Bee: Martin puts rough game behind him

[GoGoGadget]

Looks to me like your the only one who know b-ball on the board.

A lot of wishful-thinking Sac homers on this board that know little or nothing about basketball (or comprehending posts, for that matter).

It's not exactly fair for you to combat the perceived dismissal of your opinion by insulting the posters on this message board en masse. Nor is it an effective method of getting people to take you seriously.

 

[VF21]

^^and thatguy wins the thread.

 

[BMiller52]

Ok King Guru you're saying Mo Taylor might be mad he doesn't get PT under Muss but guess what-Skinner was twice the player of Mo T and he didn't get PT under Rick. Bottom line is you can't please everyone. And Douby is a rookie, of course he won't get much PT. Martin got about the same as a rookie and look how he's turning out. Douby will have to use this year to learn the ropes and next year he should really get a chance. But what you think he should play over Salmons, Price, Garcia, or Bibby? Bottom line is we have a lot of guards and not everyone will get PT right now. First sign of a mistake by Eric and you are quicker to jump on him than a crouching tiger.

 

[VF21]

I think the misunderstanding is all yours. My oint was that a number of players are disatisifed. MT is because he was told he would be the back-up center, which he is not. He deserves pine, but that wasn't my oint.

With QD (I know it is Douby), name me a player this year anywhere in the first round who is not injured and playing less. Again, your comment suggests a basic misundestanding of my point. Despite his abilities QD would be justifiably miffed at seeing the least playing time of any first round draft choice. Another potential enemy of Muss

Before you comment, try to understand my posts.

Thank you

Oh, nice try.

And how do YOU know the players are dissatisfied? Hrm?

It's not about a player being promised anything. I seriously doubt if Taylor was, as you seem to believe, promised he would be a back-up center. He's getting his paycheck. He will be used as and when the team sees fit.

As far as Quincy goes, your assumption that he would be justifiably miffed is also without merit.

The best part of your comment, however, is the incredible irony in this statement:

Before you comment, try to understand my posts.

You might want to consider doing the same with some of the other posts that have been made in this forum. thatguy wasn't agreeing with you, sweetie. He was ridiculing you or, more correctly, your pompous attitude.

 

[Insomniacal Fan]

This would be my largest concern on the matter.

Not that this one incident loses Kevin or whatnot, but that that quick hook has the potential to frustrate guys and over time it could cumlatively undermine Muss's authority. There was a certain wisdom to Rick's approach -- frustrate the fans, not your players.

I would think that it would be frustrating to sit on the bench for 40 minutes behind a guy shooting 15% and doing nothing else.

 

[Bricklayer]

I would think that it would be frustrating to sit on the bench for 40 minutes behind a guy shooting 15% and doing nothing else.

And irrelevant. You win with your Top 7. If Jason Hart or Ronnie Price feels squeezed that might create a little stir in the locker room, but on court you should be fine. If Kevin Martin or Brad Miller or SAR or somebody tunes you out...that's the beginning of the end.

In any case there are no absolutes, and Kevin did absolutely nothing out there. For the one game it was the right choice. But that's terminally short-sighted. The one game is almost irrelevant. You've got to coach for the big picture. And big picture isn't about basketball at all really -- its about human relations.

 

[rumpled]

Wow, is it time for fire muss talks to begin already? Seems like just yesterday I was wishing Adelman would substitute players based on their actual play.

Anyway, the way I see it, in that situation a coach can either leave a guy out there to struggle or yank him and let him think about it...and it sort of depends on the player as to which would work best for learning. Its not like one way is always right and the other way kills the players soul or something. Muss is paid to make those calls so without any evidence that Kevin's developement has been harmed, and a win in the pocket, I'm not going to secondguess it.

I mean c'mon people, if the kid was so mentally weak he can't handle being taken out of a game he'd have gone home to mama after rookie year. Why would this kill his confidence when the rookie years didn't? Makes no sense to me, so I ain't worried.

If he's got the kind of determination and heart we all hope he does, this will only make him tougher. And if he doesn't he was never going to be any better than a cuttino mobley anyway, so why worry.

 

[Andriod_KiNg]

Why where there a legit reason to leave him out there if he was struggling ? I mean is it for the reason that we can continue to gluot about him... im glad Muss did this, he is showing guys that he wont pick favorites and that he can trust his bench... I dont know if we would even have this arguement if any other player was pulled out ...

 

[SacTownKid]

I was surprised to see Kevin benched but I can certainly understand the rationale.It's just something long-time Kings fans are going to have to get used to, I suspect. Different coach, different philosophy.

It's also one of those things you hear fans screaming for the coach to do. "Take the bum out" blah blah blah.

I guess you really can't win in that situation as a coach.

 

[Cal-Kings]

Wow, is it time for fire muss talks to begin already? Seems like just yesterday I was wishing Adelman would substitute players based on their actual play.

Anyway, the way I see it, in that situation a coach can either leave a guy out there to struggle or yank him and let him think about it...and it sort of depends on the player as to which would work best for learning. Its not like one way is always right and the other way kills the players soul or something. Muss is paid to make those calls so without any evidence that Kevin's developement has been harmed, and a win in the pocket, I'm not going to secondguess it.

I mean c'mon people, if the kid was so mentally weak he can't handle being taken out of a game he'd have gone home to mama after rookie year. Why would this kill his confidence when the rookie years didn't? Makes no sense to me, so I ain't worried.

If he's got the kind of determination and heart we all hope he does, this will only make him tougher. And if he doesn't he was never going to be any better than a cuttino mobley anyway, so why worry.

ITA. I think that was well said.

 

[nbrans]

Wow, is it time for fire muss talks to begin already? Seems like just yesterday I was wishing Adelman would substitute players based on their actual play.

Anyway, the way I see it, in that situation a coach can either leave a guy out there to struggle or yank him and let him think about it...and it sort of depends on the player as to which would work best for learning. Its not like one way is always right and the other way kills the players soul or something. Muss is paid to make those calls so without any evidence that Kevin's developement has been harmed, and a win in the pocket, I'm not going to secondguess it.

I mean c'mon people, if the kid was so mentally weak he can't handle being taken out of a game he'd have gone home to mama after rookie year. Why would this kill his confidence when the rookie years didn't? Makes no sense to me, so I ain't worried.

If he's got the kind of determination and heart we all hope he does, this will only make him tougher. And if he doesn't he was never going to be any better than a cuttino mobley anyway, so why worry.

I don't think it's as cut and dry as this. Kevin is still a young player, and it still remains to be seen if the incredible tear he's been on this season is a reflection how good he really is or a fluky start. I mean, we all saw the stat -- the only player in the history of the game to shoot 50% from the field/40% from 3/90% from the line and average 20+ points was Larry freakin' Bird. I just don't think it's wise to start messing with that

It's not a matter of hurting Kevin's feelings or a reflection on him beign mentally weak, it's about keeping his head in the right place. Jerking him in and out of the game makes him start thinking about things he shouldn't have to think about. He shouldn't have to worry about missing his next shot because it might land him on the pine. He should be able to focus on his game without worrying about Musselman's way-too-quick-hook.

Now, Kevin will probably bounce back and hey, we won the game and everything's fine. But these are the type of incremental things that can lead to problems down the line.

I'm all for benching in the right circumstances. I think the coach should go with the lineup that's working down the stretch. But there's a fine line that I think Musselman crossed in the last game.

 

[Cal-Kings]

I don't think it's as cut and dry as this. Kevin is still a young player, and it still remains to be seen if the incredible tear he's been on this season is a reflection how good he really is or a fluky start. I mean, we all saw the stat -- the only player in the history of the game to shoot 50% from the field/40% from 3/90% from the line and average 20+ points was Larry freakin' Bird. I just don't think it's wise to start messing with that

It's not a matter of hurting Kevin's feelings or a reflection on him beign mentally weak, it's about keeping his head in the right place. Jerking him in and out of the game makes him start thinking about things he shouldn't have to think about. He shouldn't have to worry about missing his next shot because it might land him on the pine. He should be able to focus on his game without worrying about Musselman's way-too-quick-hook.

Now, Kevin will probably bounce back and hey, we won the game and everything's fine. But these are the type of incremental things that can lead to problems down the line.

I'm all for benching in the right circumstances. I think the coach should go with the lineup that's working down the stretch. But there's a fine line that I think Musselman crossed in the last game.

I understand your argument and it makes sense.

However, the crux depends on Kevin's mental toughness.

I think you believe that it can be "messed with" by this kind of benching.

I don't know Kevin. I just tend to agree with Rumpled that Kevin appears to be stronger than that, or at least, he better be if he wants to be an all-star in this league.