Bee: Adelman gets support, but it's too late (merged)

DocHolliday said:
The Maloofs stated in multiple radio interviews last week that once the coach is hired they step back and the coach will select his crew and they will coach the team without any interferance from them as it has always been. The coach would report to Geoff Petrie on a regular basis per usual.

The Maloofs have said a lot of things in radio interviews.

I'm sure the Maloofs will be making this point crystal clear in all interviews with potential head coaches.

Every owner has a right to know what's going on with their team, but every little move will not be under a magnifying glass.

Sorry, but I'm gonna wait and see how that plays out. I think, at the beginning, the Maloofs will be watching with a magnifying glass. It's how they respond to what they see that will be important.

The Maloofs leave that to us and the media.

I wasn't the one on the sidelines screaming at Jason Hart to do something totally different from what his COACH had just told him. Sorry but you're really making the Maloofs sound like saints in all this and they have been just as guilty on their part as they have accused Adelman of being on his part.
 
VF21 said:
The Maloofs have said a lot of things in radio interviews.



Sorry, but I'm gonna wait and see how that plays out. I think, at the beginning, the Maloofs will be watching with a magnifying glass. It's how they respond to what they see that will be important.



I wasn't the one on the sidelines screaming at Jason Hart to do something totally different from what his COACH had just told him. Sorry but you're really making the Maloofs sound like saints in all this and they have been just as guilty on their part as they have accused Adelman of being on his part.

How many times were you sitting at home screaming at a player, or Adelman to do the opposite of what he was doing?? I know I didn't agree with many things, many times. They were fans first, owners second. They want to win, and everything they have said or done is because they want to win as bad as the fans want the team to win. I'm sure they were yelling at Bibby wildly to cover Barry at the end of game 2. I know I was.
 
Doc - I respect your takes. I don't want to continue to belabor this because, bottom line, we're both on the same side. We love this team and want the best for them.

Adelman made mistakes, the players made mistakes, the Maloofs made mistakes. The combination of the mistakes eventually led to the departure of Rick Adelman.

You know what I would really, really, really like? A year like 2002-2003. Do you remember how exciting that was? We were on the rides of our lives. And I remember very little controversy. I would sure like to see that again. I'd love to be able to just root for our team until my voice is gone and not have this other stuff interfering...

What's done is done. I didn't like the way it was done and I had my soap box moment on that issue.

Now, I just want things to move forward. I want hope for the future with no more regrets about the past.

GO KINGS!!!!!

:D
 
VF21 said:
Doc - I respect your takes. I don't want to continue to belabor this because, bottom line, we're both on the same side. We love this team and want the best for them.

Adelman made mistakes, the players made mistakes, the Maloofs made mistakes. The combination of the mistakes eventually led to the departure of Rick Adelman.

You know what I would really, really, really like? A year like 2002-2003. Do you remember how exciting that was? We were on the rides of our lives. And I remember very little controversy. I would sure like to see that again. I'd love to be able to just root for our team until my voice is gone and not have this other stuff interfering...

What's done is done. I didn't like the way it was done and I had my soap box moment on that issue.

Now, I just want things to move forward. I want hope for the future with no more regrets about the past.

GO KINGS!!!!!

:D

I agree. I just think the Maloofs are taking way to much heat from the press and some people on this board. Some people are being VERY negative about the whole thing. They want someone to blame and Webber, Peja and Adelman are no longer here. So, now it's on to the Maloofs.

I've just put the other side of the coin out there. I never said the Maloofs are perfect, but they aren't as bad as everyone is making them out to be, because of the deal with Adelman.

Sometimes change is good. Doesn't mean the next coach will be better than the last, just different. Sometimes different is good, sometimes different is needed.

Right now the future is wide open, and it will be interesting to see how it all pans out in the next couple seasons. It's an exciting time to be a Kings fan right now, just in a *different* way.
 
DocHolliday said:
How many times were you sitting at home screaming at a player, or Adelman to do the opposite of what he was doing?? I know I didn't agree with many things, many times. They were fans first, owners second. They want to win, and everything they have said or done is because they want to win as bad as the fans want the team to win. I'm sure they were yelling at Bibby wildly to cover Barry at the end of game 2. I know I was.

The difference is, the players know you (the general "you", as in fans) yell and scream but have no direct "power". Having the owner of the team do the same thing is a problem, because you (the player on the floor) have 2 different "bosses" trying to play "coach" with you caught in the middle....
 
VF21 said:
You know what I would really, really, really like? A year like 2002-2003. Do you remember how exciting that was? We were on the rides of our lives. And I remember very little controversy.


I'd prefer a 2001-2002 with a more favorable ending ;)
 
Warhawk said:
The difference is, the players know you (the general "you", as in fans) yell and scream but have no direct "power". Having the owner of the team do the same thing is a problem, because you (the player on the floor) have 2 different "bosses" trying to play "coach" with you caught in the middle....

There's no being caught in the middle. You as a player do as the Coach says period. If your owners are yelling like a fan, you just go on do what you were told. If they were to personally question you about it, you tell them that is what the coach told me to do, so I did it, then they could go have a conversation with him.

But it didn't go that far.
 
DocHolliday said:
There's no being caught in the middle. You as a player do as the Coach says period. If your owners are yelling like a fan, you just go on do what you were told. If they were to personally question you about it, you tell them that is what the coach told me to do, so I did it, then they could go have a conversation with him.

But it didn't go that far.

Easy to say but hard to do, I would think. Coach has control over PT, but owners and GM can trade you, etc. Don't be fooled into thinking the Maloofs were just "fans" - they are owners and as such should not be yelling specific instructions to players that disregard the coach's instructions.

You do not know how far it was carried, and neither do I, but we can probably assume (and agree) it didn't go anywhere. Still doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. There's a difference between cheering on the team and players and screaming out specific instructions to a player on the floor when you are an owner of the team.

It's not as cut and dry as you paint it to be....
 
Warhawk said:
Easy to say but hard to do, I would think. Coach has control over PT, but owners and GM can trade you, etc. Don't be fooled into thinking the Maloofs were just "fans" - they are owners and as such should not be yelling specific instructions to players that disregard the coach's instructions.

You do not know how far it was carried, and neither do I, but we can probably assume (and agree) it didn't go anywhere. Still doesn't mean it was the right thing to do. There's a difference between cheering on the team and players and screaming out specific instructions to a player on the floor when you are an owner of the team.

It's not as cut and dry as you paint it to be....

We don't know how far it went, just as we don't know what exactly the Maloofs were saying. Sure they were screaming and flailing about. The same way that have a countless times before. The media is the one saying what specific things happened. All we know is we go back and look at the game you can see the Maloofs yelling....something. The media dramatizes things, because it's good for business. That's why I take the whole thing with a grain of salt.
 
Okay, I tried to bow out.

JASON HART made it very clear the Maloofs were yelling directly at him. That's HIM speaking, as quoted by the media. And, considering how good Marty MacNeal's seat is, I have a feeling he wouldn't have used that quote unless he knew it to be true.

You're really painting this as if the media has overblown everything when all they're doing is reporting what's going on.

You think too much heat is going to the Maloofs? Look at the poll on this board. 67% of people disagree.

You expect me to bend in my harsh judgment of the Maloofs? Then how about you also bend a little and admit they overstepped?
 
VF21 said:
Okay, I tried to bow out.

JASON HART made it very clear the Maloofs were yelling directly at him. That's HIM speaking, as quoted by the media. And, considering how good Marty MacNeal's seat is, I have a feeling he wouldn't have used that quote unless he knew it to be true.

You're really painting this as if the media has overblown everything when all they're doing is reporting what's going on.

You think too much heat is going to the Maloofs? Look at the poll on this board. 67% of people disagree.

You expect me to bend in my harsh judgment of the Maloofs? Then how about you also bend a little and admit they overstepped?

If they were yelling stuff directly at him in the sense of, "JASON, **** WHAT ADELMAN SAID. HE"S A MORON!!! DO THIS!!!". Then yes they overstepped their boundaries. Anything short of that, and I'm not too sure they did.
 
DocHolliday said:
If they were yelling stuff directly at him in the sense of, "JASON, **** WHAT ADELMAN SAID. HE"S A MORON!!! DO THIS!!!". Then yes they overstepped their boundaries. Anything short of that, and I'm not too sure they did.

Yet Kings guard Jason Hart acknowledged a few days ago that Joe Maloof, in more than one game, had screamed at him to do something different from Adelman's instructions. Hart, who admittedly struggled this season and Thursday activated the $1.68 million option on the second and final year of his contract, was having enough problems without having to hear that.

(above from the original post)


To me it sounds very clear that Jason thought that Joe was SPECIFICALLY and IN MORE THAN ONE GAME, screaming at him to do something other than Adelman's instructions.

By the words "Screaming at him" and "something other than Adelman's directions" I would say they were specifically telling him what to do. Doubt they included the "Adelman's a moron" part, but hey, I guess you don't really need to. When you're trying to override a coach's instructions on the court that is pretty much implied.
 
Rain man said:
LOL- I didn't mind your post so much and was willing to debate you on the merits until I got to this part. Then I had a hard time taking you seriously.

Rick wasn't perfect, but to blame him for Parker going off, and then offering up RONNIE PRICE as the solution is just silly. Ronnie was an UNDRAFTED rookie who barely played his way onto the roster and hadn't played a meaningful minute since the game against Dallas in December. You don't just suddenly throw that guy into the playoffs in a hotly contested playoff series. I like Ronnie a lot, and I think that one day he MIGHT develop into a nice backup PG, but he is no where near ready for significant minutes in an NBA game, much less a playoff game against Tony Parker.

I don't know what you wanted Rick to do to slow down Parker. Seems to me that he tried a lot of different things. Bibby played him most of the series with poor results, but Bibby isn't going to slow down Parker. Rick tried to gear the team defense in various games with mixed results. He tried Martin, but Martin wasn't quick enough. He tried Ron from time to time, but he had the same problem. He tried Hart on occasion, and while Hart was decent defensively, it wasn't exactly Bowen on Peja defense.

Plus, Hart got some big minutes in Game 2, but he didn't earn many more because he is just hopeless offensively. Frankly, we couldn't take Bibby out (even a cold Bibby) because even though he was struggling, the team had a hard time scoring most of the series. Miller and KT were invisible. Reef was a turnover machine. Garcia and Hart were cold in their short stretches. Martin was energetic but inconsistent. Artest was wildly inconsistent on offense. Other than Bonzi who was scoring points consistently?

Any argument to play Bibby LESS in the series seems crazy to me- who is gonna score your points- Ronnie Price??? Saying we need more defense is one thing. Suggesting we take out our best offensive player for long stretches and replace him with 1) a slightly above average defensive player with NO ability to hit a shot or 2) an undrafted rookie seems crazy. Sometimes you have to play with the hand you have been dealt- even if it is Bibby guarding Parker...


All I can say is no one thought Popvich was crazy when he inserted Beno Udrih into the game in Game 3 instead of the more experienced and more proven Nick Van Exel. Van Exel coundn't hit anything, and Udrih was giving Parker a much needed rest while running Bibby all over the court and tiring the guy out even more. Udrih hit some big shots when they mattered, and did what he was supposed to do. Now, that should be considered insane as well, putting Udrih in there and taking Parker out...or even not going to Van Exel...but Popvich decided to try something new, and it worked for the moment. If not for Bonzi, Ron and a lucky bounce by Martin, we lose that game because Bibby's shot wasn't there when it mattered.

Good coaches keep the other team off balance. Adelman never did that unless he was forced to! What was Bibby doing in Game 6 to stop Tony Parker? Absolutely nothing. When a guy is going off like that, all you need is someone to stay in front of him. Price could've at least done that. IF you want a scorer out there...try Kevin MArtin...or Francisco Garcia...but seeing Bibby get constantly taken to the basket or beat off the dribble only to have his jumper fall short on the other end wasn't doing the Kings any good...I don't care what you say. My beef with Adelman was that he stuck with guys that weren't producing and never tried anything new. In the playoffs...you do what it takes to win...no matter what. If that means putting a guy out there just to stay in front of Tony Parker and make things difficult for him then that's what you do. We had other scoring options in Shareef on the block, or Artest and Bonzi that wouldn've worked out a lot better than Bibby clanking jumpers.
 
^^Good coaches can only work with what they've been given to use, too. And, for the record, Martin played quite a few minutes. Garcia still was coming back from his ankle injury. His shot wasn't there and he was about half a step slower than usual.

You can bag on Adelman all you want but at least be accurate in your reconstructions of events.
 
Amanjoy said:
All I can say is no one thought Popvich was crazy when he inserted Beno Udrih into the game in Game 3 instead of the more experienced and more proven Nick Van Exel. Van Exel coundn't hit anything, and Udrih was giving Parker a much needed rest while running Bibby all over the court and tiring the guy out even more. Udrih hit some big shots when they mattered, and did what he was supposed to do. Now, that should be considered insane as well, putting Udrih in there and taking Parker out...or even not going to Van Exel...but Popvich decided to try something new, and it worked for the moment. If not for Bonzi, Ron and a lucky bounce by Martin, we lose that game because Bibby's shot wasn't there when it mattered.

Actually, you should have seen the Spurs boards after Pop went back to Beno the next game -- some were actually calling for Pop's head. Everyoen always knows better than the coach, and whenever anything doesn't work out, they always knew better. And as an aside, Beno has MUCH more experience than Ronnie Price. Proven himself as a significant minute backup. Ronnie Price is still basically in college.
 
Do any of you think that Hart is going to be in HOT water for being quoted like that?

Also, has there been any other player reactions or statments about it? It has seemed very quiet. I know it is already TDOS, but usually there are are standard - "I am going to work on _________ for next season." I do not think that I have even read any of that yet.
 
What Hart said could be easily proven. I think he may be privately told that he needs to avoid making controversial statements to the press but I doubt anything more will be done - until he's traded away.

As far as the others go, they're not about to say anything now. Adelman is gone; saying anything at this point wouldn't do him or them OR the team any good whatsoever.
 
Amanjoy said:
All I can say is no one thought Popvich was crazy when he inserted Beno Udrih into the game in Game 3 instead of the more experienced and more proven Nick Van Exel. Van Exel coundn't hit anything, and Udrih was giving Parker a much needed rest while running Bibby all over the court and tiring the guy out even more. Udrih hit some big shots when they mattered, and did what he was supposed to do. Now, that should be considered insane as well, putting Udrih in there and taking Parker out...or even not going to Van Exel...but Popvich decided to try something new, and it worked for the moment. If not for Bonzi, Ron and a lucky bounce by Martin, we lose that game because Bibby's shot wasn't there when it mattered.

Good coaches keep the other team off balance. Adelman never did that unless he was forced to! What was Bibby doing in Game 6 to stop Tony Parker? Absolutely nothing. When a guy is going off like that, all you need is someone to stay in front of him. Price could've at least done that. IF you want a scorer out there...try Kevin MArtin...or Francisco Garcia...but seeing Bibby get constantly taken to the basket or beat off the dribble only to have his jumper fall short on the other end wasn't doing the Kings any good...I don't care what you say. My beef with Adelman was that he stuck with guys that weren't producing and never tried anything new. In the playoffs...you do what it takes to win...no matter what. If that means putting a guy out there just to stay in front of Tony Parker and make things difficult for him then that's what you do. We had other scoring options in Shareef on the block, or Artest and Bonzi that wouldn've worked out a lot better than Bibby clanking jumpers.


Game 6 coach adleman had mike bibby in the Game to Win, Put points on the Board, Run the Team and make things Happen with confidence that he has played in Big games in college and in the pros, knowing he has a Good chance to get the job done. You don't put in Ronny price in a close out game situation, Fresh out of Division 2, into a Pressure cooker close out game,with no playoff experience, just because he may can stay in front of tony parker Better than mike bibby, no matter what, You stick with your experience, The guys that play together regularly,you don't change up Drastically and put in a young unproven rookie in Ronnie price just because he may can stay in front of Tony parker. Even the Great Greg popovich wouldn't played a udrich or price in a close out Game situation like Game 6.


Martin and Garcia are also unproven young players who need the Team playing well to suceed, These guys are right now role players, who feed off of the play of the TEAM collectively, Martin seems to play well when the Team is playing together, specificly on offense, when the kings move the ball and play together, He vibes off of this energy and like mike said after the game, They didn't play together for some Reason he stated. As for garcia he wasn't the same,By just Recently coming off of the ankle sprain..


The kings had a 5 point lead in this game, When ron got injured the momentum changed and the Team got emotionally let down, alot of the let down, you can attribute to the Team being new with each other and not Battle Tested as a unit together.As a coach When a Team is closing you out, your caoching instinct is to stick with the players with Experience,popvich, Riley, Brown etc wouldn't play the Rookies either in a Do or die situation like Game 6.


The whole Team didn't play well Together and When this happens like the spurs in game 4, This effects everyone from top to Bottom.You win as a Team, you loose as A Team.
 
Lets not rehash past games....

VF I actually wondered the same quetsion that Chelle posted about. I know it does no good for the Kings or the players any good to comment but I find it odd that we haven't really heard any quotes from the players.

Oh and btw say goodbye to Hart, I suspect he won't be in a Kings uni next season. I didn't think he would anyway but his possibly private comments getting out sealed the deal.
 
BigWaxer said:
Lets not rehash past games....

VF I actually wondered the same quetsion that Chelle posted about. I know it does no good for the Kings or the players any good to comment but I find it odd that we haven't really heard any quotes from the players.

Oh and btw say goodbye to Hart, I suspect he won't be in a Kings uni next season. I didn't think he would anyway but his possibly private comments getting out sealed the deal.

The players aren't at the practice facility on any kind of scheduled basis right now. They could be anywhere. I strongly suspect they aren't taking phone calls from the media.

They are still Sacramento Kings. It's like being in a class at school. You may really like your teacher but if something happens and he/she leaves, you're still in the class. You'll have a different teacher but your "job" is still to learn.

All they could say is "I learned a lot" or "I wish him well" or something similar. That's not really breaking news. If they didn't agree with the dismissal, they'd really be shooting themselves in the foot to say so...

Life ... and Kings basketball ... goes on.
 
shaka zulu said:
Game 6 coach adleman had mike bibby in the Game to Win, Put points on the Board, Run the Team and make things Happen with confidence that he has played in Big games in college and in the pros, knowing he has a Good chance to get the job done. You don't put in Ronny price in a close out game situation, Fresh out of Division 2, into a Pressure cooker close out game,with no playoff experience, just because he may can stay in front of tony parker Better than mike bibby, no matter what, You stick with your experience, The guys that play together regularly,you don't change up Drastically and put in a young unproven rookie in Ronnie price just because he may can stay in front of Tony parker. Even the Great Greg popovich wouldn't played a udrich or price in a close out Game situation like Game 6.


Martin and Garcia are also unproven young players who need the Team playing well to suceed, These guys are right now role players, who feed off of the play of the TEAM collectively, Martin seems to play well when the Team is playing together, specificly on offense, when the kings move the ball and play together, He vibes off of this energy and like mike said after the game, They didn't play together for some Reason he stated. As for garcia he wasn't the same,By just Recently coming off of the ankle sprain..


The kings had a 5 point lead in this game, When ron got injured the momentum changed and the Team got emotionally let down, alot of the let down, you can attribute to the Team being new with each other and not Battle Tested as a unit together.As a coach When a Team is closing you out, your caoching instinct is to stick with the players with Experience,popvich, Riley, Brown etc wouldn't play the Rookies either in a Do or die situation like Game 6.


The whole Team didn't play well Together and When this happens like the spurs in game 4, This effects everyone from top to Bottom.You win as a Team, you loose as A Team.


If you don't put a D2 guy on the court in pressure situations right out of college, why did Phil Jackson give Devean George a shot during the 2000 playoffs? The guy took a gamble and it payed off. I believe the Lakers won the title that year, if I'm not mistaken. Jackson had other more experienced guys he could've brought off that bench...but he gave George a look for 15 minutes in a few games against the Kings, Suns, and Blazers that year, and he played relatively well for an unknown D2 rookie. He went on to become a major contributor to the Lakers' 3 titles.
 
Amanjoy said:
If you don't put a D2 guy on the court in pressure situations right out of college, why did Phil Jackson give Devean George a shot during the 2000 playoffs? The guy took a gamble and it payed off. I believe the Lakers won the title that year, if I'm not mistaken. Jackson had other more experienced guys he could've brought off that bench...but he gave George a look for 15 minutes in a few games against the Kings, Suns, and Blazers that year, and he played relatively well for an unknown D2 rookie. He went on to become a major contributor to the Lakers' 3 titles.

Er...what are you talking about?

George averaged a mighty 7.0min a game in his rookie year, and had the second fewest mkinutes on the team (barely nudged out John Salley). He shot less than 40% and was pretty much garbagetime.

In his second year he jumped all the way up to...10.1min a game, shot 31% , and STILL wasn't a rotation guy.

Wasn't until year #3 when he became a real player.
 
Amanjoy said:
If you don't put a D2 guy on the court in pressure situations right out of college, why did Phil Jackson give Devean George a shot during the 2000 playoffs? The guy took a gamble and it payed off. I believe the Lakers won the title that year, if I'm not mistaken. Jackson had other more experienced guys he could've brought off that bench...but he gave George a look for 15 minutes in a few games against the Kings, Suns, and Blazers that year, and he played relatively well for an unknown D2 rookie. He went on to become a major contributor to the Lakers' 3 titles.
It seems like to me that you hate Adleman and you have nothing good to say about him as a coach, You want a championship coach, phil jackson 9 rings Larry brown 1 ring, Greg popovich 3 rings, But other than these guys no ne else has won anything in the last 8 seasons.

Phil jackson 98 bulls
Greg popvich 99 spurs
phil jackson 2000 lakers
phil jackson 2001 lakers
phil jackson 2002 lakers
Greg popvich 2003 spurs
larry brown 2004 pistons
Greg popvich 2005 spurs


Who else out there is really better than adleman, Jerry sloan has 2 final appearances and 2 choke jobs, so He must be a sorry coach right alongh with adleman. George karl and byron scott both have been there, George karl 1st round exit and Byron scott didn't make the playoffs. Rick didn't make the Trade for artest and Artest came in with tougheness the Team needed, but you can't just give Artest the credit for steering the ship all by himself, Rick Deserves half the credit as a Coach, mixing artest into the offense on the fly, Balancing the egos and maintaining balance with 10 players who he has only been around for less than a Season.


Rick also is Responsible for raising the bar on how Teams play such as the suns, mavericks, nets, wizards etc, He revolutionized the game by allowing jason williams to march up court and shoot three pointers with 20 seconds left on the shot clock,something the mvp steve nash does with the suns.
 
shaka zulu said:
It seems like to me that you hate Adleman and you have nothing good to say about him as a coach, You want a championship coach, phil jackson 9 rings Larry brown 1 ring, Greg popovich 3 rings, But other than these guys no ne else has won anything in the last 8 seasons.

Phil jackson 98 bulls
Greg popvich 99 spurs
phil jackson 2000 lakers
phil jackson 2001 lakers
phil jackson 2002 lakers
Greg popvich 2003 spurs
larry brown 2004 pistons
Greg popvich 2005 spurs


Who else out there is really better than adleman, Jerry sloan has 2 final appearances and 2 choke jobs, so He must be a sorry coach right alongh with adleman. George karl and byron scott both have been there, George karl 1st round exit and Byron scott didn't make the playoffs. Rick didn't make the Trade for artest and Artest came in with tougheness the Team needed, but you can't just give Artest the credit for steering the ship all by himself, Rick Deserves half the credit as a Coach, mixing artest into the offense on the fly, Balancing the egos and maintaining balance with 10 players who he has only been around for less than a Season.


Rick also is Responsible for raising the bar on how Teams play such as the suns, mavericks, nets, wizards etc, He revolutionized the game by allowing jason williams to march up court and shoot three pointers with 20 seconds left on the shot clock,something the mvp steve nash does with the suns.

heck you could throw Rudy T on that list for 2 more rings. It goes to show how important coaching really is
 
stevetaebo said:
heck you could throw Rudy T on that list for 2 more rings. It goes to show how important coaching really is
NO you don't throw rudy in there, we are talking about the last 8 years of the NBA, From jordan to duncan only three coaches have won NBA titles and Rick adleman was in the mix legitmately at least 2 of these seasons, He wasn't lucky to have his Team healthy in those years but he has helped Revolutionize the game offensively and he has competed as a coach on a High level with the Best of the Them, Through those years. In my Book he is a Terrific coach and the kings will miss him regardless of how much everyone feels about him not ever winning the big one. Phil jackson knows the Deal with adelman, he made videos of Adelman comparing him to hitler when adelman had the little mustache,He told his Team before they played the kings in Arco during one of his motivational lectures he told his Team that adleman was like hitler and the Fans were intimidating and feirce like hitlers third riech and going to play adleman and the kings in arco would be like going to Germany and fighting hitler.




Along with being called the "Zen Master", Jackson is known as the master of mind games. In the Laker film room before the 2000 playoffs, Jackson displayed images of Edward Norton's character from the movie American History X, who has a bald head and a tattoo of a swastika, alternating with photos with Sacramento's white, shaved-headed and tattooed point guard, Jason Williams. Jackson then displayed pictures of Adolf Hitler alternately appearing with Sacramento coach Rick Adelman. When Rick Adelman's learned of this, he openly questioned Jackson's motivational techniques saying Jackson had "crossed the line". [1] Nevertheless, the Lakers went on to win the series and the championship.



Jackson's use of movie clips isn't always touchy-feely, as was the case last year when he used scenes from "American History X" to prepare his Lakers for a playoff series against the Sacramento Kings. Primarily, he used the film and its underlying message of the brotherhood of man to unite his feuding stars, Kobe and Shaq. But he also took things in an altogether different direction by cutting back and forth between the film's Edward Norton character, who has a bald head and a tattoo of a swastika, and Sacramento's white, shaved-headed and tattooed point guard, Jason Williams. Then, according to the Washington Post, Jackson made comparisons between Sacramento coach Rick Adelman -- who has a mustache and distinctly German features -- and Adolf Hitler.


Adelman helped create this atmosphere of high basketball energy in sacramento, He helped innovate How the game is played offensively,He along with support of the fans created the vibartion at Arco, A vibe that everyone feared to come here to play against. The head is cut off and it will take some time to establish another Body, It isn't going to so simple to regain as many think.
 
yay sports revisionist history, its spreading around a lot right now in Sacramento

Look, I haven't liked Adleman as the coach for the past few years or so. That did not change just because the Maloofs handled his firing/letting go rather poorly. That falls on the owners, it doesn't make Adleman any better.

I'd like someone to write about that. Write about being a fan without being an easily led lunatic.

How about Webber? Most media defended him in this town until he left, which at that point they let loose on him without guilt. How about those of us who knew Webber's issues and problems, saw that what the team is doing now as what they should have done years ago and were asking for the team to go younger and more defensive minded years ago? Where's our voice in the media? The Bee and KHTK are a joke.
 
swisshh said:
yay sports revisionist history, its spreading around a lot right now in Sacramento

Look, I haven't liked Adleman as the coach for the past few years or so. That did not change just because the Maloofs handled his firing/letting go rather poorly. That falls on the owners, it doesn't make Adleman any better.

I'd like someone to write about that. Write about being a fan without being an easily led lunatic.

How about Webber? Most media defended him in this town until he left, which at that point they let loose on him without guilt. How about those of us who knew Webber's issues and problems, saw that what the team is doing now as what they should have done years ago and were asking for the team to go younger and more defensive minded years ago? Where's our voice in the media? The Bee and KHTK are a joke.

So anyone who liked Adelman was an easily led lunatic...

Well, that's so nice to know.

I'm so glad you're here to spread the Gospel according to swisshh.
 
swisshh said:
yay sports revisionist history, its spreading around a lot right now in Sacramento

Look, I haven't liked Adleman as the coach for the past few years or so. That did not change just because the Maloofs handled his firing/letting go rather poorly. That falls on the owners, it doesn't make Adleman any better.

I'd like someone to write about that. Write about being a fan without being an easily led lunatic.

How about Webber? Most media defended him in this town until he left, which at that point they let loose on him without guilt. How about those of us who knew Webber's issues and problems, saw that what the team is doing now as what they should have done years ago and were asking for the team to go younger and more defensive minded years ago? Where's our voice in the media? The Bee and KHTK are a joke.

uh thats a nice way to make us of who liked Adelman feel.? lunatic? ha.
 
VF21 said:
So anyone who liked Adelman was an easily led lunatic...

Well, that's so nice to know.

I'm so glad you're here to spread the Gospel according to swisshh.

Marty's article was about all the second guessers and naysayers who are suddenly crying out for Adleman now. That is who my comment is about. All the people who suddenly liked Adleman when he got let go, after wanting his head earlier in the season.
 
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