(Bee) Voisin: One of them will have to go

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Ailene Voisin: One of them will have to go
If Mike Bibby and Ron Artest can't share the same gift, being able to lead the Kings during a time they need it more than ever ...
By Ailene Voisin - Bee Columnist
Last Updated 12:00 am PST Sunday, December 24, 2006
Story appeared in SPORTS section, Page C1


With time to kill during the Kings' third-quarter stall the other night at Arco Arena, I dropped into the team store for some Christmas shopping, only to find myself wandering the aisles aimlessly. Nothing seemed to click. There was no chemistry, no karma, no communion with any of the colorful items (basketballs, shirts, calendars, etc.) that were displayed amid the maze of purple and people.

I left the store still needing two gifts.

I left, perplexed.

What do you give two men in your life who have everything but the good sense to get along?

The way Mike Bibby and Ron Artest are behaving and underperforming, I'm tempted to send gift certificates for three months of marriage counseling, enrollment in a 24-hour unity summit or daily sessions with a mental massage therapist. Maybe then they'll get it together. Or perhaps Santa should just slide over to their houses and deliver the trade papers dispatching Bibby to, say, the Boston Celtics and Artest to the Los Angeles Clippers for the disgruntled Corey Maggette (though, really, this would be a too-generous present by the Kings).

But something has to give -- soon -- or someone has to go.

Time's almost up.

When opposing coaches and scouts start mentioning the apparent tension between the two Kings in their pregame reports -- and two scouts informed me they recently have done so -- the situation is critical. Artest's denials notwithstanding, Sacramento's small forward and point guard might as well be written onto separate starting lineup sheets. They both want the ball, both want to initiate the final play, both want to be perceived as the organization's highest-profile player, and meanwhile, their attitudes are exhausting and distracting their teammates and overwhelming their young coach.

The signs are everywhere, can even be heard in crusty old Arco. Stand up and cheer if you've seen any of the following this season: extended lapses of concentration, erratic intensity on defense, body language that is lethal and lethargic, too much one-on-one, reluctant ball movement. Very little of the selflessness or collective sense of purpose that exists on quality teams, except of course, when one or the other -- Bibby or Artest -- is off the floor, and the surprising John Salmons, Kevin Martin and Brad Miller actually are allowed to touch the ball, no longer fearing that they won't ever touch it again.

No one, of course, expects a lovefest to break out, not even in the holiday spirit. Bird and McHale were allies but not pals. Magic and Kareem had as much in common as Jordan and Pippen. Or Stockton and Malone. But while emerging as a tight-lipped, Western Conference sequel to Shaq and Kobe, Bibby and Artest seem to have forgotten that they are paid handsomely to at least give the appearance of playing for the same team.

Instead, the Kings have become a downer, this Bibby-Artest snit leading the team nowhere, except toward the Pacific Division cellar. The clock ticks. Should the impasse persist beyond the next several days, Geoff Petrie, who selected the relatively inexperienced Eric Musselman as Rick Adelman's successor, will be left with no alternative.

Trade sooner rather than later.

Break it up and start from the beginning.

Hey, it could be worse. Trader Geoff is known to plot blockbuster deals while picking at his guitar strings, going back to the move that sent the ailing, aging Mitch Richmond to Washington for Chris Webber. The Kings' basketball president has a knack for trading players at the right time. The 76ers are stuck with an immobile Webber and his burden of a contract. Doug Christie is retired. Vlade Divac is retired. Peja Stojakovic recently underwent back surgery, an ominous development for a 29-year-old.

Bobby Jackson is chronically injured. Jason Williams has a more mature approach but terrible knees.

Petrie's more recent maneuvering has been influenced by a desire to trim the team payroll and allow for a big-strike summer reminiscent of the makeover that featured Divac, Stojakovic, Williams and Webber.

"We're still trying to win with this team," Petrie said Friday. "How much longer that continues, I don't have an answer for that. We've have been working toward creating (salary) cap flexibility while staying competitive and continuing to make the playoffs.

"Is there a time when we may want to accelerate that ... just go with the younger players and start over? Maybe. If that time comes, we'll talk about it."

Christmas comes and goes quickly. If the Kings don't become a chorus during this upcoming stretch, re-establishing a once-formidable home-court advantage at Arco, the breakup should commence. Let the kids loose under the tree and let 'em play. They'll become men eventually.

About the writer:
Reach Ailene Voisin at (916) 321-1208 or avoisin@ sacbee.com.
 

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Petrie's more recent maneuvering has been influenced by a desire to trim the team payroll and allow for a big-strike summer reminiscent of the makeover that featured Divac, Stojakovic, Williams and Webber.

"We're still trying to win with this team," Petrie said Friday. "How much longer that continues, I don't have an answer for that. We've have been working toward creating (salary) cap flexibility while staying competitive and continuing to make the playoffs.

"Is there a time when we may want to accelerate that ... just go with the younger players and start over? Maybe. If that time comes, we'll talk about it."
Now if that doesn't give you something to think about, you don't have a pulse...

;)
 

Bricklayer

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"We're still trying to win with this team," Petrie said Friday. "How much longer that continues, I don't have an answer for that. We've have been working toward creating (salary) cap flexibility while staying competitive and continuing to make the playoffs.

"Is there a time when we may want to accelerate that ... just go with the younger players and start over? Maybe. If that time comes, we'll talk about it."

That just might be the most encouraging thing I've ever heard Geoff say. The second part. The first part is asinine, but that's been going on for years. But the second part...yes Geoff, could we please jsut accelerate this damn rebuild already? Why the hell you would think fans want to watch their team slowly linger, suffer and die, rather than going quick and heading for a rebirth, I do not remotely understand. But its enough now. Before Arco is drawing 10,000 and still claiming sellouts, let's get a move on already.
 
#6
Artest should go. For some reason, despite my locale, I still care for the Kings. The product on the floor is no fun to watch though, and the longer Artest stays (and Thomas) the worse.

Start over. Get a clue and a style.

please.
 
#7
At least Geof said it loud and clear. I think next summer the big moves will be made. Lot's of expiring contracts coming up and some good players will be available too.
 
#8
Now I'm getting excited. I've been telling everyone all year that as much as I love artest on defense, he's killing this team on the offensive end. The chemistry has been at least a little better with Salmons starting the last few games.
On another note, you mention good players being availble next summer. Who exactly will be available?
 
#9
Hey, it could be worse. Trader Geoff is known to plot blockbuster deals while picking at his guitar strings, going back to the move that sent the ailing, aging Mitch Richmond to Washington for Chris Webber. The Kings' basketball president has a knack for trading players at the right time. The 76ers are stuck with an immobile Webber and his burden of a contract. Doug Christie is retired. Vlade Divac is retired. Peja Stojakovic recently underwent back surgery, an ominous development for a 29-year-old.

Bobby Jackson is chronically injured. Jason Williams has a more mature approach but terrible knees.

About the writer:
Reach Ailene Voisin at (916) 321-1208 or avoisin@ sacbee.com.
I'm relatively surprised at the mention of Peja in this list, as well as Divac (who walked away from the Kings for more money with the Lakers, as I recall...was that Geoff's saviness on display, or the tight fists of the Maloofs?).

I'm all for bringing in Maggette...and if the Clippers have anyone expendable on the roster 6'10" or taller with some athleticism, get him as a throw in.
 
#11
I think Geoff Petrie is SPOT ON, once again. Why would you liquidate all your assets to claim "We're officially REBUILDING". NO, you keep those assets and await the opportune moment. Petrie is a master at this. The time is coming, it's almost here. He will get us the necessary parts because he has the pieces to work with to do so and we remain competitive. I have ZERO desire to be like the Hawks, Blazers or Raptors and go into complete rebuild mode and not be able to attract at least ONE significant Free Agent signing. Think about it. Vlade Divac's is the ONLY major free agent signing this team has ever acquired. The rest has been through the draft and trades. Petrie knows how to GM the small market. We're not Miami, LA, Chicago or NY where we can tank and suck and still allure big-time free agents.
 
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#12
LA Times mentions Artest for Maggette talks.

Meanwhile, the Clippers continued to pursue a trade for an impact player, discussing a potential deal for Ron Artest of the Sacramento Kings, a high-ranking Clippers source said after the game.

Apparently, Artest, whom the Clippers tried to acquire last season from the Indiana Pacers, is eager to leave the Kings, and the Clippers want to send Corey Maggette to Sacramento for the versatile player. A Clippers official spoke with the Kings on Friday, and talks are expected to continue today.


http://www.latimes.com/sports/baske...adlines-sports-nb a-clippe&ctrack=1&cset=true
 
#13
LA Times mentions Artest for Maggette talks.

Meanwhile, the Clippers continued to pursue a trade for an impact player, discussing a potential deal for Ron Artest of the Sacramento Kings, a high-ranking Clippers source said after the game.

Apparently, Artest, whom the Clippers tried to acquire last season from the Indiana Pacers, is eager to leave the Kings, and the Clippers want to send Corey Maggette to Sacramento for the versatile player. A Clippers official spoke with the Kings on Friday, and talks are expected to continue today.


http://www.latimes.com/sports/baske...adlines-sports-nb a-clippe&ctrack=1&cset=true

Maggette sucks.
 
#15
Now if that doesn't give you something to think about, you don't have a pulse...

;)
I must be missing something. Is Petrie doing something soon? I definitely don't want to wait until summer to get a good quality player. Nor do I want Artest for Maggette trade either.
 

VF21

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#16
IF Petrie is going to pull the trigger sooner rather than later on Artest, then he's gonna grab the best offer available at the moment. (Webber trade is a prime example...even though it was done on the last trade day, it was pretty clear the front office didn't want to wait any longer for something to happen.)

I liked what I saw the other night in Denver. Our team actually looked like a team. There was some of the old camaraderie and it looked as though they belonged together. Call me "homer" or whatever, but I've missed that. If it means Artest has to go to get it back, then so be it.

EDIT: To answer your question, Rock, no one but Petrie knows for sure what he has in mind. The mere fact he talked to Voisin at all speaks volumes to me, though. And yes, this could all be just whispers in the wind. But there are a lot of things that have happened for me to at least be concerned about the loudness of the ticking time bomb that has ARTEST written on it.
 

Mr. S£im Citrus

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#17
Artest needs to play for a team with an alpha-male superstar, and a strong-willed coach that's not going to take his ****.

Unfortunately, that would seem to indicate that the only teams that he would do well with and not cause problems would likely be the Spurs, Heat or Lakers... :mad:

EDIT - I guess, Duncan's not really an "alpha male," but I don't think that there's any question that the Spurs are his team, so I included him.
 
#19
Slim you almost touched on the issue but I have to go further.

Artest has a history, and its been talked about a lot here (last year trade time) and on the pacers forum, and by all the pacer fans warnings... we knew what we were getting. I can almost compare this to AI, watch he is going to be the perfect citizen this year, as time goes by - he will turn into AI of old.

The problem before detriot, with RON wasn't that he was a thug, he was known for disrupting practice, wanting to be the #1... trying to do things his own way. I think a new coach (and I am not blaming muss) he is taking advantage.

I think the best example is go to the PacersForum, read posts about him over the last few years, pre Detriot.

Artest is cheap right now, if we are in rebuilding mode, need to dump Bibby as much as I hate to say it and keep Ron. Try for a sign and trade with RON but GP's history on that is not so good.

Both have some nice trade value, if we are truely rebuilding, then lets dump our contracts. Get some picks, some young prospects that will be cheap. Then rebuild from there.

If there was a year to build a nice young team from the draft...This is the year. I can accept a year or two starting from scratch. As things stand at this time, this team is pretty much un-watchable. (I know thats not a word)
 
#20
That just might be the most encouraging thing I've ever heard Geoff say. The second part. The first part is asinine, but that's been going on for years. But the second part...yes Geoff, could we please jsut accelerate this damn rebuild already? Why the hell you would think fans want to watch their team slowly linger, suffer and die, rather than going quick and heading for a rebirth, I do not remotely understand. But its enough now. Before Arco is drawing 10,000 and still claiming sellouts, let's get a move on already.
Of course if they do go "all young" 10,000 may be the highest number of people at a single Kings game all year.

I am pretty sure the cap situation is what Petrie is doing here. This summer could be a big one.
 

Bricklayer

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#26
You mean like Portland fans know they are building towards something?
Different situation -- Portland actually made the same mistake that we have been making -- they waited too long, and with shaky personalities. Waited until it all blew up in their faces, and THAT'S when they lost the fanbase. They killed it by mediocrity and ugliness, so by the time they went to rebuild, everybody was already sick of them. Portland is more like what happened in Charlotte. The fanbase abandoned thme after an ugly collapse.

This is all about having a clue and planning ahead rather than blundering about blindly and reactively. The ride is a hell of a lot smoother if you're executing a well though out plan rather than making moves when you run into a wall with your eyes closed and no longer have any choice.
 
#27
The Portland comparison is interesting to me because I lived up there for awhile and the situation is similar. That team is a joke right now after a long slide that began right about where we're at right now: after failing to reach the top they got desparate and just started trying to add pieces. It's easy to call them stupid moves now but their owner was pouring money into that team for years trying to add every available piece of talent. Which is basically what we're faced with now, every time an AI looks available the fanbase howls for a new savior and quick fix.

They were good fans in Portland though, think about how long it took them to really turn on their team, like ten years of nastiness. You see some kings "fans" turning on their team already and we haven't even missed the playoff yet.

Oh wait the article, yeah...actually I'm encouraged and my current fantasy is that GP can get a good trade for Artest from some other sucker team trying to make a playoff push. No hurry I guess, better deals might be available near the deadline.

I think the experiment was a failure and that Ron needs to go. I think he's the root of the bad chemistry and he makes others play worse and the whole saga of dealing with him just drags his team down. I think its pretty obvious, but its so easy to just see his talent and intensity and make excuses for everything else.

It was never really meant to be, sports psychos are supposed to be on big-market teams like NY. Ron more so than most, so why this fantasy that he's going to learn to love Sacramento (or not love it and be professional about it) and re-sign a new reasonable contract and have a happy career here?