Bee: Poor rebounding a hot topic among Kings

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http://www.sacbee.com/351/story/130956.html

Poor rebounding a hot topic among Kings
By Sam Amick - Bee Staff Writer
Last Updated 7:21 am PST Thursday, March 1, 2007


Words aside, Kings forward Shareef Abdur-Rahim was saying, facts don't lie.

With a rebounding differential of negative 3.8, the Kings are 27th out of 30 teams in the league, having been outrebounded in 26 of 30 games entering Wednesday's game against Charlotte. And it didn't take coach Eric Musselman's much talked-about postgame session in Philadelphia to bring that to light.

"You can't really blame that on anything," Abdur-Rahim said. "I mean, it's what, (26 out of 30) games? I mean we're not happy about that, and the coaches can't be happy about that."

After so much discussion over whether Musselman was being sarcastic with his remarks, he made an unscheduled appearance on KHTK (1140 AM) on Tuesday, insisting then and a day later that he was being sincere. His comments concerned the Kings' lack of rebounding and possible fatigue from playing their fourth game in five nights, with Musselman saying he took the blame for both.

"As a leader, you take responsibility for your troops, your team, or whatever -- that's just what you do," Musselman said. "I wasn't being sarcastic at all.

"I understand the lay of the land, and the lay of the land is it falls on the head coach."

Musselman has taken his share of public hits lately, including a quote from Kings co-owner Joe Maloof in Sunday's New York Times in which he called his coach "inexperienced." Maloof declined comment on the matter, but team spokesman Troy Hanson said, "The Maloofs are the biggest Kings fans, and they're frustrated with the season."

As for the rebounding, it's a work in progress that's clearly not working.

"I don't know if it's fixable," forward Corliss Williamson said. "A lot of times, we're going undersized. And there are a lot of times where our bigs, including myself, only have like one or two rebounds.

"Not to make an excuse, but there's 30 teams in the NBA, and where are we ranked, last? Some teams are better at rebounding, and some aren't."

The fatigue, Musselman said, could be handled with more conditioning.

"The team's got to be in great condition," he said. "Pat Riley's teams, when their guys played four games in five nights, they don't want to use that as an excuse. He drives his teams where they have 3 1/2-hour practices and they are in great shape."

About the writer: The Bee's Sam Amick can be reached at samick@sacbee.com.
 

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"As a leader, you take responsibility for your troops, your team, or whatever -- that's just what you do," Musselman said. "I wasn't being sarcastic at all.

"I understand the lay of the land, and the lay of the land is it falls on the head coach."
There's only one really big problem, Coach Musselman. It's becoming more and more apparent with each passing day that you are not the leader...

And the idea that Musselman thinks he can get the same kind of response from his team as Pat Riley gets from his is laughable, in a sad, pathetic kind of way.
 

piksi

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There's only one really big problem, Coach Musselman. It's becoming more and more apparent with each passing day that you are not the leader...

And the idea that Musselman thinks he can get the same kind of response from his team as Pat Riley gets from his is laughable, in a sad, pathetic kind of way.
maybe he was sarcastic this time around;)
 
#4
Can anyone check on what the Kings Players stats say on not only total rebounds but rebounds per minute? I'm not sure where to get that info any one who can help me out I would appreciate it.
 
#5
i would feel much better if musselhead and everyone else just came out and said it. "WE DONT have the players to get the job done on the boards". at least thats telling you something. gotta ship some out and ship some in. all this "fatigue" nonsence has got to stop. that may be a legitimate excuse if we were amongst the best in team rebounding; but the fact that we get beat on the boards every game???? i dont wana hear it
 
#7
hopefully someone in the front office opens thier eyes and realizes that bibby martin and artest are our strong points and we need 2 keep that core together. Feel free to ship out miller KT (please god) and or shareef. I personally like shareef and feel he is a good role player on this team. I would keep him but if we could make a decent trade for him i would do it. I love brad but we need a big man 2 get boards not jack up 3's, so he is on my trade block. I still havent figured out why mussleman hasnt even thought about playing justin williams for more than 5 minutes, he is young and athletic and fits the description of what we need....so put him in the game ASAP!!!
 

gunks

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Well...Justin had some really good games when on his second 10-day. But since then he hasnt done much.

He got a chance as a starter and didnt do anything..Since then his PT has taken a hit, but I think if he was given minutes on a more consistant basis (maybe 10 a game) he'd start coming around.
 
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Would someone please tell me why it is Eric Meselman's fault that Brad Miller, our tallest player, routinely watches balls fly over his head without moving his arms? He rebounds like a casual bird-watcher. Rebounds are largely a factor controlled by effort and aforethought. Most of the Kings players don't seem to try very hard.

One has to be generally under the basket to retrieve a ball. Just look where the Kings are when a rebound comes off. Brad may be the worst, but most of the team won't rebound. Last night Brad missed a free-throw. It bounced back to the foul line. The opposing player retrieved it as it crossed the foul line. Brad was five feet away heading the wrong direction. Maybe they all caught the anti-rebounding virus from Mike Bibby? You don't have to be a giant to rebound, you just need to try.
 
#12
Did a little checking and not sure what this prooves. Just some data to add to the pile. Here are the players that get the majority of the minutes. I have listed first their rebounds per game this year followed by their career average.

SAR 5.1 7.7
Artest 6.7 5.0
Bibby 3.2 3.3
Martin 4.2 3.2
Miller 6.7 7.7
Salmons 3.7 2.4
Thomas 6.4 7.3
Corliss 3.1 3.9

If Muss is looking to win rebounding battles (he is consumed by it) then why not just play Justin Williams? Muss seems to contradict himself.
 

Bricklayer

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I'll go ahead and crunch those numbers here in a few. Done it before, no reason not to do it once more. Won't be pretty though.
 
#14
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Rebounding talent is in a guy the same way scoring talent, driving to the hoop talent, shotblocking talent, defending talent, and passing talent are in a guy. None of our starters have it this year. Bonzi did last year and saved us. Effort may have a +/- 15% effect on a guys base rebounding talent but Rodman in his prime could outrebound Corliss even if Corliss tries super super hard with a cherry on top.
 
#15
Muss is a young coach. Of course he doesn't have the credibility of a Pat Riley right off the bat, but can you fault him for trying?

Why no blame for Geoff "losing Bonzi doesn't matter because we'll improve our rebounding as a team" Petrie?

I remember him saying that over the summer, and my gut reaction was spot on. This goes way beyond coaching.
 
#16
I'll go ahead and crunch those numbers here in a few. Done it before, no reason not to do it once more. Won't be pretty though.
Thanks in advance I got to thinking about this a couple of games ago when KT had 7 rebounds in 13 minutes. We got out rebounded in that game (suprise) but just wondering if KT gets minutes what would he be averaging and would we all be so disapointed with his production?
 
#17
Well...Justin had some really good games when on his second 10-day. But since then he hasnt done much.
Just the same, as of a week or so back (when I looked at his numbers, I don't want to do it now when Brick's already doing it), his average was just over .4 rebounds and .04 blocks per minute (19.4 rebounds and 2.1 blocks per 48 minutes). There will always be questions about how much "per minute" stats mean, but the only one of his which looks bad is "missed FTs per minute."
 

Bricklayer

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You know, Petrie is the new "teflon man". The man in charge of our personnel decisions puts together a dysfunctional, boring, and futureless crew of one dimesnional softies, but somehow its always part of his master plan, or if its not, its somebody else's fault. Hardly. He misjudged. Screwed up. Was wrong. Multiple times in recent years actually. And now has himself, and us, in a pickle.
 

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We'll agree to somewhat disagree, Brick. I think there was a plan but that for whatever reason it didn't work out. The intent was to rejuvenate the team on the fly and still keep them competitive. It didn't work...

We're experiencing what pretty much every other team has gone through. I honestly don't understand why people think the Kings would somehow be immune from players getting older, having injuries, being too expensive to re-sign, etc.
 

SacTownKid

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Bonzi didn't make us a dominant rebounding teams. We still sucked on the boards for the most part.

Another thing worth mentioning is that it's awfully hard to beat a team on the boards when you play no defense. The opposing team gets more opportunities than we do on the boards because we shoot a lesser FG %, sucky rebounding team aside.
 

Bricklayer

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Bonzi didn't make us a dominant rebounding teams. We still sucked on the boards for the most part.
Bonzi Wells: 7.7reb 32.4min
Kevin Martin 4.2reb 35.7min
Diff: +3.5reb

Kings Reb Deficit 06-07: -3.7reb

Bonzi could not singlehandedly make us into a good rebounding team, but he disguised the weakness to a significant degree. Last year we were only -1.6 despite having Bonzi for only 52 games, and getting worse performances per minute out of Brad, Reef, Ron and Mike. This year our OG is just an average rebounder, and the mess up front is badly exposed. If you were going to keep that frontcourt you absolutely had to keep Bonzi, or someone like him, to do what they could not. We failed.
 
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Didn't Bonzi turn down our overpriced (evident by his current contract) offer?
Yes. No blame can go to our front office for such a generous offer (as far as Bonzi not coming back - I guess you could say they overbid against themselves, but Bonzi was probably considered worth the $$$).
 
#27
Naah... Petrie's only fault is in thinking that, since paying Utah to take Keon off our hands, the only rebounding help we needed was KT and Skinner. No, wait, make that KT and Potapenko.