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http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/123201.html

Maloofs: No Kings move to Vegas
'We want to get it done in Sacramento,' co-owners say, shooting down speculation.
By Mary Lynne Vellinga - Bee Staff Writer
Last Updated 12:36 am PST Wednesday, February 14, 2007


Despite NBA Commissioner David Stern's comments that the league might allow a basketball team to locate in Las Vegas, the Maloofs said Tuesday it won't be the Kings.

Joe and Gavin Maloof said they are committed to staying in Sacramento, despite the ongoing difficulty of coming up with a viable plan for a new arena.

Joe Maloof said he thinks Las Vegas would be a good fit for an expansion team rather than an existing team.

"We have a great team going in Sacramento," he said.

"We've been here eight years. We've built a lot of friendships, and we want to get it done in Sacramento."

"We don't want to leave, and we've never thought about Vegas," echoed his brother Gavin.

Speculation about a Kings move to Las Vegas is running high as the Maloof family prepares to host much of the NBA All-Star Game extravaganza at its Palms casino in Las Vegas. Stern's comments came in an interview leading up to the event.

He told Newsday on Monday that he still objects to the idea of allowing a team to locate in Las Vegas while the gambling industry accepts bets on NBA games.

But for the first time, he said he wouldn't stand in the way if a majority of NBA owners decided they want to put a team there.

After Sacramento County voters in November crushed a proposal to raise sales taxes for a new arena, Stern swept into Sacramento and said he would come up with his own plan.

Since then, the NBA has gone quiet about Sacramento as Stern's representative, sports consultant John Moag, tries to figure out how to raise the $500 million or so needed to replace Arco.

Sacramento officials said Stern's revelation doesn't worry them.

"It certainly opens up another scenario, especially since the Maloofs' base of operations is Las Vegas," said Councilman Rob Fong, who worked on the previous arena plan.

"But I take Stern and the NBA at their word that they value Sacramento as a market. We certainly have our team. If, at some point, the NBA decides Las Vegas needs a team, they could put an expansion team there."

Supervisor Roger Dickinson, also a leader in the failed arena effort last fall, said Sacramento is a great NBA market. It just hasn't figured out a way to build a new arena. The possibility that Las Vegas might "be in play" doesn't affect that situation, he said.

John Dangberg, assistant Sacramento city manager, said he is in regular contact with Moag, and the sports consultant is working on ideas to pay for an arena and keep the Kings here.

"He's just working on his fact finding. What we're focused on now is just assisting," he said.

Joe Maloof said Tuesday he is a strong advocate of an NBA expansion franchise for Las Vegas.

That way, he said, owners of the 30 existing teams could divvy the franchise fee paid by the prospective owner, a sum he estimated at $500 million.

"It's a huge market. I think it's an international market. I think probably most of the owners would want to be there," he said.

Gavin Maloof said the Kings brand in Sacramento is valuable and can't easily be moved.

"When you have 340 or so sellouts, that took us a lot of hard work, time and effort."

Despite all the hype about Las Vegas, it can't offer an NBA owner any better digs than Arco. The Thomas & Mack Center -- which hosts Sunday's All-Star Game -- is considered dated and inadequate.

A task force has determined it should be replaced, but didn't provide a location or financing plan.

Las Vegas Mayor Oscar Goodman, who has dubbed himself the "happiest mayor in the universe," said Tuesday he has no doubt he'll come up with a financing plan, which could involve a sales tax increase.

He'd like the new arena built on land across from City Hall.

"I'm running for my third four-year term, and I'm term-limited," he said. "It better be within four years, or you'll have one very unhappy Oscar."

Not all Las Vegas-area politicians share his unbridled enthusiasm. Clark County Commission Chairman Rory Reid said he doesn't favor using public funds for a new facility.

He pointed out that Clark County -- not the city of Las Vegas -- has jurisdiction over the fabled Las Vegas Strip, which is outside city limits.

"We've been the fastest growing community in the country for 17 years in a row, and because of that growth we have challenges that make building an arena less of a priority," Reid said.

"We have a health care delivery system that's stressed."

Until now, the idea that casinos would have to get rid of their NBA betting lines had been an insurmountable hurdle. At most casinos, NBA betting ranks third behind the National Football League and Major League Baseball.

According to Nevada gaming records, the casinos took in nearly $48 million in basketball bets last year, a nearly 27 percent increase over 2005.

By comparison, more than $100 million was wagered on the Super Bowl.

An acceptable compromise may be to restrict betting on games played by a Nevada franchise.

Casinos had similar wagering restrictions on the University of Nevada, Reno, and UNLV basketball and football, but those were lifted in 2001 by Nevada's Gaming Control Board.

Joe Maloof predicted the NBA will eventually find middle ground.

"Sooner or later, there has to be a compromise, because I don't think the casinos as a whole would ever remove NBA betting from their books," he said.

About the writer: The Bee's Mary Lynne Vellinga can be reached at (916) 321-1094 or mlvellinga@sacbee.com.

http://www.sacbee.com/100/story/123323.html
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Marcos Bretón: Don't take the bait - Vegas is NBA mirage
By Marcos Bretón - Bee Sports Columnist
Last Updated 12:26 am PST Wednesday, February 14, 2007


NBA Commissioner David Stern is like the guy in the movie "Jaws" who tosses blood and severed fish heads into the ocean, sparking a feeding frenzy of sharks.

The only difference being: The guy in "Jaws" was shocked and frightened when the sharks took the blood. Stern banks on it.

He has done it again, this time causing a media frenzy by seemingly changing his position and opening the door for the possibility of an NBA team in Las Vegas days before the league holds its All-Star event in Sin City.

The NBA All-Star Weekend is an annual festival of hype for Stern to trump the state of the league. Why not start the fun with a superficial image of a sexy hot spot that is aching for an NBA team?

Why not shake up -- or subtly frighten -- cities such as Sacramento, where frustrated NBA owners want a new arena and have had no luck extorting one?

Why not dangle a Las Vegas franchise that could be impossible or impractical to realize because -- beyond the hype -- Vegas isn't half the market Sacramento is?

Probably because it's a lot more palatable to discuss hypotheticals when reality in the NBA is the opposite of hot and sexy.

Reality is half-empty arenas in Memphis and Charlotte; of league blunders such as moving to New Orleans; of disasters such as the bloated New York Knicks.

Reality is cities such as Seattle telling Stern to take a hike when he made threats of moving the Seattle SuperSonics unless taxpayers built a new Seattle arena.

Reality means Carmelo Anthony, the NBA's leading scorer, was suspended for weeks for his role in a brawl and was only a last-minute addition to the All-Star Game.

Reality is that the judges for the All-Star dunk contest -- Michael Jordan, Dominique Wilkins, Vince Carter, Kobe Bryant and Julius Erving -- are far more compelling than the no-names competing.

Reality is that on many nights, Charles Barkley and Kenny Smith talking about games on TNT is more entertaining than the actual games.

Is it any wonder Stern would pour this particular bucket of bloody fish into the water?

It's a great diversion. It gets national play and -- whether it's intentional or not -- it cuts to the marrow in critical NBA markets such as Sacramento.

Let's face it, Las Vegas has been the concealed weapon pointed at Sacramento as local arena efforts failed. "Las Vegas" have been the words terrified Kings fans have whispered or screamed, depending on their fragile states of mind.

After all, Kings owners Joe and Gavin Maloof are Vegas casino titans.

Consequently, many locals have never believed the Maloofs when they stated -- as they do again in today's Bee -- that they want to remain in Sacramento.

The palpable fear of Sacramento's team becoming the Las Vegas Kings has been like a gift that keeps on giving for the Maloofs: They could appear like good guys in public, while in private, the threat of them leaving always hovered over the negotiating table with Sacramento officials.

The Maloofs didn't have to say they would move to Las Vegas because plenty of other people said it for them.

In today's Bee, Joe Maloof says his family has an interest in helping Las Vegas get an expansion team.

Expansion team? This league has too many teams already, the talent pool is already too diluted, there are already too many empty seats in other NBA arenas.

Where is the reality in such an idea when the NBA is already bloated and when there is no suitable arena in Las Vegas and no plan for how to finance one?

Besides that, Las Vegas is actually a smaller media market than Sacramento when one looks beyond the glitz of the Vegas Strip.

Oh, and there is another thorny little issue:

Does Stern, who has big concerns about NBA players carrying guns to nightclubs, really want to move an NBA team to the mecca of nighttime mischief?

In an interview with Newsday for a story that sparked the NBA-in-Vegas story line, Stern conceded the city is "nowhere near" getting an NBA franchise.

That little detail got lost in all the noise, but this shouldn't:

If the NBA doesn't work in Sacramento with its passionate support of the Kings despite mediocrity on the court, then it doesn't work.

Don't buy the hype.

About the writer: Reach Marcos Bretón at (916) 321-1096 or mbreton@ sacbee.com.
 
Interesting stuff - I think Kings fans can at least take some solace in the fact that plenty of other teams have far bigger problems than just an arena deal and are more likely to be moved. One of the other Vegas articles today mentioned the Grizzlies as does MB's. That seems like a far more likely scenario given the team is actually up for sale right now, but I think Vegas still has a few years to go before they are ready, and the obvious kinks to work out with an arena and whatever betting concessions need to be made.

That shouldn't be much of a problem if the numbers in the first article are accurate and I am understanding them correctly. $48 million in total dollars bet. If the lines are set correctly they will get 50-50 betting on either side leaving them to take in 10% "juice" which is 4.8 million annually - less than a big strip casino pulls in on the average weekend. If they only had to give up betting on the local team that would translate into around 300k annually, spread out between every casino in Nevada. Somehow that doesn't sound like a huge hurdle but maybe I am calculating incorrectly?
 
Marcos gets one key fact wrong, and that blows the entire article. The statement:

Why not dangle a Las Vegas franchise that could be impossible or impractical to realize because -- beyond the hype -- Vegas isn't half the market Sacramento is?

This statement is incorrect because of one, single, key issue: Corporate presence.

I've tried all along here to keep things from getting personal, and have had limited success. And it's not personal to point out that this is still a government town. When your largest privately-held company headquartered here is a newspaper publisher, that's when you know you have little corporate presence.

But really, one other point: LV has, on average, 600,000 people per night visiting their town. All that has to happen is for 2% of them to say, "Hey, I know, let's go to a Kings game!", and tickets will be extremely scarce.

NBA in Vegas would be a license to print money.

I just wonder what the NBA has proposed that has them convinced they can turn an 80-20 defeat into a 2/3 majority vote. I just cannot conceive of what that would be.
 
Marcos gets one key fact wrong, and that blows the entire article. The statement:



This statement is incorrect because of one, single, key issue: Corporate presence.

I've tried all along here to keep things from getting personal, and have had limited success. And it's not personal to point out that this is still a government town. When your largest privately-held company headquartered here is a newspaper publisher, that's when you know you have little corporate presence.

But really, one other point: LV has, on average, 600,000 people per night visiting their town. All that has to happen is for 2% of them to say, "Hey, I know, let's go to a Kings game!", and tickets will be extremely scarce.

NBA in Vegas would be a license to print money.

I just wonder what the NBA has proposed that has them convinced they can turn an 80-20 defeat into a 2/3 majority vote. I just cannot conceive of what that would be.

Please...

People don't go to Vegas to see an NBA game unless they are getting served free drinks in the sports book. Also, if the Maloofs moved the team to Vegas and pretty much everything associated with the eventual arena/team would be linked to the Palms do you think other Casinos would want to send their high rollers to basically an extension of the Palms??? Likely not.
 
One other point. What "corporate presence" other than Casino's does Vegas have?? Having been there quite frequently it's pretty much a dump away from the strip(and not too far from the strip).
 
The casinos are designed to separate their guests from their money. The NBA is a novelty and distraction away from that. They build small empires with dining and shows to keep the guests right where they are. That's why you really only see the Maloofs and Oscar Goodman singing the praises of an NBA team. Guys like Steve Wynn go on building billion dollar palaces and they already have what they need to get guests in the front door. He doesn't need the NBA.
 
One more article.

http://www.sacbee.com/351/story/123321.html

Desert dream or a fruitless pursuit?
The thought of a franchise brings mixed feelings
By Debbie Arrington - Bee Staff Writer
Last Updated 12:22 am PST Wednesday, February 14, 2007


Micah Roberts understands fan loyalty.

As a native Sacramentan, he has always admired the Kings' relationship with his hometown. Since he works in the gambling business, he understands how important that can be for any team.

"They're extremely loyal fans," said Roberts, the sports and race book director for Station Casinos' 10 properties. "They love their team. It gives them a definite edge. That's hometown love and support."

Now a longtime Las Vegas resident, Roberts wonders if an NBA team -- or any pro sports franchise -- could have such a close bond with the desert gambling mecca.

"It goes back to city pride," he explained. "It takes generations growing up in the same place to develop.

"That's where the difficulty comes in: To get people to support a team," Roberts added. "You need those roots, that pride. Ask people here where they come from, they don't say Las Vegas -- even if they've lived here 10, 20 years. We're all from somewhere else."

The self-acclaimed "entertainment capital of the world," Las Vegas hosts Sunday's NBA All-Star Game, one more big event in a city known for spectacles.

"It's a big event, but we have eight or nine at that level every year," said radio host R.J. Bell, another Las Vegas transplant. "It's not like some cities where it would be the biggest event around."

Most Las Vegas residents and visitors alike will be watching the NBA All-Star Game like folks in Sacramento: On TV. No tickets were released to the public. What seats are available at Thomas & Mack Center are fetching $1,200 and up apiece online.

"There's a buzz in town, but not because people are going to the game," Roberts said. "This is just a starting point to something else down the road.

"To get that type of event into this city is fantastic," he added. "It's a huge positive. It puts (Las Vegas) on track to where we may get a franchise and show that we can support a pro sports team. We're on our way."

After much lobbying by Las Vegas Mayor Oscar Goodman, NBA Commissioner David Stern seems open to discussions. The NHL has been listening, too.

But Las Vegas is a gambling city with a small-town image problem.

"It's an identity issue," Bell said. "It's hard to have a big-city identity without pro sports. But there's that taboo factor. Betting will always be an issue."

Legal gambling helps draw about 37 million visitors a year to Las Vegas, one of the fastest growing cities in America. It's the nation's largest metropolitan area without a major-league franchise.

"Las Vegas is a metropolis of around two million people," said William Eadington, director of the Institute for the Study of Gambling and Commercial Gaming at the University of Nevada. "How long can Las Vegas be treated as a second-class citizen in sports?"

Las Vegas does have big-league motorsports as the host of a NASCAR Nextel Cup race and NHRA Nationals. Two-time Cup champion Tony Stewart, in Las Vegas last week for testing, thinks the All-Star Game is a good fit.

"It's a perfect place to host any kind of event," Stewart said. "If you can't have fun out here, you're a pretty dull person."

For now, Las Vegas basketball fans must be content with catching glimpses of visiting All-Stars.

Said Bell: "If somebody gives me a ticket, I'll go to the game, for sure."

About the writer: The Bee's Debbie Arrington can be reached at (916) 326-5514 or darrington@sacbee.com.
 
Actually, I don't think Stern said anything new at all. He said he still doesn't approve of a franchise in Vegas, but it is up to the owners.

Bottom line is that Stern is an employee of the owners. It has always been and is still up to the owners whether Vegas gets a franchise. Obviously, the owners are happy with Stern and is opinion carries a lot of weight.

I think it was just a statement made to sound like its more of a possibility as hype going into the All-Star game. It never has been and never will be Stern's decision, ulitimately. If I hear him make a statement that indicates HE is changing his mind about this, then I'll worry, maybe. At the moment looks like the Grizz might be the target for LV.
 
Sorry, but I do NOT have that feeling. There are three articles about the Vegas stuff already in one thread, so I'm merging this into the existing one...
 
I felt they were gone as soon as Stern got involved. He's only putting himself into it to lighten the brunt of what would be bad PR to have the team up and leave a loyal fan base. By showing up and acting like they're trying, they can turn around and blame someone else when vegas was their perogative the whole time.
 
I really do believe Stern stepping in was a signal that even if the Maloofs have their frustrations with Sacramento that Stern and other NBA owners need Sacramento to maintain the image that basketball can thrive in small and medium sized markets. I'd be more scared if I were a Grizzlies or New Orleans basketball fan right now.
 
I really do believe Stern stepping in was a signal that even if the Maloofs have their frustrations with Sacramento that Stern and other NBA owners need Sacramento to maintain the image that basketball can thrive in small and medium sized markets. I'd be more scared if I were a Grizzlies or New Orleans basketball fan right now.
My feelings exactly. I think Stern stepping in is becasue they don't want to move the Kings.
 
I think the maloofs really really want to move to vegas. Cmon now, not wanting to go there would make them dumb businessmen.

Sacramento............Las Vegas.
Sacramento............Las Vegas.

If the comish ever gives the green light you are going to see owners fight tooth and nail to become the team that is annointed Las Vegas' first pro team. I can't even imagine what kind of arena the most proactive city in the US would build.
 
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