Balanced lineups

[K F Jay]

Lets look at our best offensive players from best to worst
Evans+3 Cousins+2.5 Landry+2.5 Udrih+2 Casspi+1.5 Garcia+1.5 Thompson+1.5 Head+1 Dalembert+1 Jackson+1 Jeter+1 Greene+1 Taylor+1

Now lets look at our best defenders
Dalembert+3 Greene+2.5 Evans+2.5 Garcia+2 Thompson+2 Cousins+2 Jackson+2 Head+2 Casspi+1.5 Taylor+1.5 Jeter+1.5 Udrih+1 Landry+1

By totaling the points in an given lineup, I figure a total of +8.5 on offense should be enough scoring and +9.5 on defense should be reasonable.The lineups in bold indicate an acceptable lineup that should almost always be played. The lineups in gray indicate an unacceptable lineup that should almost never be played. You will notice lineups that are neither bold or gray, these lineups are considered borderline that consists of an offense of +8 or defense of +9. I found a few of these borderline lineups to be acceptable and a few nonacceptable.

The highest offense recorded is +11.5, lowest is +6.
The highest defense recorded is +12, lowest is +6.

+offense/+defense

Dalembert/Cousins/Greene/Garcia/Evans = +9/+12
Dalembert/Cousins/Casspi/Garcia/Evans = +9.5/+11
Dalembert/Cousins/Greene/Evans/Udrih = +9.5/+11
Dalembert/Cousins/Garcia/Evans/Udrih = +10/+10.5
Cousins/Thompson/Greene/Garcia/Evans = +9.5/+11
Cousins/Landry/Greene/Garcia/Evans = +10.5/+10
Dalembert/Cousins/Garcia/Evans/Head = +9/+11.5
Dalembert/Cousins/Greene/Evans/Head = +8.5/+12
Cousins/Thompson/Greene/Evans/Udrih = +10/+10
Cousins/Thompson/Casspi/Garcia/Evans = +10/+10
Dalembert/Cousins/Casspi/Evans/Udrih = +10/+10
Dalembert/Landry/Greene/Garcia/Evans = +9/+11
Dalembert/Thompson/Greene/Garcia/Evans = +8/+12
Cousins/Thompson/Garcia/Evans/Udrih = +10.5/+9.5
Cousins/Thompson/Garcia/Evans/Head = +9.5/+10.5
Dalembert/Cousins/Casspi/Evans/Head = +9/+11
Cousins/Thompson/Greene/Evans/Head = +9/+11
Dalembert/Cousins/Garcia/Evans/Jeter = +9/+11
Dalembert/Cousins/Garcia/Taylor/Evans = +9/+11
Cousins/Landry/Garcia/Evans/Head = +10.5/+9.5
Cousins/Landry/Greene/Evans/Head = +10/+10
Cousins/Landry/Greene/Evans/Udrih = +11/+9
Cousins/Landry/Casppi/Garcia/Evans = +11/+9
Dalembert/Cousins/Greene/Evans/Jeter = +8.5/+11.5
Dalembert/Cousins/Greene/Taylor/Evans = +8.5/+11.5
Cousins/Landry/Garcia/Evans/Udrih = +11.5/+8.5
Dalembert/Landry/Greene/Evans/Udrih = +9.5/+10
Dalembert/Landry/Casspi/Garcia/Evans = +9.5/+10
Dalembert/Thompson/Garcia/Evans/Udrih = +9/+10.5
Thompson/Landry/Greene/Garcia/Evans = +9.5/+10
Dalembert/Thompson/Casspi/Garcia/Evans = +8.5/+11
Dalembert/Thompson/Greene/Evans/Udrih = +8.5/+11
Dalembert/Cousins/Casspi/Evans/Jeter = +9/+10.5
Cousins/Thompson/Greene/Evans/Jeter = +9/+10.5
Cousins/Thompson/Greene/Taylor/Evans = +9/+10.5
Cousins/Thompson/Garcia/Taylor/Evans = +9.5/+10
Cousins/Thompson/Casspi/Evans/Head = +9.5/+10
Dalembert/Landry/Garcia/Evans/Udrih = +10/+9.5
Dalembert/Landry/Greene/Evans/Head = +8.5/+11
Dalembert/Landry/Garcia/Evans/Head = +9/+10.5
Cousins/Thompson/Casspi/Evans/Udrih = +10.5/+9
Dalembert/Cousins/Casspi/Taylor/Evans = +9/+10.5
Dalembert/Cousins/Evans/Taylor/Udrih = +9.5/+10
Dalembert/Cousins/Evans/Udrih/Jeter = +9.5/+10
Cousins/Thompson/Garcia/Evans/Jeter = +9.5/+10
Cousins/Landry/Greene/Taylor/Evans = +10/+9.5
Cousins/Landry/Greene/Evans/Jeter = +10/+9.5
Cousins/Landry/Casspi/Evans/Head = +10.5/+9
Cousins/Landry/Garcia/Taylor/Evans = +10.5/+9
Cousins/Landry/Garcia/Evans/Jeter = +10.5/+9
Dalembert/Thompson/Garcia/Evans/Head = +8/+11.5
Dalembert/Thompson/Greene/Evans/Head = +7.5/+12
Cousins/Landry/Casspi/Evans/Udrih = +11.5/+8
Dalembert/Thompson/Casspi/Evans/Udrih = +9/+10
Dalembert/Landry/Greene/Taylor/Evans = +8.5/+10.5
Dalembert/Landry/Garcia/Taylor/Evans = +9/+10
Dalembert/Landry/Casspi/Evans/Head = +9/+10
Dalembert/Thompson/Garcia/Taylor/Evans = +8/+11
Dalembert/Thompson/Casspi/Evans/Head = +8/+11
Dalembert/Landry/Garcia/Evans/Jeter = +9/+10
Thompson/Landry/Greene/Evans/Head = +9/+10
Thompson/Landry/Garcia/Evans/Head = +9.5/+9.5
Cousins/Thompson/Casspi/Taylor/Evans = +9.5/+9.5
Cousins/Thompson/Casspi/Evans/Jeter = +9.5/+9.5
Thompson/Landry/Greene/Evans/Udrih = +10/+9
Dalembert/Landry/Casspi/Evans/Udrih = +10/+9
Thompson/Landry/Casspi/Garcia/Evans = +10/+9
Cousins/Thompson/Evans/Taylor/Udrih = +10/+9
Cousins/Thompson/Evans/Udrih/Jeter = +10/+9
Thompson/Jackson/Greene/Garcia/Evans = +8/+11
Dalembert/Landry/Greene/Evans/Jeter = +8.5/+10.5
Dalembert/Thompson/Garcia/Evans/Jeter = +8/+11
Dalembert/Thompson/Greene/Taylor/Evans = +7.5/+11.5
Dalembert/Thompson/Greene/Evans/Jeter = +7.5/+11.5
Cousins/Landry/Casspi/Taylor/Evans = +10.5/+8.5
Thompson/Landry/Garcia/Evans/Udrih = +10.5/+8.5
Cousins/Landry/Casspi/Evans/Jeter = +10.5/+8.5
Cousins/Landry/Evans/Taylor/Udrih = +11/+8
Cousins/Landry/Evans/Udrih/Jeter = +11/+8
Thompson/Jackson/Greene/Evans/Udrih = +8.5/+10
Dalembert/Thompson/Evans/Taylor/Udrih = +8.5/+10
Dalembert/Thompson/Evans/Udrih/Jeter = +8.5/+10
Dalembert/Thompson/Casspi/Taylor/Evans = +8/+10.5
Thompson/Jackson/Casspi/Garcia/Evans = +8.5/+10
Thompson/Jackson/Garcia/Evans/Udrih = +9/+9.5
Dalembert/Landry/Casspi/Taylor/Evans = +9/+9.5
Thompson/Landry/Greene/Taylor/Evans = +9/+9.5
Dalembert/Landry/Casspi/Evans/Jeter = +9/+9.5
Thompson/Landry/Greene/Evans/Jeter = +9/+9.5
Thompson/Landry/Garcia/Taylor/Evans = +9.5/+9
Thompson/Landry/Casspi/Evans/Head = +9.5/+9
Dalembert/Landry/Evans/Taylor/Udrih = +9.5/+9
Thompson/Jackson/Garcia/Evans/Head = +8/+10.5
Dalembert/Thompson/Casspi/Evans/Jeter = +8/+10.5
Thompson/Landry/Garcia/Evans/Jeter = +9.5/+9
Dalembert/Landry/Evans/Udrih/Jeter = +9.5/+9
Thompson/Landry/Casspi/Evans/Udrih = +10.5/+8
Dalembert/Cousins/Garcia/Head/Udrih = +8/+10
Thompson/Jackson/Casspi/Evans/Udrih = +9/+9
Thompson/Landry/Casspi/Taylor/Evans = +9.5/+8.5
Thompson/Landry/Evans/Udrih/Jeter = +10/+8
Thompson/Landry/Casspi/Evans/Jeter = +9.5/+8.5
Dalembert/Cousins/Greene/Head/Udrih = +7.5/+10.5
Dalembert/Cousins/Greene/Garcia/Jeter = +7/+11
Dalembert/Cousins/Garcia/Taylor/Udrih = +8/+9.5
Dalembert/Cousins/Casspi/Head/Udrih = +8/+9.5
Cousins/Thompson/Greene/Head/Udrih = +8/+9.5
Thompson/Jackson/Garcia/Evans/Jeter = +8/+9.5
Cousins/Landry/Greene/Garcia/Jeter = +8.5/+9
Cousins/Thompson/Garcia/Head/Udrih = +8.5/+9
Thompson/Jackson/Evans/Taylor/Udrih = +8.5/+9
Thompson/Jackson/Evans/Udrih/Jeter = +8.5/+9
Dalembert/Cousins/Garcia/Udrih/Jeter = +8/+9.5
Dalembert/Cousins/Greene/Udrih/Jeter = +7.5/+10
Dalembert/Cousins/Greene/Taylor/Udrih = +7.5/+10
Dalembert/Cousins/Casspi/Garcia/Jeter = +7.5/+10
Cousins/Thompson/Greene/Garcia/Jeter = +7.5/+10
Cousins/Landry/Greene/Head/Udrih = +9/+8.5
Cousins/Landry/Garcia/Head/Udrih = +9.5/+8
Cousins/Landry/Garcia/Taylor/Udrih = +9.5/+7.5
Cousins/Thompson/Greene/Taylor/Udrih = +8/+9
Cousins/Thompson/Greene/Udrih/Jeter = +8/+9
Dalembert/Landry/Garcia/Head/Udrih = +8/+9
Cousins/Thompson/Casspi/Garcia/Jeter = +8/+9
Dalembert/Cousins/Casspi/Taylor/Udrih = +8/+9
Dalembert/Cousins/Casspi/Udrih/Jeter = +8/+9
　

 

[K F Jay]

Cousins/Thompson/Garcia/Taylor/Udrih = +8.5/+8.5
Cousins/Thompson/Garcia/Udrih/Jeter = +8.5/+8.5
Dalembert/Landry/Greene/Head/Udrih = +7.5/+9.5
Cousins/Thompson/Casspi/Head/Udrih = +8.5/+8.5
Dalembert/Landry/Greene/Garcia/Jeter = +7/+10
Dalembert/Thompson/Garcia/Head/Udrih = +7/+10
Cousins/Landry/Greene/Taylor/Udrih = +9/+8
Cousins/Landry/Greene/Udrih/Jeter = +9/+8
Cousins/Landry/Casspi/Garcia/Jeter = +9/+8
Cousins/Landry/Garcia/Udrih/Jeter = +9.5/+7.5
Cousins/Landry/Casspi/Head/Udrih = +9.5/+7.5
Dalembert/Thompson/Greene/Head/Udrih = +6.5/+10.5
Dalembert/Thompson/Greene/Garcia/Jeter = +6/+11
Dalembert/Thompson/Casspi/Head/Udrih = +7/+9.5
Thompson/Jackson/Greene/Garcia/Udrih = +7/+9.5
Dalembert/Landry/Garcia/Taylor/Udrih = +8/+8.5
Dalembert/Landry/Greene/Taylor/Udrih = +7.5/+9
Dalembert/Landry/Greene/Udrih/Jeter = +7.5/+9
Thompson/Landry/Greene/Head/Udrih = +8/+8.5
Thompson/Landry/Greene/Garcia/Jeter = +7.5/+9
Thompson/Landry/Evans/Taylor/Udrih = +8.5/+8
Thompson/Landry/Garcia/Head/Udrih = +8.5/+8
Dalembert/Landry/Casspi/Head/Udrih = +8/+8.5
Dalembert/Landry/Casspi/Garcia/Jeter = +7.5/+9
Dalembert/Landry/Garcia/Udrih/Jeter = +8/+8.5
Dalembert/Tompson/Garcia/Udrih/Jeter = +7/+9.5
Dalembert/Thompson/Garcia/Taylor/Udrih = +7/+9.5
Cousins/Thompson/Casspi/Udrih/Jeter = +8.5/+8
Dalembert/Thompson/Casspi/Garcia/Jeter = +6.5/+10
Dalembert/Thompson/Greene/Udrih/Jeter = +6.5/+10
Dalembert/Thompson/Greene/Taylor/Udrih = +6.5/+10
Thompson/Jackson/Casspi/Garcia/Udrih = +7.5/+8.5
Thompson/Landry/Greene/Garcia/Jeter = +7.5/+8.5
Thompson/Landry/Greene/Taylor/Udrih = +8/+8
Dalembert/Thompson/Casspi/Taylor/Udrih = +7/+9
Thompson/Landry/Greene/Udrih/Jeter = +8/+8
Dalembert/Thompson/Casspi/Udrih/Jeter = +7/+9
Dalembert/Landry/Casspi/Taylor/Udrih = +8/+8
Dalembert/Landry/Casspi/Udrih/Jeter = +8/+8
Cousins/Thompson/Casspi/Taylor/Udrih = +8.5/+7.5
Thompson/Landry/Garcia/Taylor/Udrih = +8.5/+7.5
Thompson/Landry/Casspi/Head/Udrih = +8.5/+7.5
Thompson/Landry/Garcia/Udrih/Jeter = +8.5/+7.5
Thompson/Landry/Casspi/Garcia/Jeter = +8/+7.5
Thompson/Landry/Casspi/Taylor/Udrih = +8.5/+7
Thompson/Landry/Casspi/Udrih/Jeter = +8.5/+7
Cousins/Landry/Casspi/Udrih/Jeter = +9.5/+6

 

[cuad]

Well that just proves that Dalembert + Cousins is the way to go.

 

[mac]

The likelihood that Jeter is a better defender than Udrih and Landry is about equal to that of him winning the dunk contest.

 

[LWP777]

This thread makes my head want to explode.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

The major problem with an analysis like this is that the numbers that are being used (Offense: Evans +3, etc.) are completely arbitrary numbers based on a subjective assignment by the original poster. To take such an arbitrary assignment of values and to then try to do a numerical analysis on them isn't really much good, at least in the real world.

The nearest thing I can imagine to a similar analysis would be to use this year's actual +/- numbers (season long) from www.82games.com but even then, I don't think you'd come up with a satisfactory answer. Our best lineup using those numbers would be: Jeter/Garcia/Greene/Jackson/Dalembert, and that doesn't really square with what any reasonable observer sees.

 

[LWP777]

The major problem with an analysis like this is that the numbers that are being used (Offense: Evans +3, etc.) are completely arbitrary numbers based on a subjective assignment by the original poster. To take such an arbitrary assignment of values and to then try to do a numerical analysis on them isn't really much good, at least in the real world.

The nearest thing I can imagine to a similar analysis would be to use this year's actual +/- numbers (season long) from www.82games.com but even then, I don't think you'd come up with a satisfactory answer. Our best lineup using those numbers would be: Jeter/Garcia/Greene/Jackson/Dalembert, and that doesn't really square with what any reasonable observer sees.

Exactly. It's the whole "garbage in, garbage out" saying.....

 

[ESP47]

Yeah I mean if you are going by this years stats, Beno and Landry are our best offensive players. Evans and Cousins both have really bad shooting percentages. I mean you have Cousins and Thompson as +2 defenders while Beno is a +2 on offense. Don't you think Beno's offense is way better than Cousin and Thompsons defense? Cousins and Thompson are both horrible defenders. Defense needs to be something like

Dalembert +3
Greene +2
Evans +2
everyone else 1.5 and below

 

[Nighthawk1]

I wonder if this is how PW decides on starting line-ups... Just creates a master list and crosses them off one by one