Beno on the move?

[TTown Kings]

2) Evans is a STUD. He's a BASKETBALL player. He'll likely be a STAR in this league. In fact, I'd venture to say, he'll be in amongst the top rookies considered for the R.O.Y.

I'm not disagreeing with this at all. He may be a great player. He's got great potential. He just isnt a PG plain and simple. What did the Kings need most? What was our biggest weakness last year? Do you really think we addressed it with this pick? I dont.

I'm fine with the pick if it means we're making other moves. Otherwise it's on to hoping for John Wall in 2010...

 

[Smills91]

I'm not disagreeing with this at all. He may be a great player. He's got great potential. He just isnt a PG plain and simple. What did the Kings need most? What was our biggest weakness last year? Do you really think we addressed it with this pick? I dont.

I'm fine with the pick if it means we're making other moves. Otherwise it's on to hoping for John Wall in 2010...

Why does everyone think we have to have a 'traditional' PG to help 'set up' his teammates?

There's more than one way to make your teammates look better.

Being the focus of the defense, drawing double teams, breaking down defenders and collapsing the defense in penetration, REBOUNDING, help defense....Evans does ALL these things better than Rubio.

Sure PASSING is one that helps, but so do these others.

Rubio would have been great, but Evans is great TOO. Don't go cutting your nose to spite your face here.

Evans will help this team win AS A POINT GUARD, just not as a 'traditional POINT guard'.

 

[KingsCitizen]

I'm not disagreeing with this at all. He may be a great player. He's got great potential. He just isnt a PG plain and simple. What did the Kings need most? What was our biggest weakness last year? Do you really think we addressed it with this pick? I dont.

I'm fine with the pick if it means we're making other moves. Otherwise it's on to hoping for John Wall in 2010...

Evans just worked out several times against the solid group of PGs in this draft, Flynn, Jennings, Holiday, Curry, etc. Yet he was able to excel in several workouts. Rubio was scouted by Petrie even going to Europe to watch him. Clearly, the front office should not be blind enough to easily compare their skillsets. Rubio maybe a better passer and better basketball IQ over Evans but the team play is still totally dependent on what Westphal will run. Westphal's stated priorities are perimeter defense and rebounding. And I have realized that the guys picked by Petrie addresses this concerns.

So I thing were going with a clear direction here. And with the addition of Sergio, Beno maybe shipped sooner than later. A package of Beno and Donte is probably enticing enough for any playoff bound team. Maybe Orlando is a good destination with their lack of depth at PG and love for 3-pt shooting 6'10" forwards.

 

[Kingster]

What are the chances of Beno becoming disgruntled and accepting a buyout to go play in the euroleague? We can only hope.

I had to laugh at that one. I think Beno really like the $$$. And now he's got the $$$ with his long term contract. He's anything but disgruntled. He's positively delirious that he's a millionare who can sit back and collect on those checks...

 

[Kingster]

Evans just worked out several times against the solid group of PGs in this draft, Flynn, Jennings, Holiday, Curry, etc. Yet he was able to excel in several workouts. Rubio was scouted by Petrie even going to Europe to watch him. Clearly, the front office should not be blind enough to easily compare their skillsets. Rubio maybe a better passer and better basketball IQ over Evans but the team play is still totally dependent on what Westphal will run. Westphal's stated priorities are perimeter defense and rebounding. And I have realized that the guys picked by Petrie addresses this concerns.

So I thing were going with a clear direction here. And with the addition of Sergio, Beno maybe shipped sooner than later. A package of Beno and Donte is probably enticing enough for any playoff bound team. Maybe Orlando is a good destination with their lack of depth at PG and love for 3-pt shooting 6'10" forwards.

Donte isn't going anywhere. You can package Beno and Thomas. Birds of a feather...

 

[sidney]

Uh, no. Wall is a true PG with a ridiculous handle. He goes anywhere he wants to go, sets up anybody he wants to set up, sees the whole floor, and is lightning fast. Much different beastie than Evans. Even after shifting to the point last year Evans was a 3-4 assists guy many/most nights. Wall projects out to twice that.

Neither can really shoot at this point, but that is a common issue with young guys who are dominant going to the hoop.

Just by getting a real coach, adding Evans, getting rid of all the stat stuffing hacks that knew they weren't coming back, and having our young guys get some more time to develop, we aren't going to be in the absolute cellar again. We'll be bad, but not pick #1/17 win bad in order to get Wall. Unless the ping pong ball bounce our way somehow...and you know how likely that is.

And Wall looks to have all the makings of an all star / top player in the league

 

[thelonegunman]

He said Evans isn't a point.. Whether the Kings play him there makes no difference. Maybe in two or three years of playing the PG spot on the floor he will become one.. Ok chuckles?

Newsflash: You are aware that Evans one season of college experience came while playing the PG position, aren't you?

The Memphis Tigers went 26-1 once Tyreke was moved to the PG position.

If you're going to make a blanket statement and say that Evans isn't a PG .. back it up with facts. I'm going to say that Evans IS a PG and will use these 2 indisputable facts to back up my claim.

1) Evans started 27 games at the PG position last season.
2) The Tigers won 26 games in a row AFTER the position switch.

Does any of that mean that Evans will undoubtedly succeed at the position in the NBA? Of course not. But it's more to go on than what the naysayers are basing their opinions off of.

The funny thing is, the pro-Rubio, anti-Evans fans are basing their love of Rubio solely based on heresay and a few highlights from a mixtape. I guarantee you that an overwhelming majority have never seen Rubio play .. yet they are utterly convinced that he is a PG and Evans is not. While that could end up being the case (anything is possible), they really have no idea whatsoever. It really cracks me up how people believe everything they read and place so much stock into highlight tapes.

How about actually watch the games? Most people couldn't watch Rubio but could have seen many of Evans games. I know for fact that Geoff Petrie has done both and his expert opinion is telling us that Evans is and will be the better player. Having watched Evans play several times, I'm siding with Petrie.

Lastly, even if Evans doesn't pan out as a PG, he can still be moved to the SG position and be successful. That wouldn't be the case with Rubio or Flynn. For them, it was PG or bust. Because of that, the Kings have maximized the odds that they will have a productive player.

When you are the worst team in the league, you take the BPA regardless of position. That's what the Kings did. And it just so happens that, if things go well, that player may also be able to fill a need.

 

[rainmaker]

Just by getting a real coach, adding Evans, getting rid of all the stat stuffing hacks that knew they weren't coming back, and having our young guys get some more time to develop, we aren't going to be in the absolute cellar again. We'll be bad, but not pick #1/17 win bad in order to get Wall. Unless the ping pong ball bounce our way somehow...and you know how likely that is.

And Wall looks to have all the makings of an all star / top player in the league

I could easily see us winning 25-30 games next year, and still get a top 5 pick and a shot a Wall.

 

[Kingster]

Just by getting a real coach, adding Evans, getting rid of all the stat stuffing hacks that knew they weren't coming back, and having our young guys get some more time to develop, we aren't going to be in the absolute cellar again. We'll be bad, but not pick #1/17 win bad in order to get Wall. Unless the ping pong ball bounce our way somehow...and you know how likely that is.

And Wall looks to have all the makings of an all star / top player in the league

Oh, we could easily get the 6th or 7th most ping pong balls next year. And with luck, we'd get the #1 pick. We'll get another very good player next year.

 

[Kingster]

I'm still wondering if Coach will be making any changes to help Beno succeed. He has talent. If we can get him performing well somewhat consistently, he is worth the $$$.

Beno is going to have some very legit competition for minutes next year. That may mean he's going to work his butt off to be as good as possible, and maybe get some minutes to show that he is a valuable asset, or it just may mean he's going to sit at the end of the bench as a dust magnet. Again, the question is going to come up like it has so many times during the past few years - how many minutes do you give the guys who you really want to trade?

 

[bajaden]

I'm not disagreeing with this at all. He may be a great player. He's got great potential. He just isnt a PG plain and simple. What did the Kings need most? What was our biggest weakness last year? Do you really think we addressed it with this pick? I dont.

I'm fine with the pick if it means we're making other moves. Otherwise it's on to hoping for John Wall in 2010...

The rule of thumb is that you always take the best player available. If he happens to fit your need, then its a double win. Obviously the Kings must have thought that Evans had tremendous potential to pass on a player with Rubio's talent. Most everyone agree's that the Kings or any organization needs at least one franchise player to have a chance at a championship. If you think that Evans could be that guy, it doesn't matter what position he playes. If Duncan were in this draft, would you pass on him just because you don't have a need there? Of course not.

No, I'm not comparing Evans to Duncan, or Wade, just yet. But the Scenario is the same.

 

[Gary]

Hey I thought it was an Ewok...

LOL Lhasa Ahpsos are supposed to look like Ewoks. That's what drew me to them.. Well that and hat they are rated the best "watch dogs" as they are Tibetan sentry dogs.

 

[dbfish]

unprven pg's

I would think we will kepp him. Sergio is unproven and Evans isn't a true PG. It depends what we do with our other picks.

You say Sergio is unproven.
Tyreke is unproven.
Beno has proved that he can sit on his wallet while Sacramento burns. I think he will become the next KT and sit on the end of the bench until his untradable contract expires. Petries achiles heel.
Give the ball to Evans and see how good or great he can be. Let the chips fall....

 

[CiscoFo3]

Trade with the Clipps?

Here something Ive just been working out....

Dunleavy actually likes Beno Udrih, and he needs a back up point guard. Also, there is a logjam of Bigmen with the Clippers, especially if they're going to try to start Griffin right away.

So what if:

Real GM
Trade ID #5147352


We Give up Beno, K9, and Donte Greene for Camby, Skinner, Eric Gordon, and Mardy Collins.

The only thing we end up keeping is Eric Gordon, who is a decent guard that can back up Kmart, (because his contract is another 3 yrs.) But we can also substitute Gordon for Ricky Davis who has a 1 year deal left along with the other guys.

 

[Gary]

thelonegunman,

newsflash (lol): The reason he was switched to the PG was so that he could have the ball in his hands. He's not a prototypical PG though. He was almost useless for the Tigers until he was able to control the ball. A lot of players that aren't your typical PGs have control of the ball in the college game because frankly, you give the ball to the guy that can score if the rest of your team is weak. Just last year we had guys like Mayo, and Gordon picked in the top 10 that played the gollege PG that weren't real PGs. Aslo, he did get the ball once conference play started which the Conference USA division isn't known for toughness. Their 3 losses came to ranked teams Xavier, GTown, and Syracuse.

Again, I will bring up the Christie comparison. Christie is a much better playmaker than Evans is at this point and the Christie at PG experiment failed because;
1. Smaller guards exploited him negating his defensive edge
2. Having to concentrate on distribution and court vision detracted from his ability to play to his strengths which was slashing, and running without the ball.

Evans strengths aren't court vision and distribution. Evans might be exploited by smaller faster guards if he is forced to defend them. Sure he will create a mismatch, but will his defensive edge be negated having to guard 6'1 180lbs speedsters? I am not interested in what he did during workouts, and During a lot of the Memphis games you saw Kemp coming in for Mack when the opposing guards were too quick for Mack, or Evans to guard.

My biggest issue and I am sure this is pretty much the issue that a lot of people have with Evans at PG is (and why the Christie thing was brought up) is WHY do you play someoen where they will be at their weakest i.e. distribution/court vision/guarding small fast guards when you could play them where they would thrive i.e. perimeter D against SG (no I don't want Martin switching to guard opposing PG), as a slasher, or as someone who can create for themself.. Just doesn't make much sense to put Evans into a position where he is playing to his weaknesses rather than his strengths.

Plus Evans shot (which has been beated to death) is not the prettiest, and he has next to no outside shot. This can be learned of course, but he does have a slow release on his jumper, and his jump shot he brings too far back above his head.

Bottom line is I don't want the Kings playing to his weaknesses only to have to move him to SG, move Martin, and teach the kid to make a 3pt shot. All we need is a SG that can't shoot.

 

[Flemdog]

This can't happen and won't happen for a few reasons.

The Clippers are very high on Gordon they have no intention of giving up a solid young player making a slotted salary.

Skinner is a free agent and R. Davis has a player option that he hasn't declared yet.

You have to look at deals that will take our crappy 4 year $7M (Beno) plus like an expiring deal like KT's 1 year $8.5M for like a crappy 2 year $10M plus a $5M expiring deal. We win by ridding us of Beno and his $28M, team #2 wins by clearing $20M over 2 years plus the extra $3M or so that comes off after 09-10.

Also I'm telling you, don't give up on Donte Greene. Especially if it's a high tempo offense this season, you will see him make huge advances, this guy still has the potential to be a star in the NBA. Of course the talent isn't as high but Donte will rip up the summer league in a few weeks.

Here something Ive just been working out....

Dunleavy actually likes Beno Udrih, and he needs a back up point guard. Also, there is a logjam of Bigmen with the Clippers, especially if they're going to try to start Griffin right away.

So what if:

Real GM
Trade ID #5147352


We Give up Beno, K9, and Donte Greene for Camby, Skinner, Eric Gordon, and Mardy Collins.

The only thing we end up keeping is Eric Gordon, who is a decent guard that can back up Kmart, (because his contract is another 3 yrs.) But we can also substitute Gordon for Ricky Davis who has a 1 year deal left along with the other guys.

 

[Entity]

thelonegunman,

newsflash (lol): The reason he was switched to the PG was so that he could have the ball in his hands. He's not a prototypical PG though. He was almost useless for the Tigers until he was able to control the ball. A lot of players that aren't your typical PGs have control of the ball in the college game because frankly, you give the ball to the guy that can score if the rest of your team is weak. Just last year we had guys like Mayo, and Gordon picked in the top 10 that played the gollege PG that weren't real PGs. Aslo, he did get the ball once conference play started which the Conference USA division isn't known for toughness. Their 3 losses came to ranked teams Xavier, GTown, and Syracuse.

Again, I will bring up the Christie comparison. Christie is a much better playmaker than Evans is at this point and the Christie at PG experiment failed because;
1. Smaller guards exploited him negating his defensive edge
2. Having to concentrate on distribution and court vision detracted from his ability to play to his strengths which was slashing, and running without the ball.

Evans strengths aren't court vision and distribution. Evans might be exploited by smaller faster guards if he is forced to defend them. Sure he will create a mismatch, but will his defensive edge be negated having to guard 6'1 180lbs speedsters? I am not interested in what he did during workouts, and During a lot of the Memphis games you saw Kemp coming in for Mack when the opposing guards were too quick for Mack, or Evans to guard.

My biggest issue and I am sure this is pretty much the issue that a lot of people have with Evans at PG is (and why the Christie thing was brought up) is WHY do you play someoen where they will be at their weakest i.e. distribution/court vision/guarding small fast guards when you could play them where they would thrive i.e. perimeter D against SG (no I don't want Martin switching to guard opposing PG), as a slasher, or as someone who can create for themself.. Just doesn't make much sense to put Evans into a position where he is playing to his weaknesses rather than his strengths.

Plus Evans shot (which has been beated to death) is not the prettiest, and he has next to no outside shot. This can be learned of course, but he does have a slow release on his jumper, and his jump shot he brings too far back above his head.

Bottom line is I don't want the Kings playing to his weaknesses only to have to move him to SG, move Martin, and teach the kid to make a 3pt shot. All we need is a SG that can't shoot.

Just curious. Why is it you are not interested in what he did in workouts? When he went against 6'0 6'1 pgs and he stopped them all? ty lawson, jeff teague, Johnny flynn, Jrue holiday and brandon jennings. none could get around Evans. yet because that information doesn't fit your misguided agenda you simply say in passing. "Im not interested in workouts." wtf kind of logic is that? So you choose to only use the information that supports your THEORY.

And btw way Rubio couldn't guard a single one of those guys listed.

 

[bajaden]

Evans just worked out several times against the solid group of PGs in this draft, Flynn, Jennings, Holiday, Curry, etc. Yet he was able to excel in several workouts. Rubio was scouted by Petrie even going to Europe to watch him. Clearly, the front office should not be blind enough to easily compare their skillsets. Rubio maybe a better passer and better basketball IQ over Evans but the team play is still totally dependent on what Westphal will run. Westphal's stated priorities are perimeter defense and rebounding. And I have realized that the guys picked by Petrie addresses this concerns.

So I thing were going with a clear direction here. And with the addition of Sergio, Beno maybe shipped sooner than later. A package of Beno and Donte is probably enticing enough for any playoff bound team. Maybe Orlando is a good destination with their lack of depth at PG and love for 3-pt shooting 6'10" forwards.

Actually I was thinking that Orlando would be a good fit for Nocioni. He's not as good as Hedo but he's a pretty good player and would come a lot cheaper than what Hedo was asking. Even a sign and trade for Hedo would probably work by trading Noc and use our cap space to fill in the rest.

 

[Section 101]

Just curious. Why is it you are not interested in what he did in workouts? When he went against 6'0 6'1 pgs and he stopped them all? ty lawson, jeff teague, Johnny flynn, Jrue holiday and brandon jennings. none could get around Evans. yet because that information doesn't fit your misguided agenda you simply say in passing. "Im not interested in workouts." wtf kind of logic is that? So you choose to only use the information that supports your THEORY.

And btw way Rubio couldn't guard a single one of those guys listed.

I'll bite. Maybe because we are talking about other players in the draft and not starting PG's in the NBA. Lets see him stay in front of CP3, Williams, Brooks, Westbrook, etc then talk about his defense.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

thelonegunman,

newsflash (lol): The reason he was switched to the PG was so that he could have the ball in his hands. He's not a prototypical PG though. He was almost useless for the Tigers until he was able to control the ball. A lot of players that aren't your typical PGs have control of the ball in the college game because frankly, you give the ball to the guy that can score if the rest of your team is weak. Just last year we had guys like Mayo, and Gordon picked in the top 10 that played the gollege PG that weren't real PGs. Aslo, he did get the ball once conference play started which the Conference USA division isn't known for toughness. Their 3 losses came to ranked teams Xavier, GTown, and Syracuse.

Again, I will bring up the Christie comparison. Christie is a much better playmaker than Evans is at this point and the Christie at PG experiment failed because;
1. Smaller guards exploited him negating his defensive edge
2. Having to concentrate on distribution and court vision detracted from his ability to play to his strengths which was slashing, and running without the ball.

Evans strengths aren't court vision and distribution. Evans might be exploited by smaller faster guards if he is forced to defend them. Sure he will create a mismatch, but will his defensive edge be negated having to guard 6'1 180lbs speedsters? I am not interested in what he did during workouts, and During a lot of the Memphis games you saw Kemp coming in for Mack when the opposing guards were too quick for Mack, or Evans to guard.

My biggest issue and I am sure this is pretty much the issue that a lot of people have with Evans at PG is (and why the Christie thing was brought up) is WHY do you play someoen where they will be at their weakest i.e. distribution/court vision/guarding small fast guards when you could play them where they would thrive i.e. perimeter D against SG (no I don't want Martin switching to guard opposing PG), as a slasher, or as someone who can create for themself.. Just doesn't make much sense to put Evans into a position where he is playing to his weaknesses rather than his strengths.

Plus Evans shot (which has been beated to death) is not the prettiest, and he has next to no outside shot. This can be learned of course, but he does have a slow release on his jumper, and his jump shot he brings too far back above his head.

Bottom line is I don't want the Kings playing to his weaknesses only to have to move him to SG, move Martin, and teach the kid to make a 3pt shot. All we need is a SG that can't shoot.

i thought about how evans would guard the speedsters of the league. that's why his size and strength come in handy. martin could switch off and give the tiny guards hell with his size and length. remember when adelman used martin to hound parker? i hope thats what they have planned.

 

[Gary]

Just curious. Why is it you are not interested in what he did in workouts? When he went against 6'0 6'1 pgs and he stopped them all? ty lawson, jeff teague, Johnny flynn, Jrue holiday and brandon jennings. none could get around Evans. yet because that information doesn't fit your misguided agenda you simply say in passing. "Im not interested in workouts." wtf kind of logic is that? So you choose to only use the information that supports your THEORY.

And btw way Rubio couldn't guard a single one of those guys listed.

It's not a game situation a 5 on 5 where you have positional players, and exploitation of mismatches. Kemp would come in for Mack and Evans would switch to guarding the SG at Memphis when they were being scored on by quick guards. Didn't happen a whole lot because college isn't really comparable to the NBA where pretty much all small guys are blazing fast. But they would pull a switch, and have Kemp come in for Mack more often than not when they were getting abused.

It's just wrong IMO to play to a guys weaknesses when he can do much much more for a team. Guarding smaller quicker PGs will be an issue and I am not wanting to see Evans switch off with Martin, or Evans sitting on the bench because of that. #4 pick should be playing. I am not as worried about him playing SG and not having a 3pt shot because he makes up for it with his slashing.

and BTW you don't know if Rubio could guard any of them because it hasn't happened yet. He did fine in Spain though.

 

[Gary]

i thought about how evans would guard the speedsters of the league. that's why his size and strength come in handy. martin could switch off and give the tiny guards hell with his size and length. remember when adelman used martin to hound parker? i hope thats what they have planned.

That's the last thing I want to see though.. Martin is a weak defender and he would probably be weaker guarding someone smaller and faster than a normal SG. I remember the playoffs though, and I think Martin can be an average defender if he wanted to be..

So who do you bench if you are getting exploited by a small quick PG? If you bench Martin you pretty much give up your 3pt shooting, and if you bench Evans then you have your #4 pick not playing. Beno is just as bad if not worse.. Rodriguez is meh, but do you bench your #4 for Rodriguez the whole year when the little guys give you trouble??

 

[Entity]

It's not a game situation a 5 on 5 where you have positional players, and exploitation of mismatches. Kemp would come in for Mack and Evans would switch to guarding the SG at Memphis when they were being scored on by quick guards. Didn't happen a whole lot because college isn't really comparable to the NBA where pretty much all small guys are blazing fast. But they would pull a switch, and have Kemp come in for Mack more often than not when they were getting abused.

It's just wrong IMO to play to a guys weaknesses when he can do much much more for a team. Guarding smaller quicker PGs will be an issue and I am not wanting to see Evans switch off with Martin, or Evans sitting on the bench because of that. #4 pick should be playing. I am not as worried about him playing SG and not having a 3pt shot because he makes up for it with his slashing.

and BTW you don't know if Rubio could guard any of them because it hasn't happened yet. He did fine in Spain though.

wait a min. I watched Rubio play in all the olympic games just like most of you did because of the hype. He is not quick defensively. Judging by what i saw he can't.

 

[Entity]

Evans is quicker defensivley than Martin is why would they switch?

 

[Gary]

Evans is quicker defensivley than Martin is why would they switch?

No, I said they shouldn't switch.. I said that's the last thing I want to see. So what would they do? Bench Martin and move Evans to SG? Then we lose our 3pt shooting. Unless we re-signed Jackson we don't have a PG that can guard small quick PGs consistently. And even Jackson is showing his age.

Right now the team is a mess. Too many multi-positional players and not enough specialists.

And regarding the above yes he wasn't the greatest but he was going up against the greatest. He did have a couple good steals if I remember correctly in their first meeting (although the USA beat them pretty handily). He did guard very well against China, and did pretty well against Greece in limited minutes.. Besides the USA games those were the only other two Olympic games I saw him in.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Here something Ive just been working out....

Dunleavy actually likes Beno Udrih, and he needs a back up point guard. Also, there is a logjam of Bigmen with the Clippers, especially if they're going to try to start Griffin right away.

So what if:

Real GM
Trade ID #5147352


We Give up Beno, K9, and Donte Greene for Camby, Skinner, Eric Gordon, and Mardy Collins.

The only thing we end up keeping is Eric Gordon, who is a decent guard that can back up Kmart, (because his contract is another 3 yrs.) But we can also substitute Gordon for Ricky Davis who has a 1 year deal left along with the other guys.

Yeah, Gordon is an absolute no-go on that deal. The Clippers aren't even thinking about giving him up.

Make this deal a lot simpler: Beno for Camby, straight up. Clean, easy, works great for us, clears up their logjam...if in fact they are still high on Beno, that's the deal to make.

 

[TTown Kings]

Oh, we could easily get the 6th or 7th most ping pong balls next year. And with luck, we'd get the #1 pick. We'll get another very good player next year.

Oh we could very well get more then the 6th or 7th most ping pong balls next year. We could very well have the most again. Sorry, just having a hard time being optimistic about anything at this point.

 

[rhythmless]

Yeah, Gordon is an absolute no-go on that deal. The Clippers aren't even thinking about giving him up.

Make this deal a lot simpler: Beno for Camby, straight up. Clean, easy, works great for us, clears up their logjam...if in fact they are still high on Beno, that's the deal to make.

I like this idea, but I doubt Clips go for it. Camby is a large expiring, and they can net a lot more than a backup pg with a long midlevel contract. We would most definitely have to sweeten the pot for this to happen.

 

[swisshh]

from the big man FA thread, I commented that a problem with trading for bigs is that we can't afford to give up Beno at this point in trade, but I think that discussions belongs here more.

Can we afford to move Beno now? I think he might still be our most viable option at PG. He'd have to be traded for another PG.

 

[rhythmless]

Im ok seeing what we have w/Sergio and HOPEFULLY Evans, BJax at the vet min, and Garcia sometimes.

It really looks like Beno took his one fat contract and decided he doesn't care anymore. He's about 200 lbs from being another Jerome James.