Bee: Bibby plans to protest ejection

VF21

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http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/71029.html

Bibby plans to protest ejection
By Sam Amick - Bee Staff Writer
Last Updated 6:27 am PST Friday, November 3, 2006


CHICAGO -- When it comes to league-mandated decisions, Mike Bibby is rarely a fan.

The Kings point guard doesn't like the NBA dress code that was installed before last season, though his surprise return from a thumb injury in Wednesday night's regular-season opener at Minnesota kept his suit-less streak alive at 83 games and counting. Bibby despises the new synthetic ball, much preferring the rawhide feel of the long-gone leather.

Thursday, he added one to the list: the crackdown by officials on arguing and on-court antics. Bibby said he will likely protest his ejection that took place with 2:52 left in the fourth quarter of the Kings' loss, an infraction that will, unless overturned, cost him $3,000.

But more than disagreeing with the decision of official Derrick Stafford, he said he's upset with what he perceived as a double standard used in the application of the new rules.

"They've got people on the other team cursing at the same guy who kicked me out, and he's telling him, 'Calm down, just calm down.' " Bibby said. "And I say one word to him and he's going to kick me out the game?"

Asked which Timberwolves player he was referring to, he said, "Who do you think?"

The implied player was T-wolves forward Kevin Garnett, a renowned talker on the floor, not to mention a one-time MVP who was playing at home.

"There's no way I should have been kicked out the game," he said. "I didn't curse at him. I just probably said five words to him. Nothing bad. It was sarcastic.

"If you're going to start doing it to everybody, then do it to everybody. Don't pick the people you're going to do it to."

Bibby wasn't the only one frustrated with Garnett. In the third quarter, Garnett got tangled with Kings center Maurice Taylor, which led to Taylor's ejection. Taylor said he may inquire about protesting his ejection as well.

"He had called me every (curse word) in the book, so I was just looking at the ref with my hands up ... looking dead at the ref, and he kicked me out," said Taylor, who played just seven minutes. "(Garnett) always talks like that, but you can only take so much."

Artest-Wallace reunion -- Tonight is the first time Ron Artest and Ben Wallace will meet since the infamous brawl of Nov. 19, 2004, that took place in Detroit. Both players have changed teams since being forever linked by the ugliest incident in U.S. sports history.

When Artest -- who was suspended for the final 73 games of that season for entering the stands and fighting with fans -- was traded from Indiana to the Kings last season, the Jan. 25 deal came just 10 days before his Pacers were to face Wallace's Pistons. Wallace signed with Chicago in the offseason for four years and $52 million.

While Artest was unavailable for comment Thursday, Wallace spoke to the Daily Herald in Arlington Heights, Ill., about the rematch during training camp.

"I'm going out there to play basketball," Wallace said. "As long as we go out and play basketball, do what we're supposed to do and stay away from the foolishness, then it ain't nothing."

Long day trip -- According to Kings officials, coach Eric Musselman flew to New York to meet with members of the NBA security team regarding his Oct. 21 arrest on suspicion of drunken driving.

Musselman, who would not comment on the trip, flew to the league offices Thursday morning and was back in Chicago by the afternoon. His assistants ran an optional team practice. A decision from the league regarding a possible penalty is not expected until the case is resolved. Musselman is scheduled to appear in court on Nov. 20.

About the writer: The Bee's Sam Amick can be reached at samick@sacbee.com.
 
#2
Stop. Whining.

A leader would take responsibility for costing the Kings the game, but I guess Bibby is too much of a primadonna to face up to the fact that he screwed up.
 

piksi

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#3
Stop. Whining.

A leader would take responsibility for costing the Kings the game, but I guess Bibby is too much of a primadonna to face up to the fact that he screwed up.

and the truth is probably somwhere in the middle between Your comment and the article
 
#4
I am torn on Mike protesting his ejection. First of all, I think that they need to crack down on the complaining. It gets old and i do not want us to have a "whiney baby attitude."

That being said, I have to agree with the double standard he was talking about. I have watched all the games on ESPN and TNT this week and have seen players do and say MUCH worse and nothing happened. I have seen players do less and get a T. There needs to be a more clearly defined guideline.

Basketball is emotional and I do not think that showing some emotion is bad. BUT. . . it has gotten out of control.
 
#5
A leader would take responsibility for costing the Kings the game, but I guess Bibby is too much of a primadonna to face up to the fact that he screwed up.
What? He did screw up. He does have a case against the refs. But, he didn't cost the Kings the game. I'm sick of people saying that. How can you rely on one player? If you can't win a game without what most people think is our second best player then you're not going to win many games. The other players had a chance to win the game and they didn't. Blame them. It's only game one.
You stop whining. And I don't mean that personally, I mean it in general to all fans who are giving out constantly about this team. :confused:
 
#6
I said it earlier - the biggest issue is going to be the "superstar treatment".

Personally, it's frustrating to see an official kick a player like Bibby out of the game for something so small. He wasn't freaking out or cursing vehemently from what I could tell.

It feels like the ref helped decide the game at a crucial moment.

I completely agree with Mo Taylor. He did nothing that I saw. Nothing.

I like the rule, but it has to be equally enforced across the league and from a single official. I can understand every official will tolerate things to their own level, but that level needs to be the same for every player with said official. If that makes sense.
 

VF21

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#7
Stop. Whining.

A leader would take responsibility for costing the Kings the game, but I guess Bibby is too much of a primadonna to face up to the fact that he screwed up.
Mike Bibby a prima dona? Did you see the game?

And don't put the blame for the loss at Bibby's feet. It was a TEAM effort to blow that game.
 
#8
Mike Bibby a prima dona? Did you see the game?

And don't put the blame for the loss at Bibby's feet. It was a TEAM effort to blow that game.
I absolutely saw the game -- it was great that Mike played with heart, kudos for playing hurt, etc. etc. Yes, it was a team effort to blow the game, but the game was very much in reach when Bibby essentially let it go. He blew it. Plain and simple. He should own up to it instead of making excuses.

The officials have pretty much been consistent, despite the griping by players and TNT's studio crew. You talk to the officials, even heatedly (Kevin Garnett, Sam Cassell), no technical. You wave your arms or make a sarcastic gesture (Bibby, Sheed, Carmelo) it's a technical. Officials are tired of people jumping around like maniacs after every foul call, and I agree with them.
 

VF21

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#9
People also need to look again at the name of the official involved. Derrick Stafford has NEVER given the Kings any kind of break...ever.

Not that it's an excuse, but some referees, just like all humans, have certain biases. Violet Palmer HATED Chris Webber while he was a King. In fact, that should probably say HATED. It's almost funny to see the difference now. She's even been spotted - brace yourself - trying to joke with Webber during the occasional 76er game.

We all know - or should - how Joe Crawford is. I think Derrick Stafford was trying to prove he's just as tough as Crawford, who was standing on the other side of the court watching. Either that, or Stafford wanted to make sure he got to eject someone since Crawford pulled the plug on Taylor earlier. And, BTW, the earlier ejection might actually figure into Bibby being kicked out.

The officials are going to make some mistakes as they and the players get used to this new stricter policy on "clock running" disputes. I'm sure they'll get it straightened out. If Bibby thinks his second T was wrong, I think he should protest it. Both for the good of the league in general, and to help clarify what the position on things like that is going to be.
 

VF21

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#10
I said it earlier - the biggest issue is going to be the "superstar treatment".

Personally, it's frustrating to see an official kick a player like Bibby out of the game for something so small. He wasn't freaking out or cursing vehemently from what I could tell.

It feels like the ref helped decide the game at a crucial moment.

I completely agree with Mo Taylor. He did nothing that I saw. Nothing.

I like the rule, but it has to be equally enforced across the league and from a single official. I can understand every official will tolerate things to their own level, but that level needs to be the same for every player with said official. If that makes sense.
Mo Taylor deserved the ejection, IMHO. Putting forearms up in the vicinity of another player's head/throat is not cool. After the double-t, Taylor should have been very careful. He's not a rookie. Instead, he immediately got into again with Garnett at the other end of the court.

Let's see ... Kevin Garnett or Mo Taylor? Who does everyone on the planet NOT named Mo know the officials are going to give the benefit of the doubt to?

;)
 
#12
Mo Taylor deserved the ejection, IMHO. Putting forearms up in the vicinity of another player's head/throat is not cool.
I completely agree, but he didn't.

If you watch the replay, KG intentionally put his throat on Mo's arm and turned to the ref and complained. Mo never moved his elbow from the position as soon as the whistle blew.

KG is a goon, believe it or not. There have been a couple reports of him decking players in practice when they beat him and such. I love the guys passion ... but the league squashes that stuff because he's their poster boy.
 

VF21

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#14
I completely agree, but he didn't.

If you watch the replay, KG intentionally put his throat on Mo's arm and turned to the ref and complained. Mo never moved his elbow from the position as soon as the whistle blew.

KG is a goon, believe it or not. There have been a couple reports of him decking players in practice when they beat him and such. I love the guys passion ... but the league squashes that stuff because he's their poster boy.
I was watching the game pretty closely since I was typing the PBP. What I saw was Mo's forearm at KG's throat. I didn't see how the two came to touch. If this was a case similiar to Mike attacking Kobe's elbow with his face, then Mo does have a right to protest. I honestly didn't see that.

And not everything about KG has been quashed. I remember an incident about him punching a rookie during practice...

The point I was making was that I didn't see anything to clearly indicate the official's call was wrong.
 
#15
KG is not a goon...he is what is good with the NBA... and I agree with VF's posts here.

I think Brad will be the target for many this year vs Bibbs. That 4th QTR was just odd, not sure what to make of it.
 

gunks

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#18
Go Bibby!!!!

NBA officiating is just getting worse and worse. And this new rule is rediculous.

I love how he calls the official out on not booting KG for the same thing too. It is a double standard.
 
#19
The Taylor ejection was bunk. If you watch the video you'll see that Taylor's arm was hooked onto KG's and KG pushed it up towards his neck and hailed the ref.
 
#20
Am all for it. I dont think him or Taylor did any that should have caused them to get kicked out of them game. KG was supposly cussing at the ref but he gets off because he is "The Big Ticket". If there going to call stuff like they did with Bibby and Taylor, the superstars of the league should get called also. Fight On Bibby!!!
 
#22
and the truth is probably somwhere in the middle between Your comment and the article
The truth is, Bibby got evicted because of his actions. Instead of learning from it, he's taking it to the next level, and letting it affect his attitude. Maybe it's time to grow up and stop whinning?
 
#23
What? He did screw up. He does have a case against the refs. But, he didn't cost the Kings the game. I'm sick of people saying that. How can you rely on one player? If you can't win a game without what most people think is our second best player then you're not going to win many games. The other players had a chance to win the game and they didn't. Blame them. It's only game one.
You stop whining. And I don't mean that personally, I mean it in general to all fans who are giving out constantly about this team. :confused:
Not many teams can win with their #2 option's head not in the game. Ask the Lakers, they know so much when Odom is out somewhere when the Lakers are in the heat of battle. Bibby is the glue to this team, which make it so vital for him to have a strong mental fortitude. He's the leader and where the leader goes, the flock follow.
 
#24
I didn't see anything that would warrant bibby getting a tech, and especially not a 2nd technical. Because mike's body language on the court wasn't really bad, i figured he had cussed out the official or something like that, but now i find out that he didn't. He said he said something sarcastic. that was it! ridiculous!

He also got the 2nd tech for swinging his arms as if to say "that's BS" (to the 1st tech.) i mean, WTH? he didn't even say anything or wasn't "threatening" the official or anything like that. JEEEEEZ. he didn't agree with the call, if you decide to give him a T, 1 is enough!

And, how does KG get a pass for cussing at the refs the whole game while Bibby gets ejected for a sarcastic comment and flinging his arms? oh yeah, i forgot, his name is KG.:rolleyes: if i was mike, i'd be frustrated as well.

i don't think mike would be arguing about getting ejected if he felt that his actions were deserving of being kicked out-- like if he was cussing, going crazy or anything like that...
 
#25
This new rule is great, but at the same time, as has probably been noted everywhere, the initial execution has been horrendous. Barkley made a great point, suggesting that players be given at least a tiny bit of leeway immediately after the play to express SOME kind of emotion. It's inhuman to expect someone who's been putting their heart into something and pumping with adrenaline to simply bottle up their emotions when something goes wrong. Let them have their first reaction (as long as it's self-contained and simply to express emotion by themselves), and do what you need to do if they bring their frustrations toward you. At least do this for a while into the season (a month?) so that players can adapt to the rule without such a high risk of costing their teams the entire game. A grace period, as Barkley said.

Wow, I don't know if I've ever agreed with Barkley so fully. That's how screwed up the refs have been this season.
 
#26
theres been a average of 3.6 techs a day
1.2 ejections a day

3 days

the officials arn't letting any emotion out on the court wat so ever. you cant throw your hands up, or anything

they were having a very good argument on TNT and they all had a point

every player has a reaction to a bad call...

etc: you spill water on your self, you are going to jump up or something
not act like how officials want you to act... "Oh, i spilt water...i should clean it up now."

you have a reaction, and in the NBA they dont want you to have a reaction now.. so there giving out technicals..


it was on tnt i kinda liked what they were talkina bout and 100% agree
 
#28
I saw the game too.... It's true that Mo didn't move his forearm and KG was the one who got close and subsequently complained. However, I think Mo should have lowered his forearm so as not to be as high as KG's neck. You should never put your forearm on a person's head/neck if you don't want to get a T.

Regarding Mike, I agree that there's probably a double standard. I think it is almost a foregone conclusion that it would be easier to eject a scrub than a franchise player. The rule will be okay so as long as they enforce it EQUALLY. Hell, if they want to prove they're (the REFS) the boss, then show the league that superstars will get the boot too for the same behavior. Now whether or not Bibby deserved the T is another point but I agree, he should stop whining. The Kings in general whine quite a bit (though ALL players whine anyway). It would be better if the Kings stopped whining....maybe the refs would treat us better.

I don't know whether it cost us the game....but I sure know one thing that did....those freakin' TOs in the 4th.

my 2 cents.
 

HndsmCelt

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#29
Crying aobut being naild by the crybaby rule... this is levels of ironly one normally finds in a short story by O' Henry! Bibby needs to wise up to the reality that this "next level" stunt of his is not going to help his team in any way and will not help him either. It will on the other hand give Stafford even MORE reason to be even MORE tight in the 20-40 regular season Kings games he is likely to officiate... thanks a bunch Mike.
 
#30
"He had called me every (curse word) in the book, so I was just looking at the ref with my hands up ... looking dead at the ref, and he kicked me out," said Taylor, who played just seven minutes. "(Garnett) always talks like that, but you can only take so much."
Am I the only one who found this comment so soft?! FFS, if you are not able to handle verbal abuse from your opponent then I suggest you buy yourself a nice skirt and start playing netball.

That was just a mind boggling quote :rolleyes:

Mo, if you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.