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He wasn't seen as a flight risk
Stan Van Gundy's perfunctory look-see had a red-eye ending.
By Sam Amick - Bee Staff Writer
Published 12:09 am PDT Friday, June 8, 2007
Story appeared in SPORTS section, Page C1


He didn't pull a Billy Donovan. Not quite, anyway.

There was no Kings contract signed before Stan Van Gundy high-tailed out of Sacramento late Wednesday to accept the Orlando head-coaching position, just the mutual understanding that he would become the next Kings coach and the distinct possibility of a Thursday announcement as such.

Except for that one, shall we say, stipulation.

From the brink of a new era Wednesday to the prolonging of a coaching search Thursday, the Van Gundy chapter was brief and bizarre.

In recent days, Van Gundy appeared prepared to join the Kings, save for a desire to show his wife, Kim, the area, to gain a comfort level across the country from their Florida home. The couple came via the Kings' charter plane, toured the region in a rental car while Kings basketball president Geoff Petrie was at his home.

Meanwhile in Orlando, the Magic had finalized the contract dissolution with Florida coach Billy Donovan and was close to satisfying compensation demands from Miami Heat president Pat Riley for Van Gundy's contract that ran through 2008.

As the hours went by and Petrie heard no word from Van Gundy regarding the Kings' offer, Petrie said, the coach's preference became clear. Whether Van Gundy's Sacramento scouting trip was a sincere move or a stall tactic, only he knows. Van Gundy did not return a call.

"We obviously had really significant discussions with him, and he had some personal things that he needed a resolution on -- one being whether his family would be comfortable wherever he'd be working," Petrie said Thursday. "Certainly the presumption was that he was coming here, (but) that's something we have no control over. That was the reason for the visit.

"As the day wore on, it became pretty obvious that his heart of hearts was in Orlando."

Van Gundy in Orlando seemed the logical conclusion from the beginning. He was already living less than four hours away, had extended family in the area and the basketball situation, clearly, was brighter with the Magic.

According to a Kings official, their only objection is that Van Gundy wasn't more forthcoming about his dealings with the Magic. Petrie had asked Van Gundy in recent days where things stood with Orlando, and the Kings were of the understanding that they would be alerted to anything close to an impending hire.

"We honored Stan's -- what's the word I'm looking for here -- approach to how he wanted to proceed," Petrie said. "You take that at face value, and sometimes things don't work out ... .

"It's like a good friend of mine once told me, you don't cry over things that don't cry over you."

Before Van Gundy hurriedly checked out of the Embassy Suites hotel in Sacramento just before 10 p.m. on Wednesday, he -- according to the Orlando Sentinel -- spent two hours in a Kinko's copy store waiting for the Magic to call while his wife looked for Orlando homes on a computer. He faxed a signed contract to the Magic around 9:45 p.m.

Van Gundy then hopped on an airport shuttle and took a commercial flight to New York City, landing at 8 a.m. before taking another plane to Orlando.

Van Gundy had notified Petrie of his decision earlier in the evening in a brief conversation. Team co-owners Joe and Gavin Maloof, who were at the movie premiere of "Ocean's 13" at their Palms Casino in Las Vegas, were later notified. Van Gundy, who was officially introduced by the Magic on Thursday, insists he was not using the Kings as leverage.

"I wouldn't have flown out there just to negotiate with the Magic," he told the South-Florida Sun-Sentinel. "I know it was a crazy day, but why would anybody do that? When we went out there, we were not only thinking about it, we took stuff for the press conference."

The saga has opened the coaching search once again, as Petrie left many possibilities open. While Lakers assistant Kurt Rambis was the only other candidate to besides Van Gundy to receive a second interview, Petrie said the remaining six candidates will be reconsidered for possible follow-ups as well.

He also left open the possibility of new names. "I'll get with Joe and Gavin and we'll talk through the people we talked to again and maybe look at rest of landscape a little bit and go from there," he said. "It's not like we've got to hire a guy by tomorrow."

About the writer: The Bee's Sam Amick can be reached at samick@sacbee.com.
 
Petrie sounds rather angry about this IMO... and I can understand why. Stan basically used our organization to get a job with another one. He used the Maloof's plane, he let the team arrange this whole trip for him, and he misled the org and the fanbase all so he could become the freaking Magic coach. I hope we blow Orlando out and Stan gets booed when he's introduced as the Orlando Magic coach.

Also think we'll interview Porter considering the quote from Petrie at the end of the article.
 
Stuff happens. I don't blame Van Gundy for trying to make sure he had a contingency plan in place in case the Orlando thing didn't come through. And I don't think we can really figure out how Petrie feels based on a couple of quotes. We (the fans) knew there was every chance SVG would jump on the Magic job if it was offered, so I have to believe Petrie and the Maloofs knew going in it was still a possibility and took a chance they could get to him first. It didn't work out. I'm certainly not going to lose any sleep over it.
 
Petrie sounds rather angry about this IMO... and I can understand why. Stan basically used our organization to get a job with another one. He used the Maloof's plane, he let the team arrange this whole trip for him, and he misled the org and the fanbase all so he could become the freaking Magic coach. I hope we blow Orlando out and Stan gets booed when he's introduced as the Orlando Magic coach.

Also think we'll interview Porter considering the quote from Petrie at the end of the article.

Yup, my sentiments are the exactly same as yours, right now. And I do agree that we'll probably hear about a Porter interview sometime early next week. And I DO think that we're going to boo the hell out of SVG when he comes back. Whether he had intentions of coming hear or not, I think his mind was made up before he got on the plane, and he did use the Kings for leverage. The Bros. Maloof wasted about $50,000 by rushing him out here cart blanche.
 
Yup, my sentiments are the exactly same as yours, right now. And I do agree that we'll probably hear about a Porter interview sometime early next week. And I DO think that we're going to boo the hell out of SVG when he comes back. Whether he had intentions of coming hear or not, I think his mind was made up before he got on the plane, and he did use the Kings for leverage. The Bros. Maloof wasted about $50,000 by rushing him out here cart blanche.


LOL I didn't even think of the amount of money they basically wasted by rushing him out here. I'd imagine they're probably pretty pissed about this too and he probably didn't fly back on that plane...:D
 
LOL I didn't even think of the amount of money they basically wasted by rushing him out here. I'd imagine they're probably pretty pissed about this too and he probably didn't fly back on that plane...:D


Yeah, I think it was confirmed he didn't fly back on their plane.

However, it would not terribly surprise me if he ended up paying the Maloofs back for their hospitality given the circumstances. Then again, if it were really $50,000, that would be a pretty generous payback.
 
SVG didn't screw anyone over. Even a blind could see that he was just exploring options and wanted a backup plan in case ORlando didn't come through. PEtrie and Maloofs had to have known that.

Petrie is more to blame for taking a 2 week European scouting trip, looking for next lovechild/Peja while other teams were actively searching for their new coaches.
 
amen, brotha.


seriously. How can anybody be pissed off at somone for interviewing for a job, but choosing another?


One time in New Orleans my wife and I started to enter a hoighty antique store, and saw a sign that said something to effect of ...
"This is a STORE, not a museum. Browsers are not welcome, if you do not plan on purchasing something, please go elsewhere."
... we went elsewhere (and spent a few thousand bucks we could ill afford to spend at the time).
 
I think this takes things a step further than I thought it had gone -- there seems to have been a verbal agreement in place. That's pretty serious. If he wanted to come and explore the area to help make his decision he could have done so without leading the Kings to think there was going to be a press conference to announce him as head coach. That's just dirty pool.

I also don't think I've ever seen Petrie so forthcoming in an interview.
 
According to the Miami Herald Stan Van was in Sacramento because the Heat's compensation demand to Orlando was too steep and therefore even he believed he'd become the Kings head coach. It was only when Riley and the Magic worked out a reduced offer that he was free to sign a contract with his first choice, Orlando.

Posted: Friday June 08, 2007 06:58AM ET - SI.com


Stan Van Gundy has apparently landed the job he wanted most, and the Miami Heat will be compensated for letting him out of the final year of his contract as a team consultant. Pat Riley wasn't going to allow Van Gundy to go to a division and in-state rival without requiring compensation for the man who was under contract as a consultant with the Heat through next season. Riley's original request for a first-round pick and $1 million from Orlando was too steep a price for the Magic, and Van Gundy returned to Sacramento for his second visit with the Kings in less than a week with the intention of accepting a potential job offer from them.
Miami Herald
 
I think this takes things a step further than I thought it had gone -- there seems to have been a verbal agreement in place. That's pretty serious. If he wanted to come and explore the area to help make his decision he could have done so without leading the Kings to think there was going to be a press conference to announce him as head coach. That's just dirty pool.

I also don't think I've ever seen Petrie so forthcoming in an interview.
I have to agree with this. To me it sounds like SVG burnt his bridges with GP a little bit.

THis pretty much tells me that if there is an coaching vacancy with the Kings down the track and SVG is looking for a coaching job, he won't be a candidate if GP is the GM and Maloofs are the owners.

GP sounds a bit ticked off which is pretty rare for him!
 
I have to agree with this. To me it sounds like SVG burnt his bridges with GP a little bit.

THis pretty much tells me that if there is an coaching vacancy with the Kings down the track and SVG is looking for a coaching job, he won't be a candidate if GP is the GM and Maloofs are the owners.

GP sounds a bit ticked off which is pretty rare for him!

Wow. After reading Petrie's comments, I think the team is steeled to get a damn fine coach in here, and I have a feeling it's going to be someone we don't even know about yet...

And I hate Van Gundy more as I read that, because now I can place his actions in context. Think about it:

1.) He flies out on the Maloof's dime, with Petrie, who asked him repeatedly what he was thinking.
2.) He brings his wife to look at real estate, which is as close to committing to something as you can get.
3.) He blows off the job and team midway through the trip to go sit in a Kinko's and wait to fax a contract.

I'd be furious. If there was a verbal commitment made to the organization, then it is a different scenario, and he is a giant jerk for what he did. Even without it, though, it's clear that we were always second best to him.
 
Do we know the terms of the contract with the Magic? It seems clear that the Magic were hungrier for him than we were (in the aftermath of the Donovan thing), and he preferred the Magic for personal and basketball reasons.

I'm a little bummed - it was one that didn't go our way - but less and less can I blame SVG. If I had two sides vying for my services, and my first choice made an 11th hour "offer I couldn't refuse" - I can't say I'd do different than SVG did.

I think it would be classy if he sent the Maloofs a check for the jet ride though.
 
3.) He blows off the job and team midway through the trip to go sit in a Kinko's and wait to fax a contract.

First thing I thought of when I heard this was WTF??

They also said his wife was on the Computer at Kinko's looking at Orlando Homes?? I would imagine the Magic employ someone or can refer you to someone who can find a house for you :eek:

Also, does Van Gundy have an agent??? You would think he would handle all of this for him....
 
amen, brotha.


seriously. How can anybody be pissed off at somone for interviewing for a job, but choosing another?

Yes and no...thats kind of like going to a job interview, coming home, checking the mail, and having a rejection letter on the same day...the Kings were the interviewees in this situation.
 
Yeah, I think it was confirmed he didn't fly back on their plane.

However, it would not terribly surprise me if he ended up paying the Maloofs back for their hospitality given the circumstances. Then again, if it were really $50,000, that would be a pretty generous payback.
Well, I know that the cost to fly a private jet from coast-coast is around $40,000, which included pilot, fuel, etc.(it aint cheap!:D) And who knows what else they gave him while he was on his way out here, and when he got here, too.
 
Wow. After reading Petrie's comments, I think the team is steeled to get a damn fine coach in here, and I have a feeling it's going to be someone we don't even know about yet...

That's my prediction. They take a little while to heal their wounds. Regroup. Look at candidates they haven't interviewed so far. PJ is my choice, but it could be Porter or somebody else off the radar screen. Then do the "surprise" announcement. What is key in this interview is that unlike the prior interviews Petrie doesn't underline the fact that he wants to hire the coach prior to the draft. THAT IS ELIMINATED FROM THE CONVERSATION. His previous timetable just got thrown out the window. A much more important priority is TO SAVE FACE.
 
That's my prediction. They take a little while to heal their wounds. Regroup. Look at candidates they haven't interviewed so far. PJ is my choice, but it could be Porter or somebody else off the radar screen. Then do the "surprise" announcement. What is key in this interview is that unlike the prior interviews Petrie doesn't underline the fact that he wants to hire the coach prior to the draft. THAT IS ELIMINATED FROM THE CONVERSATION. His previous timetable just got thrown out the window. A much more important priority is TO SAVE FACE.
Um...if this is true, I cant think of any qualified candidate thats available that we havent already interviewed besides Porter. I sure as hell dont want PJ in here, 3 rings as an assistant or not, he's not right for this job.
 
I think we botched this big time but its hard for me to fault SVG. Some of us have been fortunate enough to have employers pay for our interview expenses - that doesn't obligate us to take the job if its offered. The fact is we were his second choice just as he was the Magic's second choice and I think that was pretty obvious before the plane flight out. That was the most promising coaching vacancy out there, let alone the fact that SVG was already in Florida and prefered to stay there.
 
Do we know the terms of the contract with the Magic? It seems clear that the Magic were hungrier for him than we were (in the aftermath of the Donovan thing), and he preferred the Magic for personal and basketball reasons.

I'm a little bummed - it was one that didn't go our way - but less and less can I blame SVG. If I had two sides vying for my services, and my first choice made an 11th hour "offer I couldn't refuse" - I can't say I'd do different than SVG did.

I think it would be classy if he sent the Maloofs a check for the jet ride though.

Precisely.

People are really making way too much of this, IMHO. I wish SVG all the luck in the world in Orlando. I'm not interested in crying over something like this. It's like having to listen to your BFF sob about the guy who dumped her for the hot cheerleader. Yawn...

I'm just anxious to see who the Kings do get. This could end up being a really interesting season - lots of stuff that could really get us going back in the right direction if the chips start to fall our way.
 
Um...if this is true, I cant think of any qualified candidate thats available that we havent already interviewed besides Porter. I sure as hell dont want PJ in here, 3 rings as an assistant or not, he's not right for this job.

Anyone who has the absolute audacity;) to asks Sprewell to throw crisp passes in practices, or, heaven forbid, sits him down while he is laughing as his team is getting routed, gets major points in my book. Why, he might even demand that his players listen to him in the huddle. How shocking that would be. If Pop likes him, I like him.

http://espn.go.com/classic/s/add_sprewell_latrell.html
 
Grant Napear: "Stan Van Gundy used the Kings."

i don't know if anybody was listening, but Grant came onto the carmichael dave show yesterday and spoke about the SVG situation. And what he had to say was interesting and surprising. According to him, Stan never had any intentions of coaching the sacramento kings. he has always wanted to coach orlando for a plethura of reasons, and just did the evil but smart thing of getting the most out of them. Basically he wanted to scare the magic by using the Kings and end up squeezing as much $$ as he could. Napear wouldn't reveal his sources, but said he said he had inside sources with information that would sound "unbelievable" to us kings fans. screw SVG, the guy is a total opposite of what a class act should be, i understand it's a business and he wanted the most out of the Magic, but using the Kings, that's the maloofs who paid for a private jet to pick him up and bring him, and GP who put so much time and effort into choosing what he thought would be the right coach for this team.
 
however, he did say that if Billy Donovan never decided to quit the Orlando job, SVG probably would have coached the Kings.
 
however, he did say that if Billy Donovan never decided to quit the Orlando job, SVG probably would have coached the Kings.
Well that kills his whole argument. We were a legitimate back up plan for him. I think anyone that thought we would be his first choice given all the circumstances is delusional.
 
I guess we're now supposed to stop being disappointed with the front office, and instead direct all of our bad feelings at SVG.

I will take Grant a lot more seriously on the day he starts saying things which don't sound like MS&E spin.
 
i'm not pissed at SVG for not choosing us, that's just childish, but the way he made it seem like this was going to be the place for him and just bust out at the last second.
 
So he had no intention of ever coaching Sacramento, he has no class, he used us, you should hear what my "sources" have to say about him. Dirty stuff. He kicks puppies. Well, except for the fact that we were his second choice and he had actually had full intentions of coaching the Kings until Donovan backed out.

Whatever, Grant.

Frankly, I'm tired of Grant's act. I've lost all respect for him. I hope the Kings decide to let him go and move in a new direction on the media front ASAP.
 
I listened to his new conference on ESPN yesterday. I recall him saying something like "I want to thank all of the people in Florida who yesterday worked so diligently to make this happen." So, while riding around the Sacramento area, he knew a lot was happening in Florida so he could accept the Orland job, hence his waiting at Kinkos. I agree he did take advantage of Sacramento, tells us somewhat about his character, but it is not the end of the world. Moving forward.....Annie.
 
Well folks there probably is some real truth to Grant's analysis about Stan having no real intent on taking the Sac job but the offer and long look at it was a nice way to get Orlando to cough up huge bucks. would he have taken the job had the Orlando gig gone south... no one will ever INCLUDING VanGundy.

I am sick of all the ranting, seoncd guessing and pointless speculation about the SVG/Orlando thing. As Shakespear said "It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and furry: signifying nothing." Lets move on and talk about who IS avalilable, what various selections could bring or mean for the teams future and maybe moreimportantly what kind of team will they have to work with.
 
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