Bee: 24 seconds with Grant Napear

[Superman]

Only spoiled people clamor that "only a championship matters", and only spoiled fans complain when the team is making it into the second and third round of the playoffs in consecutive years, culminating to the ousting of an outstanding coach.

Perfect example. Fans were calling for Rick Adelman's head for years. Regardless of the fact that he coached the team into the playoffs eight straight years.

We went from

... the 8th seed was the holy freakin' grail ...

to:

"I can't believe we got put out in the second round again! Rick Adelman is holding this team back!!!"

I think this argument is completely about semantics. No one likes being called spoiled, but fact of the matter is that we all expect the Kings to be contenders every year, because they've been good for so long. Nothing necessarily wrong with it; hopefully it will put pressure on management if the fan base is disgruntled, and they'll make something happen. But we all expect more, every single year.

 

[VF21]

I do agree a lot of it is semantics but I think another part to be addressed is that with higher prices came higher expectations. If you're paying $230-280 (or more) for two tickets in the lower level, you pretty much expect so see something worthwhile. And that's true no matter where your seat is located actually. For most people, the decision to shell out big bucks for entertainment is tough enough when you KNOW what you're going to see. When things are as unpredictable as the past couple of seasons, I can fully understand a lot of season ticket holders taking a step back...

 

[kennadog]

I do agree a lot of it is semantics but I think another part to be addressed is that with higher prices came higher expectations. If you're paying $230-280 (or more) for two tickets in the lower level, you pretty much expect so see something worthwhile. And that's true no matter where your seat is located actually. For most people, the decision to shell out big bucks for entertainment is tough enough when you KNOW what you're going to see. When things are as unpredictable as the past couple of seasons, I can fully understand a lot of season ticket holders taking a step back...

I can certainly understand that, too. On the other hand, the price of tickets has a whole lot more to do with the economics of a professional team in Sacramento, than with the quality of the product on the floor. An out-dated arena that's losing business, few luxury suites, and no real corporate presence to take some of the load off Joe fan's wallet.

 

[jon e]

you think grant napear give a damn about a grammy????

 

[fnordius]

You notice the only ones he yells at or hangs up on are the stupid callers who either have nothing to say or are morons. Why such the hate on Grant Napear of his broadcasting and his show? Just wondering. Examples???

Examples, hmmm.... how about this one.

4 Aug. 2006
Grant declares that people who don't vote yes on the arena bills are “Retarded, stupid dirt bags who are stuck in the mud." Now, the Maloofs themselves didn't endorse those bills, they absolutely did want an arena, but didn't like the way the bills were written, and 3/4 of the voters seemed to agree. Isn't Phil Jackson far politer and more respectful of us than that? I can't imagine him calling the Maloofs, or most of the people of Sacramento, "retarded, stupid dirt bags."

 

[mcsluggo]

I can certainly understand that, too. On the other hand, the price of tickets has a whole lot more to do with the economics of a professional team in Sacramento, than with the quality of the product on the floor. An out-dated arena that's losing business, few luxury suites, and no real corporate presence to take some of the load off Joe fan's wallet.

You think a sparkling new arena would lower ticket prices!?!???

hmmmmmmm....

 

[Cal-Kings]

http://www.sacbee.com/351/story/151219.html

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A: No. And I don't. But so many fans, still to this day, call in and bring that up. "When we had Chris (Webber), when we had Vlade (Divac) ... " And I tell fans, "We don't have those guys anymore. They're gone."

WHAT??

Webber and Divac are GONE??

SINCE WHEN?!?!?

 

[Cal-Kings]

Napear's attitude is so condescending.

And just what does "spoiled" mean? Yeah, we want to win. What fan doesn't want to win?

What's the opposite of being spoiled and what kind of fans woud Grant approve of?

Are we supposed to just say "Oh golly, we are so happy we got to the Western Conference Finals once. I'm now satisfied and will support my team as we now dwell in the cellar. I've had enough of this winning stuff, please lets get back to sucking."

Is that the kind of fans we're supposed to be, Grant?

Because I'm not that kind of fan. I want to win. I demand a quality product on the floor. Sorry, Grant, but we WERE better with Webber and Vlade and yeah, we GOT IT that they are no longer here!! We're not happy that they've been replaced with sub-par quality.

Yeah, yeah, I understand all the issues with trades, salary caps, yada, yada, yada...

But continue to demean Kings fans as spoiled and STUPID and see where it gets you, Grant.

 

[Löwenherz]

Of course it is tradition. It boils down to nostalgia and the term "New York Football Giants" is used across the nation - especially by New Yorkers who love the Giants.

I am hoping that those that were ripping on Grant for using the term actually know better.

I wasn't ripping on Grant for the term, just presenting a question. I'm quite familar with it, especially after hearing Boomer say it every night on NFL Primetime.

But similarly, it stands to reason we could say the New York Baseball Yankees, since there was a football team by the same name the last time the Baseball Giants were in New York.

I guess it's just one of those traditional things sports fans say without really thinking about it like "defense wins championships."

 

[Superman]

I do agree a lot of it is semantics but I think another part to be addressed is that with higher prices came higher expectations. If you're paying $230-280 (or more) for two tickets in the lower level, you pretty much expect so see something worthwhile. And that's true no matter where your seat is located actually. For most people, the decision to shell out big bucks for entertainment is tough enough when you KNOW what you're going to see. When things are as unpredictable as the past couple of seasons, I can fully understand a lot of season ticket holders taking a step back...

Oh absolutely, but I'm not talking about season ticket holders. Many of them aren't necessarily fans anyways.

Just look at what's happened on this board over the past couple of seasons. Of course the same amount of excitement and passion isn't going to be there if we're not winning, but you can tell that a lot of fans don't support the team the way they used to. It's easy to rally behind a team that's on the way up; not so much when that same team starts to disappoint on the floor. And it's free to be a member at Kingsfans.com.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the fans on this board, or fans in general. I'm just saying that it's obvious that some fans don't really realize how good we had it during the "glory days", and I say that because they so quickly turned on the components of those great teams. Those players and coaches who put us on the map quickly became expendable, not because of anything they did wrong, but because we never got that championship we so badly wanted. Like I said earlier, it went from the 8th seed being so desperately sought after to the 3rd seed not being enough, in just two or three years.

And when you think about it, in the eight years that we earned a playoff spot, how many teams won championships? Four. The Kings are just one of 26 teams who didn't win it all. And that's the reality of it: most years you don't win a championship. And there were a number of teams that NEVER qualified for the postseason during that entire eight-year run; even more who only made it once or twice.

As a collective fan base, we don't realize just what we had and how good it was to be a part of it. That's why I don't see what's wrong with being nostalgic and paying homage, if you will, to guys like Webber and Vlade and J-Will and Bobby Jackson and Doug Christie and Rick Adelman, etc., the guys who got us close enough to really be a legitimate contender for several seasons. They don't wear Kings jerseys anymore, but they will always be a huge part of this franchise, from my point of view.

Nothing wrong with wanting more and being upset with these past couple of seasons. But when you start forgetting where we came from, what we had, and how rare it is to be good for so long in professional sports, it's a shame. It sort of devalues the hard work and dedication of so many people who tried their damndest to please their fans.

 

[Cal-Kings]

...As a collective fan base, we don't realize just what we had and how good it was to be a part of it.

Do you have some survey that confirms that today's Kings fan "don't realize just what we had and how good it was"??

...Nothing wrong with wanting more and being upset with these past couple of seasons. But when you start forgetting where we came from, what we had, and how rare it is to be good for so long in professional sports, it's a shame. It sort of devalues the hard work and dedication of so many people who tried their damndest to please their fans.

Who has "forgotten" where we came from and how is one supposed to act while expressing that we remember "where we came from"?

I just don't understand what is required to be a fan who isn't called spoiled?

Should I always discuss the Kings with some kind of preface like "I appreciate all the great years, but..." when I talk about them? Otherwise, how does one judge that we "forgot where we came from"?

 

[Gary]

Since I put my speakers and amps into my car my ride home does not include Grant anymore (ok maybe once a week or something)...

The best thing about Grant's show is when he tries to put someone down. He sounds so funny trying to come up with an insult. Most of the time it makes no sense. Like the guy needs to go to the "brain store" to buy a new brain? WTF? Reminds me of the Seinfeld episode when George thinks he has the best insult (the Jerk Store).. LOL Grant is a retard.

 

[Superman]

Do you have some survey that confirms that today's Kings fan "don't realize just what we had and how good it was"??

Who has "forgotten" where we came from and how is one supposed to act while expressing that we remember "where we came from"?

I just don't understand what is required to be a fan who isn't called spoiled?

Should I always discuss the Kings with some kind of preface like "I appreciate all the great years, but..." when I talk about them? Otherwise, how does one judge that we "forgot where we came from"?

Do you disagree with my previous two posts, or are you just offended at the idea of being called spoiled as a fan?

I think I highlighted the areas that show proof of the collective fan base being out of touch with how hard it is to have eight winning seasons in a row, after going 13 years without a single winning season.

I'm just saying that it's obvious that some fans don't really realize how good we had it during the "glory days", and I say that because they so quickly turned on the components of those great teams. Those players and coaches who put us on the map quickly became expendable, not because of anything they did wrong, but because we never got that championship we so badly wanted. Like I said earlier, it went from the 8th seed being so desperately sought after to the 3rd seed not being enough, in just two or three years.

Again, I don't think it means that those of us who are frustrated and disappointed with the past couple of seasons are bad fans. I'm saying that we got so used to winning that we forgot that losing is a normal part of professional sports, and there will always be down years. Players will disappoint, coaches will make poor decisions, fan favorites will walk, and that's par for the course.

Every fan base goes through this when the team takes a few steps backwards. It's hard to root for a team that loses more than they win, especially when you've become used to them winning more than they lose. Doesn't mean we're bad fans. Just means we got used to being a top team, developed a sense of entitlement, and now that we're not a top team anymore, we feel ripped off to a certain degree.

Replace the word "spoiled" with one that doesn't ruffle your feathers quite as much. But I think the word is fitting. We were treated the best basketball this modern-day franchise has ever played, and we're not being treated the same way anymore. And we're disappointed. That's pretty much the definition of "spoiled".

 

[kupman]

Oh absolutely, but I'm not talking about season ticket holders. Many of them aren't necessarily fans anyways.

Just look at what's happened on this board over the past couple of seasons. Of course the same amount of excitement and passion isn't going to be there if we're not winning, but you can tell that a lot of fans don't support the team the way they used to. It's easy to rally behind a team that's on the way up; not so much when that same team starts to disappoint on the floor. And it's free to be a member at Kingsfans.com.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the fans on this board, or fans in general. I'm just saying that it's obvious that some fans don't really realize how good we had it during the "glory days", and I say that because they so quickly turned on the components of those great teams. Those players and coaches who put us on the map quickly became expendable, not because of anything they did wrong, but because we never got that championship we so badly wanted. Like I said earlier, it went from the 8th seed being so desperately sought after to the 3rd seed not being enough, in just two or three years.

And when you think about it, in the eight years that we earned a playoff spot, how many teams won championships? Four. The Kings are just one of 26 teams who didn't win it all. And that's the reality of it: most years you don't win a championship. And there were a number of teams that NEVER qualified for the postseason during that entire eight-year run; even more who only made it once or twice.

As a collective fan base, we don't realize just what we had and how good it was to be a part of it. That's why I don't see what's wrong with being nostalgic and paying homage, if you will, to guys like Webber and Vlade and J-Will and Bobby Jackson and Doug Christie and Rick Adelman, etc., the guys who got us close enough to really be a legitimate contender for several seasons. They don't wear Kings jerseys anymore, but they will always be a huge part of this franchise, from my point of view.

Nothing wrong with wanting more and being upset with these past couple of seasons. But when you start forgetting where we came from, what we had, and how rare it is to be good for so long in professional sports, it's a shame. It sort of devalues the hard work and dedication of so many people who tried their damndest to please their fans.

Very nice post.

I like it anyway because I agree with it. I have tried to express similar views elsewhere on this board, but I never did it nearly as well as you just did.

 

[Cal-Kings]

Do you disagree with my previous two posts, or are you just offended at the idea of being called spoiled as a fan?

I'm trying to figure out what a non-spoiled fan is supposed to act like.

I think I highlighted the areas that show proof of the collective fan base being out of touch with how hard it is to have eight winning seasons in a row, after going 13 years without a single winning season.

How are you evaluating that "collective fans" are "out of touch"? What constitutes "out of touch" in your opinion and how is a fan supposed to act who is "in touch"?

 

[Cal-Kings]

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Again, I don't think it means that those of us who are frustrated and disappointed with the past couple of seasons are bad fans. I'm saying that we got so used to winning that we forgot that losing is a normal part of professional sports, and there will always be down years.

Ok, so who, in your opinion has "forgotten" this and how are you coming to this conclusion?

Players will disappoint, coaches will make poor decisions, fan favorites will walk, and that's par for the course.

Yes, and?

Every fan base goes through this when the team takes a few steps backwards. It's hard to root for a team that loses more than they win, especially when you've become used to them winning more than they lose.

I'd say it's hard to root for a team that loses more than they win anytime.

Doesn't mean we're bad fans. Just means we got used to being a top team, developed a sense of entitlement, and now that we're not a top team anymore, we feel ripped off to a certain degree.

I always want me team to win. And I complain when they don't. What does that have to do with being "spoiled" or "forgetting the last 8 years"?

Replace the word "spoiled" with one that doesn't ruffle your feathers quite as much. But I think the word is fitting. We were treated the best basketball this modern-day franchise has ever played, and we're not being treated the same way anymore. And we're disappointed. That's pretty much the definition of "spoiled".

So, let me try to restate this. Simply because we're unhappy at losing, we're spoiled? Are un-spoiled fans happy to be losing?

What is an un-spoiled fan? "Hooray! We're losers! I'm just grateful we won in the past."

Do you really know these un-spoiled fans?

 

[Cal-Kings]

My issue is with these words and phrases people toss out, like Napear, to describe fans that when evaluated make no sense. They just sound clever.

Why buy into them?

 

[VF21]

So basically, Cal-Kings, you think Supes is over-generalizing when it comes to making blanket comments about fans, right?

And Supes is trying to make observations about SOME fans, not all of them.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the fans on this board, or fans in general. I'm just saying that it's obvious that some fans don't really realize how good we had it during the "glory days"...

I honestly think you're both arguing the same thing but from slightly different viewpoints.

 

[Superman]

I don't know how to answer your questions any better than I already have. And I think this whole disagreement is becoming nothing more than an argument over choice of words. Like I said, if you don't like the term spoiled, than replace it with one that doesn't offend you so much. I think it's fitting, though, given the definition of the word.

I always want me team to win. And I complain when they don't. What does that have to do with being "spoiled" or "forgetting the last 8 years"?

...

So, let me try to restate this. Simply because we're unhappy at losing, we're spoiled? Are un-spoiled fans happy to be losing?

What is an un-spoiled fan? "Hooray! We're losers! I'm just grateful we won in the past."

Do you really know these un-spoiled fans?

...

How are you evaluating that "collective fans" are "out of touch"? What constitutes "out of touch" in your opinion and how is a fan supposed to act who is "in touch"?

Keeping in mind that we were a top team in the League for the better part of a decade, that few teams had as much success as we had during that period, and even fewer had more successes, fans have to realize that it's not realistic to expect greatness every single year. Of course, we do, and that's why we're fans, because we want our team to win every single game. 8-0 in the preseason, 82-0 in the regular season, 16-0 in the playoffs. Every year. We expect our team to be good enough to win every single game, because we care about the team. And when the team is not good enough, we're disappointed. And that's not reality; it's fanaticism, or being a fan.

In the case of Kings fans, many of them have cheered and booed through good seasons and bad ones for two decades. Thirteen losing seasons. Then an amazing stretch of eight years when we make the playoffs, even make some noise in the playoffs, and expect to win a championship. Felt like we deserved a championship, were cheated out of a championship, robbed. Then things start looking worse as the team begins to dissolve. And we never got what we felt we had earned as a team, as fans of a team. And now, after being terrible and fighting up to the top, we are at the bottom again, with our hands empty.

Of the entire NBA fan base, only 13% of fans have seen their team win a championship since the Kings started their 8-year run. A number of teams have missed the playoffs every single year during that run; even more teams only made it once or twice. What we witnessed as Kings fans was special, and I think that some people became so disillusioned with the idea that we should have been NBA Champions during that run that they are overly disappointed, sometimes even bitter, that we didn't get there. But the reality is that most teams don't get where we got. And a lot of fans don't seem to realize that what we had was rare for a professional franchise.

And that's what I mean when I say "out of touch". It's not a put-down or an insult. People just forget that the good ol' days, while gone, were special to fans of this team. The best years the franchise has ever had, and a hell of a lot better than what a lot of teams have had over that same stretch.

I don't think that means that we're bad fans, or that we didn't appreciate what we had. I think we got used to expecting more, and don't realize that we once only dreamed of being a perennial playoff team. A couple years of sub-par basketball isn't the end of the world. And while we suffer through these sub-par years, we should remember fondly the good times, instead of feeling like we didn't get enough.

Again, it's not an indictment of the fan base. It's just being a fan. Ups and downs, smiles and frowns.

 

[Cal-Kings]

So basically, Cal-Kings, you think Supes is over-generalizing when it comes to making blanket comments about fans, right?

And Supes is trying to make observations about SOME fans, not all of them.



I honestly think you're both arguing the same thing but from slightly different viewpoints.

Nah, I'm just questioning the use of the term "spoiled" which, IMHO, has no meaning and makes no sense.

 

[VF21]

Okay, so revised basic summary is you just want something to argue about???



Spoiled is a relative term. Kind of like when you think your younger brother or sister is spoiled because they don't have to work as hard for some of the things you really had to toil for...

Hey, it's all good. At least we're still here.

 

[Cal-Kings]

I don't know how to answer your questions any better than I already have. And I think this whole disagreement is becoming nothing more than an argument over choice of words. Like I said, if you don't like the term spoiled, than replace it with one that doesn't offend you so much. I think it's fitting, though, given the definition of the word.

What would you suggest replacing it with? I can't find any term that would make any less sense than that one to replace it with.

Keeping in mind that we were a top team in the League for the better part of a decade, that few teams had as much success as we had during that period, and even fewer had more successes, fans have to realize that it's not realistic to expect greatness every single year. Of course, we do, and that's why we're fans, because we want our team to win every single game. 8-0 in the preseason, 82-0 in the regular season, 16-0 in the playoffs. Every year. We expect our team to be good enough to win every single game, because we care about the team. And when the team is not good enough, we're disappointed. And that's not reality; it's fanaticism, or being a fan.

Exactly. I agree. Fans are fanatics that only want to win.

In the case of Kings fans, many of them have cheered and booed through good seasons and bad ones for two decades. Thirteen losing seasons. Then an amazing stretch of eight years when we make the playoffs, even make some noise in the playoffs, and expect to win a championship. Felt like we deserved a championship, were cheated out of a championship, robbed. Then things start looking worse as the team begins to dissolve. And we never got what we felt we had earned as a team, as fans of a team. And now, after being terrible and fighting up to the top, we are at the bottom again, with our hands empty.

OK, so how should be behave now then? What is the proper behavior for an un-spoiled fan?

Of the entire NBA fan base, only 13% of fans have seen their team win a championship since the Kings started their 8-year run. A number of teams have missed the playoffs every single year during that run; even more teams only made it once or twice. What we witnessed as Kings fans was special, and I think that some people became so disillusioned with the idea that we should have been NBA Champions during that run that they are overly disappointed, sometimes even bitter, that we didn't get there. But the reality is that most teams don't get where we got. And a lot of fans don't seem to realize that what we had was rare for a professional franchise. And that's what I mean when I say "out of touch". It's not a put-down or an insult.

So you call them out of touch because they hate to lose and are acting like fans?

People just forget that the good ol' days, while gone, were special to fans of this team.

OK, this is my problem. Who are these people with amnesia and don't remember the good old days? I have yet to meet a Kings fan that doesn't remember the great run of the last 8 years. Do you know people who don't remember that?

The best years the franchise has ever had, and a hell of a lot better than what a lot of teams have had over that same stretch.

So we should just be grateful for the past and be happy that we're losing now?

I don't think that means that we're bad fans, or that we didn't appreciate what we had.

But you just said people don't even remember what we had. Now you are saying they do remember and appreciate it? I agree!

I think we got used to expecting more, and don't realize that we once only dreamed of being a perennial playoff team.

Now we're back to saying fans "don't realize" something. What fans are these?

A couple years of sub-par basketball isn't the end of the world. And while we suffer through these sub-par years, we should remember fondly the good times, instead of feeling like we didn't get enough.

Why? Sub-par performances are the end of the world to a fan. Well, not literally. But are you expecting them to just be happy and talk only about the good old days which they've forgotten about and be happy we're losing?

Again, it's not an indictment of the fan base. It's just being a fan. Ups and downs, smiles and frowns.

My point is, this whole concept of "spoiled" makes no sense and by trying to defend it, you don't make any sense either. Sorry.

It's a word that gets tossed out and I've never figured out what it's supposed to mean other than it sounds clever.

 

[Cal-Kings]

Okay, so revised basic summary is you just want something to argue about???



Spoiled is a relative term. Kind of like when you think your younger brother or sister is spoiled because they don't have to work as hard for some of the things you really had to toil for...

Hey, it's all good. At least we're still here.

I understand the word spoiled. I'm just saying, in this context, it's tossed out to sound good but makes no sense.

Someone tell me how an "un-spoiled" fan is supposed to act?

If you can't then I say the word is silly in this context.

It's simple.

Why do we buy into these generalizations all the time without even thinking about them?

 

[Superman]

I understand the word spoiled. I'm just saying, in this context, it's tossed out to sound good but makes no sense.

Someone tell me how an "un-spoiled" fan is supposed to act?

If you can't then I say the word is silly in this context.

It's simple.

Why do we buy into these generalizations all the time without even thinking about them?

I'm not buying into anything. And I'm not generalizing.

Like I said, there's nothing necessarily wrong with it (that is, until you start to turn on the players and the organization, which I'm not blaming any one individual of, but has happened with some). It's just the way it is. You don't have to be a so-called "un-spoiled fan." I don't even think they exist.

I actually think you agree with the point I'm making; you just think I'm brainwashed by society or something because I agree with the use of the word spoiled. So here goes:

Fans of the Sacramento Kings are so used to the team being good for so long that they have lost sight of the fact that it's rare for a team to do what we did. And now that the team isn't good, we don't want to have to wait to get to the top again. As fans, we expect greatness every year, because we were treated to relative greatness for such a long time. It's an unrealistic expectation, but such is life as a Kings fan.

Separate from that point, but completely related, is the thought that we should be sure to remember and appreciate the individuals associated with our good years, because those individuals were special. They gave us the best years we've ever had, even though they didn't get us to that ultimate goal of winning a championship.

So I agree with the declaration that fans have unrealistic expectations due to our being good for so long (which I call being spoiled, because it doesn't take so long to type). I disagree with the sentiment that the "glory days" are gone and we should just move on.

 

[NikateeN]

I think the "spoiled" fans are all gone anyway, i work in retail and i talk to a lot of people about the kings, i see people wearing shirts, hats, sweatshirts, you name it, they have the Kings gear on yet when i ask them about the Kings they tell me they havnt been a fan since the winning days, and there is no doubt in my mind that is what Grant it reffering to when he speaks of these "spoiled" fans, people that gave up because we are losing now, and the minute we become a winning team again, the greater Sacramento area will tune right back in.

I wasnt a basketball fan back in the good ol days, but almost everybody i knew were Kings fans back then, it seemed everywhere you went it was all about the Kings, but it aint like that anymore and hardly anybody i know are fans now....i cant stand Grant but i can see where hes coming from, i can also see where Cal-Kings is coming from, but the spoiled fans are long gone, not the ones that are here now still watching, spending, and cheering.

 

[Cal-Kings]

I'm not buying into anything. And I'm not generalizing.

....

LOL! Ok. Fine.

 

[Cal-Kings]

I think the "spoiled" fans are all gone anyway, i work in retail and i talk to a lot of people about the kings, i see people wearing shirts, hats, sweatshirts, you name it, they have the Kings gear on yet when i ask them about the Kings they tell me they havnt been a fan since the winning days, and there is no doubt in my mind that is what Grant it reffering to when he speaks of these "spoiled" fans, people that gave up because we are losing now, and the minute we become a winning team again, the greater Sacramento area will tune right back in.

I wasnt a basketball fan back in the good ol days, but almost everybody i knew were Kings fans back then, it seemed everywhere you went it was all about the Kings, but it aint like that anymore and hardly anybody i know are fans now....i cant stand Grant but i can see where hes coming from, i can also see where Cal-Kings is coming from, but the spoiled fans are long gone, not the ones that are here now still watching, spending, and cheering.

Aaahhh... looks like you're describing a bandwagon fan.

I think that's the kind of fan we can all recognize.

Bandwagon fans are everywhere in every sport in every city.

Why call Kings fans "spoiled" if what he's referring to are bandwagon fans, who aren't really Kings fans to begin with?

 

[Löwenherz]

I was just about to say, it sounded like the conversation was becoming about "Bandwagoners" rather than the whole fanbase in general being spoiled.

But I haven't been to Arco in years (since a 30 point drubbing of the Mavs, those were the days) so I can't speak about the atmosphere now.

I'm confident if you've followed the team through the dark ages and golden years up until now -- you don't act nor deserve to be considered spoiled.

 

[VF21]

It still all boils down to effort. I was there Friday and it was almost a playoff atmosphere because of the EFFORT the kids were showing on the court. And the veterans were standing up and applauding the kids because of the EFFORT.

Bandwagon fans come and go. If some fans are spoiled and not happy with the product, they'll wander off... until and unless they're brought back into the fold by the bright lights of media attention when things get good again.

The normal guy fan, the one who sticks with the team even though he may not be happy with what's gone on, doesn't leave. The people on this board are a prime example.

There are as many kinds of fans as there are grains of sand on the beach. Bottom line, though, around here I'm just glad we're KINGSFANS!!!

And yes, that was horribly corny and I should probably be taken out and flogged.

 

[Löwenherz]

Maybe Grant's better than I give him credit. With a single word he's caused us to go into an existential breakdown.

Across the field of war, Napear -- I salute you.