just don't know it. But I've covered that point before.

And as an aside, "rooting for the team to lose" is a deceptive title. You root a) for the kids to play, not the vets; and b) for the kids to win, if they can. They can't of course. But that's your route to rooting for your team to win while still securing a better future for the franchise. TOSS THE BLEEPING VETS. Fixes the ick. Then the only fans you lose are the ones who are only there for the winning.

Call it whatever you like, but the "ick" feeling you mention is how I feel every time this subject comes up.

Sorry, but I want to see a competitive team on the court. Not necessarily a winning team, but a team that at least tries. And again, this future of the franchise stuff, as I've covered many times before in rebuttal to you is theoretical at best. It doesn't take into account the other factors, such as WHY fans go to games and why owners buy franchises. And after watching Portland snag the #1 player in the draft only to have him sit out a year, I don't think the theory is even sound.

Yes, next year Greg Oden might well set all kinds of records, etc. But maybe he won't. And in the meantime, the Portland fans I know - and there are several - aren't thinking, "Oh, well. He'll be healthy next year."

Being a sports fan is a now kind of thing. Fans of teams want to go to the games or watch on TV and root for them to win. But it's not just about the winning. It's about the cheering for the team, the feeling that maybe, just maybe they can win this time, etc.

At the end of last season, people were actually hoping for losses so we'd get a better draft pick. And what if we had? What if we'd gotten #1? Then our fan base would be the ones completely and totally disappointed and I seriously doubt if many of them would be consoling themselves with the thoughts of the future.

So, I guess I'm saying I fully understand what BMiller52 is saying. Rooting for "your team" to lose is like being your own troll.
 
I still contend that no injury is a blessing and it affects the whole team.

gotta disagree there, if bonzi hadn't pulled his groin two years ago, k-mart's growth would not have been as rapid. sometimes injuries are a blessing because they open up minutes for guys who may otherwise ride the pine.
 
The team without Artest and Bibby looked pretty bad against the Hornets. Salmons was there but he's not a PG. All teams need a good PG. Planning to lose for the future creates a bad culture that should land the Kings in Vegas sooner than later.
 
gotta disagree there, if bonzi hadn't pulled his groin two years ago, k-mart's growth would not have been as rapid. sometimes injuries are a blessing because they open up minutes for guys who may otherwise ride the pine.

We have no K-Mart behind Bibby though. We have Greene... That just made me throw up a bit.
 
Call it whatever you like, but the "ick" feeling you mention is how I feel every time this subject comes up.

Sorry, but I want to see a competitive team on the court. Not necessarily a winning team, but a team that at least tries. And again, this future of the franchise stuff, as I've covered many times before in rebuttal to you is theoretical at best. It doesn't take into account the other factors, such as WHY fans go to games and why owners buy franchises. And after watching Portland snag the #1 player in the draft only to have him sit out a year, I don't think the theory is even sound.

Yes, next year Greg Oden might well set all kinds of records, etc. But maybe he won't. And in the meantime, the Portland fans I know - and there are several - aren't thinking, "Oh, well. He'll be healthy next year."

Being a sports fan is a now kind of thing. Fans of teams want to go to the games or watch on TV and root for them to win. But it's not just about the winning. It's about the cheering for the team, the feeling that maybe, just maybe they can win this time, etc.

At the end of last season, people were actually hoping for losses so we'd get a better draft pick. And what if we had? What if we'd gotten #1? Then our fan base would be the ones completely and totally disappointed and I seriously doubt if many of them would be consoling themselves with the thoughts of the future.

So, I guess I'm saying I fully understand what BMiller52 is saying. Rooting for "your team" to lose is like being your own troll.

LOL, I would trade Hawes for an injured Oden in a heartbeat, I wouldn't give it a second thought. Sure, it would suck if it happened to us, but I take that over the alternative every day of the week and twice on Sunday. I am not one of the fans that aren't consoled by the future, if the future is truly bright then I'm satisfied. A crappy team now and a good team later is a 100x better than a mediocre team now and a mediocre team later. I would trade the kings roster for Portland's yesterday and so should every kings fan. I think your depiction of Portland fans is unfair at best, go ask any of them if they'd trade Oden for a somewhat more healthy Spencer Hawes and I think you'd get the same answer every time. We need good draft picks in order to build our core in order to contend in the future, if that takes giving up some wins now I can care less.
 
Call it whatever you like, but the "ick" feeling you mention is how I feel every time this subject comes up.

Sorry, but I want to see a competitive team on the court. Not necessarily a winning team, but a team that at least tries. And again, this future of the franchise stuff, as I've covered many times before in rebuttal to you is theoretical at best. It doesn't take into account the other factors, such as WHY fans go to games and why owners buy franchises. And after watching Portland snag the #1 player in the draft only to have him sit out a year, I don't think the theory is even sound.

Yes, next year Greg Oden might well set all kinds of records, etc. But maybe he won't. And in the meantime, the Portland fans I know - and there are several - aren't thinking, "Oh, well. He'll be healthy next year."

Being a sports fan is a now kind of thing. Fans of teams want to go to the games or watch on TV and root for them to win. But it's not just about the winning. It's about the cheering for the team, the feeling that maybe, just maybe they can win this time, etc.

At the end of last season, people were actually hoping for losses so we'd get a better draft pick. And what if we had? What if we'd gotten #1? Then our fan base would be the ones completely and totally disappointed and I seriously doubt if many of them would be consoling themselves with the thoughts of the future.

So, I guess I'm saying I fully understand what BMiller52 is saying. Rooting for "your team" to lose is like being your own troll.

i certainly wouldn't have been disappointed if the kings had nabbed greg oden with the number 1 pick only to see him go down! geez...you can't engage in all this "next year Greg Oden might well set all kinds of records, etc, but maybe he won't" talk. if you have a chance at greatness, you take it. kevin martin is going to be good for a lot of years. but he will never be great. spencer hawes may be good for a lot of years, if he can stay healthy. but he will never be great. greg oden, while recovering from knee surgery, might not be great. but maybe he WILL. i'll take a flyer on losing to have the chance at "great" as opposed to winning a few more games to have the chance that someone like spencer hawes might be "good."

if the kings had oden and he still went down before stepping onto the court, then hello derrick rose or oj mayo! just imagine a young PG/C combo of either of those guys and oden! those are the two single toughest positions to fill in the modern nba, and, given your hypothetical scenario, the kings conceivably could have single-handedly vaulted themselves to future-contender status with a young core of rose/martin/oden or mayo/martin/oden. that's something to get excited about! udrih/martin/hawes is, quite frankly, absolutely nothing to get excited about. sports is only about the "now" if you are successful. there are varying degrees of success, but if you were to look at the moves kings management has made the last few years, and you knew nothing about the team or the nba, you would be tempted to assume that the kings were winners. you sign MLE patch-type-players when you need small roles filled. you trade veterans for youth and picks when you SUCK and need to begin the process of rebuilding. this is when sports becomes about "the future."

it ain't black and white for all fans. some of us want to see a team that will be viable for many years, as opposed to the pathetic nonsense that will, invariably, take the court this season.
 
Oh, goodie. I'm sure the fans will love to watch three more years of suckitude.

:rolleyes:

There's a fine line teams have to walk to keep SOME posteriors in the seats while they're trying to rebuild. This scholarly attitude of "losing to win" is fine on paper BUT you have to put a product on the floor that will at least maintain some modicum of support. Saying it doesn't matter and that the fans will come back might be great in theory but with all the debate about the new arena, I certainly wouldn't want to try and bank on it.

Actually, if we have young athletes with major potential, and they hustle, I think most fans would hang with the sucktitude. It's when you have older guys with no upside - no hope - that's when people give it up.
 
i certainly wouldn't have been disappointed if the kings had nabbed greg oden with the number 1 pick only to see him go down! geez...you can't engage in all this "next year Greg Oden might well set all kinds of records, etc, but maybe he won't" talk. if you have a chance at greatness, you take it. kevin martin is going to be good for a lot of years. but he will never be great. spencer hawes may be good for a lot of years, if he can stay healthy. but he will never be great. greg oden, while recovering from knee surgery, might not be great. but maybe he WILL. i'll take a flyer on losing to have the chance at "great" as opposed to winning a few more games to have the chance that someone like spencer hawes might be "good."

if the kings had oden and he still went down before stepping onto the court, then hello derrick rose or oj mayo! just imagine a young PG/C combo of either of those guys and oden! those are the two single toughest positions to fill in the modern nba, and, given your hypothetical scenario, the kings conceivably could have single-handedly vaulted themselves to future-contender status with a young core of rose/martin/oden or mayo/martin/oden. that's something to get excited about! udrih/martin/hawes is, quite frankly, absolutely nothing to get excited about. sports is only about the "now" if you are successful. there are varying degrees of success, but if you were to look at the moves kings management has made the last few years, and you knew nothing about the team or the nba, you would be tempted to assume that the kings were winners. you sign MLE patch-type-players when you need small roles filled. you trade veterans for youth and picks when you SUCK and need to begin the process of rebuilding. this is when sports becomes about "the future."

it ain't black and white for all fans. some of us want to see a team that will be viable for many years, as opposed to the pathetic nonsense that will, invariably, take the court this season.

Everything you said except for Mayo. He's a HEADCASE! Think Kevin Love instead!
 
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