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Kings face draft uncertainties
By Scott Howard-Cooper - Bee Staff Writer
Last Updated 12:08 am PDT Saturday, June 2, 2007
Story appeared in SPORTS section, Page C6


LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. -- An uneventful NBA predraft camp ended Friday with little movement by 62 prospects trying to push into the top half of the first round -- or either of the two rounds in some cases -- and little apparent trade movement by the team that might be among the most active of the offseason.

The Kings could have Ron Artest and Mike Bibby available during the coming months. Beyond that, and perhaps before making any major deal, they might consider becoming a greater factor in the draft by acquiring another first-round pick.

"We would," Kings basketball president Geoff Petrie said. "I can't predict if we will (make a trade). A lot of that stuff really comes up in the three or four or five or six days leading up to the draft. There's sort of this whole incubation period that goes on. It starts with, 'If you want to do anything ... ' "

Every team has a similar stance heading into the draft, either those trying to add a pick or those near the end of the first round preferring a deal to escape the guaranteed contract that automatically goes to each of the top 30 choices.

The difference in the Kings of 2007 is that they so far have just one selection -- No. 10 overall -- in what is being billed as the deepest draft in years, and just nine players under contract as of July 1.

The 76ers have three spots in the first round, at Nos. 12, 21 and 30. The Hawks (3 and 11), Bobcats (8 and 22), Suns (24 and 29) and Pistons (15 and 27) have two each, making each a logical trade possibility, although less likely in the case of Atlanta because of the high cost to acquire a lottery pick.

A deal could be for an existing player, but the more common scenario is a trade during the draft for a future first-round pick. Depending on the targeted spot, the Kings almost certainly would safeguard themselves from the risk of swapping a 2007 selection in the teens or 20s for a 2008 choice potentially in the lottery by including a clause to retain the '08 pick if it was in the top 10 or 14, and maybe even keeping a lesser protection in place in 2009.

On the calendar -- Spencer Hawes said he has a workout scheduled with the Kings in about two weeks, but the Washington 7-footer also said he still is considering a return to school for his sophomore season -- a move that would deal another blow to a draft already weak on centers.

"Sacramento, with the way they use Brad Miller, long term, that's the kind of player I hope to develop into," he said, echoing a comparison others have made.

Hawes said he has no timetable for a decision on whether to remain in the draft, but did say he became more inclined to stay once Roy Hibbert -- previously the No. 2 prospect among centers behind Greg Oden -- decided to continue at Georgetown. The deadline to withdraw is June 18.

Exhibition preview -- The Kings will again play the Lakers in an exhibition game in Las Vegas, this time Oct. 26. The full schedule will be released later.

About the writer: The Bee's Scott Howard-Cooper can be reached at showard-cooper@sacbee.com.
 
"Sacramento, with the way they use Brad Miller, long term, that's the kind of player I hope to develop into," he said, echoing a comparison others have made.

I don't want a Brad Miller wannabe - that's the worst thing I think I could hear a guy say.
 
Well, if Spencer Hawes has the intent of modeling himself after Brad Miller then I am really not interested in him. Lazy sportswriters drawing the comparison is one thing, but the player declaring Miller as his role model is quite another.
 
I keep having the faintest notion of coming around to the idea of Spencer Hawes. The thing about Brad Miller that always made him less effective than Vlade is that he doesn't have a post game. Vlade could go inside and out, Brad is just out on the perimeter.

But then I remember that this essentially describes Andrew Bogut, and that brings me back to earth. Athleticism, please!
 
I want a center who can hold his ground defensively and bully his way to the hole? Vlade could - Brad can't. If Spencer can - he's welcome. If he can't, he isn't.
 
Brad was at one time an All-Star

Actually twice. I'd take anyone who in the future would be an All star player. Then again the key word is "was" and I don't think anybody would think he's headed back to elite status after this past season. Yeah there is a hole at center, but I think there are bigger holes at point guard, and power foward. It would be interesting to see what Brad could contribute if he stays healthy. Key word, "IF"
 
Can Hawes rebound? Because that's where we were weakest last year. Dead last in the league, I think.​


No he can't, or at least did not in his only year in college.

Being soft and unathletic has gotten so so very old.
 
I'm probably in the minority but I'm really hoping the Kings can get Hawes. When people talk about his lack of rebounding and shot blocking they don't seem to take into account that this was his first year of college b-ball and he has a ton of room to improve in both of those aspects. He is also much much more athletic then most people give him credit for and he probably has the best or maybe 2nd best post game of any prospect in the draft right now. On top of that he can shoot and pass well also. It's not going to take much for this kid to become a legit all star. If he wants to put in the work and has good teachers there is no reason he can't become at least a good rebounder, shot blocker, and defender.
 
I don't want a Brad Miller wannabe - that's the worst thing I think I could hear a guy say.


I don't think this is entirely fair. There Kings could do much worse in the draft than acquiring a player who would develop into the all star version of Brad Miller. I think a lot of people cringe at this comparison because when we think of Brad we think of a soft, immobile center who can pass and shoot but do little else. However, before Brad injured his knee a few years back he was an all star center who could shoot, take the ball to the rack (at least take other centers), set good screens and was a tough, gritty defender.

The all star version of Brad would be useful to any team as long as there was an athletic shotblocker next to him. Obviously the challenge to Petrie will be to find that complementary piece. However, at #10, there probably will not be this type of player available. So if if he really believes that Hawes will become another all star version of Brad Miller and he is available at #10, we could do much worse.
 
I don't think this is entirely fair. There Kings could do much worse in the draft than acquiring a player who would develop into the all star version of Brad Miller.

Brad played like an all star at PF a few years ago when he was complimented by Vlade, Bibby and Peja (and Doug for that matter) all playing well too. His all star appoinment as a center in the East should have an asterisk - there just wasn't anybody else over there to give the job to that year.

OK it isn't fair - I'm not fair to Brad. Ever since the Spurs series last year Brad has played like garbage most of the time - so I am not fair to him. I admit it. I think he is our biggest problem along with Kenny. Almost $20M of wasted salary between them as far as I'm concerned.

I would love to see Brad show up next year in shape - having spent the summer working out so he can actually push another center out of the paint and have the stamina to play the whole year without pooping out in the playoffs like he did in his debacle series vs the Spurs.

But I'm not holding my breath for that. He didn't come back last year fit to attone for the Spurs series so why will he change now? He's gotten used to simply giving the mea culpas on the radio the next day like being some kind of straight shooter on the radio makes it all better.

I don't want a prospect at #10 whose upside, is THAT.
 
I wouldn't mind seeing Miller at the 4 with a bulkier Williams at the 5, to be honest (if we keep Brad).

Still need to draft a big man. Whoever that is can come off the bench, maybe as a 6th man.

If we keep everyone, a starting 5 of Bibby, Martin, Artest, Miller and Williams would be OK. Not great, but OK.

This is the scenario I'd want if no-one wants to deal with Petrie.
 
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Brad played like an all star at PF a few years ago when he was complimented by Vlade, Bibby and Peja (and Doug for that matter) all playing well too. His all star appoinment as a center in the East should have an asterisk - there just wasn't anybody else over there to give the job to that year.

OK it isn't fair - I'm not fair to Brad. Ever since the Spurs series last year Brad has played like garbage most of the time - so I am not fair to him. I admit it. I think he is our biggest problem along with Kenny. Almost $20M of wasted salary between them as far as I'm concerned.

I would love to see Brad show up next year in shape - having spent the summer working out so he can actually push another center out of the paint and have the stamina to play the whole year without pooping out in the playoffs like he did in his debacle series vs the Spurs.

But I'm not holding my breath for that. He didn't come back last year fit to attone for the Spurs series so why will he change now? He's gotten used to simply giving the mea culpas on the radio the next day like being some kind of straight shooter on the radio makes it all better.

I don't want a prospect at #10 whose upside, is THAT.

I never said you weren't being fair to Brad Miller. He lost his edge and has not appeared to work very hard at staying in shape and rehabbing since his knee injury. He has done plenty to earn his place in the dog house.

However, when people in this forum are vehimently against acquiring a player like Spencer Hawes because he gets compared to Brad Miller I do not think people are taking the comparison as it is attended. While you are correct that Brad was never a dominant all star center, he was a deserved all star and a very good player at a weak position. We can debate all day if Hawes can become that player; however, if going into the draft we were guarenteed that Hawes would play like all star Brad Miller throughout his career I would not mind having that with the #10 pick.

I am not advocating picking him at 10 or saying he will reach that level. However, I feel that people really need to judge Hawes as a player and not automatically disqualify him because he is associated with a player who is now an albatross on our team in what it turning out to be the twilight of his career.
 
I never said you weren't being fair to Brad Miller. He lost his edge and has not appeared to work very hard at staying in shape and rehabbing since his knee injury. He has done plenty to earn his place in the dog house.

However, when people in this forum are vehimently against acquiring a player like Spencer Hawes because he gets compared to Brad Miller I do not think people are taking the comparison as it is attended. While you are correct that Brad was never a dominant all star center, he was a deserved all star and a very good player at a weak position. We can debate all day if Hawes can become that player; however, if going into the draft we were guarenteed that Hawes would play like all star Brad Miller throughout his career I would not mind having that with the #10 pick.

I am not advocating picking him at 10 or saying he will reach that level. However, I feel that people really need to judge Hawes as a player and not automatically disqualify him because he is associated with a player who is now an albatross on our team in what it turning out to be the twilight of his career.

Well said. OK I get your point :) .
 
I don't think this is entirely fair. There Kings could do much worse in the draft than acquiring a player who would develop into the all star version of Brad Miller. I think a lot of people cringe at this comparison because when we think of Brad we think of a soft, immobile center who can pass and shoot but do little else. However, before Brad injured his knee a few years back he was an all star center who could shoot, take the ball to the rack (at least take other centers), set good screens and was a tough, gritty defender.

The all star version of Brad would be useful to any team as long as there was an athletic shotblocker next to him. Obviously the challenge to Petrie will be to find that complementary piece. However, at #10, there probably will not be this type of player available. So if if he really believes that Hawes will become another all star version of Brad Miller and he is available at #10, we could do much worse.

I don't remember that happening.
 
No he can't, or at least did not in his only year in college.

Being soft and unathletic has gotten so so very old.

Too bad...Cause soft and unathletic are two of the three things Petrie looks for in a big. The other being a jumper :p
 
I'm probably in the minority but I'm really hoping the Kings can get Hawes. When people talk about his lack of rebounding and shot blocking they don't seem to take into account that this was his first year of college b-ball and he has a ton of room to improve in both of those aspects. He is also much much more athletic then most people give him credit for and he probably has the best or maybe 2nd best post game of any prospect in the draft right now. On top of that he can shoot and pass well also. It's not going to take much for this kid to become a legit all star. If he wants to put in the work and has good teachers there is no reason he can't become at least a good rebounder, shot blocker, and defender.

To me, we would instantly get tougher in the post if we got him. But I just don't see how he gets past Chicago. He'd be perfect for them.
 
To me, we would instantly get tougher in the post if we got him. But I just don't see how he gets past Chicago. He'd be perfect for them.

We would instantly get tougher in the post if we somehow managed to get Raef LaFrentz. Not much of a statment when you are talking about the Kings. ;)
 
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