Bee: Theus, Shaw will talk again with Kings

[VF21]

In all fairness, I think people need to recognize there's another equally possible scenario with this whole situation.

Yes, it could be the Maloofs not making up their minds but it could also be that Petrie just isn't blown away by any of the candidates and is, therefore, continuing to throw his line into the pond and showing anything he manages to catch to the Maloofs with the provisio that he's not done fishing.

If you look at the Maloof comments after Brooks interview, it doesn't look like Joe and Gavin were the ones dragging their respective feet.

 

[Rockmeister]

San Antonio isn't slow. If he has fast guys, he's not going to slow down the game. On the other hand, if Petrie keeps SAR and Miller and Salmons - yeah, we're going to have a very slow and boring team no matter who the coach is.

PJ's record is 183-222. I would much rather start with someone with a 0-0 record.

 

[Kingster]

their best bet is waiting for PJ carlesimo

I agree, but Seattle hired a Spurs management guy to be their GM. PJ could be headed for Seattle.

 

[Kingster]

In all fairness, I think people need to recognize there's another equally possible scenario with this whole situation.

Yes, it could be the Maloofs not making up their minds but it could also be that Petrie just isn't blown away by any of the candidates and is, therefore, continuing to throw his line into the pond and showing anything he manages to catch to the Maloofs with the provisio that he's not done fishing.

If you look at the Maloof comments after Brooks interview, it doesn't look like Joe and Gavin were the ones dragging their respective feet.

It could also be the public apathy towards Brooks. He's not exactly a ticket seller.

 

[kupman]

PJ's record is 183-222.

I hear a lot of this around here. However, I wonder what Phil Jackson's record would have been had he spent his time in Portland and Golden State?

 

[CruzDude]

I think the potential-coach carousel with the Kings might be a smoke screen to cover their (Maloofs?) mistake from last year. So now they interview a bunch then pick Scott. IMHO

 

[nbrans]

I hear a lot of this around here. However, I wonder what Phil Jackson's record would have been had he spent his time in Portland and Golden State?

I wonder how many times Phil would have been choked by one of his players? I'm guessing zero.

 

[BudWright]

I really enjoy the posts about players, team, coach, etc. and of course, that last Brick commentary was just too funny. But, I am so tired of all the talk about the Maloofs and Petrie: who is making the decisions, who is holding the process up, etc. The bottom line here is NO ONE KNOWS the answers to those questions but the Maloofs and Petrie and they aren't saying. Unless you have personally talked to them and they told you, the endless babble about that is boring. Annie.

 

[fnordius]

I hear a lot of this around here. However, I wonder what Phil Jackson's record would have been had he spent his time in Portland and Golden State?

Portland was a decent team at the time. Golden State was absolutely floundering, despite having some good personnel. There have been only 6 complete seasons in franchise history in which the Warriors won 21 or less games, and Dave Cowens and PJ Carlesimo account for 4 of those -- which was impressive, since those guys only coached during 2 (non-lockout shortened) seasons each.

Phil Jackson isn't the example I would choose, since there will always be the debate about how good of a coach he is versus how lucky of a coach he is. But I think a good coach would have done better then .289 at Golden State, with players like Larry Hughes, Antawn Jamison, Donyell Marshall, Erik Dampier, Jim Jackson, Latrell Sprewell, etc. The roster wasn't great, but it was better than 29% good. They needed to be moulded into a team, and that didn't happen.

 

[uolj]

I hear a lot of this around here. However, I wonder what Phil Jackson's record would have been had he spent his time in Portland and Golden State?

Rick Adelman had better success with both those teams immediately before Carlesimo started coaching them.

That doesn't exactly answer your question since the rosters might have been a bit different, but it's enough (with the Sprewell thing) for me to prefer somebody else be hired.

 

[kupman]

I totally get what you guys are saying. I am just saying that looking beyond just his record with two struggling franchises is warranted. By no means do I think that he is the right guy. But I do think he gets a bit of a bum deal with the GS experience.

And who would try and choke Phil.....not many. I always thought that the Zen master could kick some serious ars if given the chance.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

LOL.....this is one of the funniest things I have read on this board in the past few weeks..........and to think that it might be actually true.

HAHAHA!!! That was DAMN funny Brick!

 

[BMiller52]

Rick Adelman had better success with both those teams immediately before Carlesimo started coaching them.

That doesn't exactly answer your question since the rosters might have been a bit different, but it's enough (with the Sprewell thing) for me to prefer somebody else be hired.

Rick Adelman will probably be better than any coach we hire, but our objective is to find the best one not wait until we find one better than Rick. Because it's just not going to happen IMO. And honestly, PJ's 1st season in Portland wasn't much worse than Rick's last. The team went from 47 to 44 wins. Not a huge drop off at all IMO, especially considering Drexler was traded half way through that season.

 

[kingsfan916]

good job brick that was funny

 

[uolj]

Rick Adelman will probably be better than any coach we hire, but our objective is to find the best one not wait until we find one better than Rick. Because it's just not going to happen IMO. And honestly, PJ's 1st season in Portland wasn't much worse than Rick's last. The team went from 47 to 44 wins. Not a huge drop off at all IMO, especially considering Drexler was traded half way through that season.

That makes sense, but I the point was in reference to the question about what Phil Jackson would have done.

As far as Carlesimo goes, I have yet to hear a good reason to hire him. Maybe I haven't been reading closely enough. The fact that he's an assistant on a successful team doesn't mean that much, especially when there are many other potential coaches that fall into the same category.

I've heard reasons not to hire him, though. And one thing he has that many of the other assistants don't have is a poor record as a head coach. That's a negative, not a neutral. That doesn't mean he can't be a good coach, but it does mean he is near the bottom of my list.

 

[SacKings384]

I kind of want Shaw... NBA isn't as much (now I'm saying as much... You do need a coach that knows what he's doing) as x's and o's as it is getting the players to respect you and do what you ask of them. I think Shaw could do that.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

Tangent

This coaching search is very odd and I agree with a lot of the criticisms expressed here.

However, what makes this so difficult for me to accuratley judge as that as fans this is the one area where we really have almost zero knowledge over who is a good candidate.

Players we have watched with other teams and seen every game on NBA TV. We have evaluated their stats, physical characteristics, potential and can make judgements with near equal knowledge to the management who chooses them.

Drafts we can evaluate similarly to above. We have information and videos at our fingertips.

Strategies in game and overall we have all studied for years and we are intimatley familiar with our team's personel to judge the direction we should go.

GMs we judge by watching their past moves.

However, most of these coaching candidates I have absolutley zero idea about. Sure if they coached a couple of teams I can make some inferences. However, for a lot of them, look at what we judge by - how many years they were in the NBA, what team they were an assistant for, what their playing style was, what they look like, etc. Honestly, I have little idea what their rapport level is with players, I have little idea what their bball accumen is, I have little idea what their ideas are for our team. As a very knowlegeable fan base, I believe this is the type of decision that is the hardest for us to judge.

Porter, Rambis, Shaw, Brooks? Honestly, I feel very confident about a number of player evaluations, but we know very little about these guys often going off gut instincts and hunches. I don't know if there is really meaningful point here, but I felt it worth pointing out that for all of our inferences and criticism this the one area where we are going mostly off guess work and very little actual fact.

 

[kennadog]

So we know Shaw's interview is tomorrow, but still don't know when Theus will have his, I guess? Maybe now we'll know soon if PJ gets a shot.