Belinelli signs with the Kings 3 years 19mil

[miltonap]

So... I called that Bellinelli pick up ☺ Just need Beverly and Koufos to go 3/3. If we can get these guys on board we got a well balanced squad top to bottom.

 

[Bricklayer]

I've been hearing Koufos

We just need some size to even out the roster defensively, since we don't have a lot of solid big men right now. If we get another guard first we might not get another big. I'd really like another solid guard but that's only after we get a big, if we can do it. We need the size to defend offenses. If after we get a big then I'd go for Beverley over Rondo.

If we could somehow end up with Bellinelli-Rondo-Koufos or Bellinelli-Beverley-Koufos and get Omri back here on a minimum type deal I would be content with this FA period. From 3 contributors to 7, and maybe 8 if Ben advances.

 

[miltonap]

People were too caught up with Wes and Rondo imo. Wes just tore his freakin achilles. You spend 16 mil on that and he gets injured then what happens. We're screwed and that much closer to DMC leaving.

Get three solid rotation guys that dont have ruptured achilles and we can make some noise this season. Our bench absolutely sucked last year

 

[Gilles]

I'm not sure why some are assuming Marco is heading to the bench.

He's better than Ben. Better shooter, better ballhandler, higher IQ, better defender, better passer better spacer. Ben comes off the bench until he shows he's taken quite a jump in his level of play.

Belinelli was abused in POs almost Stauskas style - Popovic had to put him back on the bench a few times. And gap in shooting/spacing is not that big.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Belinelli was abused in POs almost Stauskas style - Popovic had to put him back on the bench a few times.

That doesn't exactly disprove the statement.

And gap in shooting/spacing is not that big.

It's big enough.

 

[Gilles]

That doesn't exactly disprove the statement.

Spurs can't hide bench guy on D vs Kings having questionable D from starting SG spot.

It's big enough.

Take out Corbin era for Mclemore and he's at the same .370-.375. Under Malone Ben was .410 from 3.

 

[Amit149]

I'm not sure why some are assuming Marco is heading to the bench.

He's better than Ben. Better shooter, better ballhandler, higher IQ, better defender, better passer better spacer. Ben comes off the bench until he shows he's taken quite a jump in his level of play.

I don't see him as a better defender...

But I do like the signing, the price is pretty good and guys like him are a rare commodity in this FA class.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Spurs can't hide bench guy on D vs Kings having questionable D from starting SG spot.

Take out Corbin era for Mclemore and he's at the same .370-.375. Under Malone Ben was .410 from 3.

I'm going to need you to explain why the .320 he shot from three-point range, under Malone, in his rookie year, doesn't count?

 

[KingMilz]

Guy has massively underrated basketball IQ and playmaking he's more than a shooter and has been his whole life he was just asked/forced to do less in the Spurs system.

Unless we trade for Lawson or something like that our massive problem is still no one can break down the d and dish from the perimeter.

The move is just an ok one.

 

[Gilles]

I'm going to need you to explain why the .320 he shot from three-point range, under Malone, in his rookie year, doesn't count?

Ben shot 40.8% on wide-open 3s in his rookie season. Just didn't have the confidence, when he was closed out/contested.

 

[swisshh]

Good move. And it was done quickly!

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Ben shot 40.8% on wide-open 3s in his rookie season. Just didn't have the confidence, when he was closed out/contested.

So, contested threes don't count, either?

 

[rainmaker]

Marco Belinelli ‏@marcobelinelli
@SacramentoKings I am ready!

 

[Gilles]

So, contested threes don't count, either?

Ben not being able to shoot contested 3s as a rookie, and being capable as a sophomore explains only 32% on 3s in his first year.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Ben not being able to shoot contested 3s as a rookie, and being capable as a sophomore explains only 32% on 3s in his first year.

I'm still not seeing how any of that refutes the notion that Belinelli is a significantly better three-point shooter than McLemore? You're basically cherry picking McLemore's greatest hits, and comparing them to Belinelli's career low.

 

[Bricklayer]

Not just about threes with Marco. He's a smart player who can create too. He's no star, but he is one of those nice smart roleplayers that help stars win just by being out there.

Really was my hope for Stauskas, and maybe one day will be. Right now Belinelli is already there though. This is a trustworthy glue guy. Just still leaves us needing a defender back there, and with Anderson also coming unless we were to surprise and trade Ben it looks like we already have our 3 SGs for next year. Two Spurs and a Ben (unless Ben's ballhandling issues find Karl shifting him up to SF when Rudy goes to PF).

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Marco is one of the few guys around the league, outside of the obvious top stars, who I have full confidence in taking a shot at the end of a big game. We needed a ballsy marksmen.

Great addition

 

[The Hammer]

Thats too much money for a player like Belinelli from my point of view.
Yes he comes from a winning culture, but he is not a very good defender.

Let me guess: you'd rather have Nik?

 

[pshn80]

I'm still not seeing how any of that refutes the notion that Belinelli is a significantly better three-point shooter than McLemore? You're basically cherry picking McLemore's greatest hits, and comparing them to Belinelli's career low.

One difference might be at Bellinelli has more tools and experience to stay on the floor longer thus more time to score more threes. Capiche?

 

[Gilles]

I'm still not seeing how any of that refutes the notion that Belinelli is a significantly better three-point shooter than McLemore? You're basically cherry picking McLemore's greatest hits, and comparing them to Belinelli's career low.

You're creating new argument as you go along. If your contention, that there's overwelmingly much more evidence for Marco than for Ben being an excellent shooter, yes, there is. My point is that from most recent information, Ben isn't far from Marco. And for a developing just recently very raw 2 year player just averaging results over his short career not going to produce a reliable estimate of his current abilities.

Not just about threes with Marco. He's a smart player who can create too. He's no star, but he is one of those nice smart roleplayers that help stars win just by being out there.
Really was my hope for Stauskas, and maybe one day will be. Right now Belinelli is already there though. This is a trustworthy glue guy. Just still leaves us needing a defender back there, and with Anderson also coming unless we were to surprise and trade Ben it looks like we already have our 3 SGs for next year. Two Spurs and a Ben (unless Ben's ballhandling issues find Karl shifting him up to SF when Rudy goes to PF).

Which makes him much better fit off the bench, especially now that Beverley with his shaky playmaking looks to be the target as another PG (why would he leave starting job in Houston though, unless he's told Rockets are going after Lawson).

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

One difference might be at Bellinelli has more tools and experience to stay on the floor longer thus more time to score more threes. Capiche?

I don't think that you're clear about what is being argued here:

I got involved with this discussion solely because @Gilles challenged the claim that Belinelli is better than McLemore, but then failed to provide any information which supports his argument. And nothing in your post supports his argument, either.

 

[PurpleHaze]

Marco Belinelli wins NBA All-Star 3 pt shootout contest (won it 2014) couple years from now at new Golden 1 Center - book it!

 

[Sac.1989]

Great move

Now finalise Rondo who we met with in Sac. Hoping we have leverage to bring him in on the cheap and use the rest of our cap to address PF

 

[Mass]

I don't know if Marco will start or Ben will. One thing I'm pretty sure, at the end of a close game Marco will be out there. And that's what matters the most for this team, now we have a guy who can hit shots under pressure.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

You're creating new argument as you go along...

No I'm not. My argument, which is no more and no less than Belinelli is better than McLemore, has remained consistent. You keep rationalizing McLemore's numbers, and using that rationalization to claim that McLemore isn't that far from Belinelli, and all I've said from the beginning is that he's far enough.

You seem pretty confident that McLemore is gonna be better than Belinelli. And you might be right. But I'm not really in the 'gonna be' business.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

So do you guys think he starts or B-Mac starts?

I'll guess Ben starts, but Marco closes most of the time.

I think Marco came here because he wanted a legit chance for more playing time. Not just spot minutes

 

[captain bill]

People were too caught up with Wes and Rondo imo. Wes just tore his freakin achilles. You spend 16 mil on that and he gets injured then what happens. We're screwed and that much closer to DMC leaving.

Get three solid rotation guys that dont have ruptured achilles and we can make some noise this season. Our bench absolutely sucked last year

My big problem with the trade was using all that cap space on Wes. Belli I think is a much better fit, no injury questions AND a favorable contract that allows us to add more depth. Now that Wes said no and we're adding depth the trade looks a lot better (as long as WCS works out). This contract also gives me confidence that were not gonna overpay (I've seen posts saying our 'bigger offers' to Ellis and Wes were almost the same amount when you factor in CA tax so I'm very glad we're not breaking the bank or overpaying).

 

[lawlman91]

Cowbellinelli
Bellinelli on the marco!

 

[KingMilz]

Cowbellinelli
Bellinelli on the marco!

Coming through in the Spur of the moment?

 

[pshn80]

I don't think that you're clear about what is being argued here:

I got involved with this discussion solely because @Gilles challenged the claim that Belinelli is better than McLemore, but then failed to provide any information which supports his argument. And nothing in your post supports his argument, either.

You're right, Slim, I misunderstood which side of the argument you were on. Sorry.