Aside from draft picks petrie does everything wrong!

Andre87

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After waiving Whiteside and Donte and signing a nobody aka James Johnson and a midget shot jacker Aaron Brooks we go to a full small ball mode again which hurt us last year.
Add to that we are still left with dead baggage of salmonses outlaws hayes' and garcias of the world, a cbl level coach and no cap space to sign someone worthy... DOH
He somehow made an even worse roster than last year :mad:

All hope is for improvement from DMC, Reke and T-Rob living to the hype he got.
 
After waiving Whiteside and Donte and signing a nobody aka James Johnson and a midget shot jacker Aaron Brooks we go to a full small ball mode again which hurt us last year.
Add to that we are still left with dead baggage of salmonses outlaws hayes' and garcias of the world, a cbl level coach and no cap space to sign someone worthy... DOH
He somehow made an even worse roster than last year :mad:

All hope is for improvement from DMC, Reke and T-Rob living to the hype he got.

You got a nice avatar:)

Seriously I think you are taking the most negative stance possible on each move and low performing player from last year.

Greene and Whiteside are gone because they contributed very little to nothing last season.

Hard working/ steady performing Jason Thompson was signed and he is an ideal third big and maybe improves to "Buck Williams" status.

I want to see James Johnson and Aaron Brooks play before I pass judgment on them.

As for the 4 players you call "dead baggage" I am of the opinion that at least one of them will break out of the funk of last season. Perhaps all 4 will.

Where I do agree with you is that improvement from DMC/Reke and the inclusion of TRob was always whats going to make the most improvement on our beloved Kings.

The Lock Out shortened season of 2011/2012 hurt the young building teams the most. The veteran teams that had been together were affected least.

Lets see what the Kings can do with Summer League, a normal off season and a full training camp BEFORE we dump them:)

KB
 
This again? Really?

Yawn. And BTW? If you really think the "Kings suck," as your signature suggests, why not just find another team to root for?
 
This again? Really?

Yawn. And BTW? If you really think the "Kings suck," as your signature suggests, why not just find another team to root for?

Agreed. The only reason I read these threads is to see how people will put you down for being idiotic.
 
After waiving Whiteside and Donte and signing a nobody aka James Johnson and a midget shot jacker Aaron Brooks we go to a full small ball mode again which hurt us last year.
Add to that we are still left with dead baggage of salmonses outlaws hayes' and garcias of the world, a cbl level coach and no cap space to sign someone worthy... DOH
He somehow made an even worse roster than last year :mad:

All hope is for improvement from DMC, Reke and T-Rob living to the hype he got.

Cousins: 6'11"
J.T. : 6'11"
J. Johnson: 6'9"
T. Evans: 6'5"
I. Thomas: 5'10"

Aside from IT, how is this a small lineup? As for Johnson, he may be a nobody to you, since you know little about basketball, but he's known to me and many others. I followed him in college. And he had a very good year last year. You of course are entitled to your opinion, which borders on worthless as far as I'm concerned, because its agenda driven. I agree with VF21, if you think the Kings suck, why not root for another team? Why put yourself through this misery?
 
Cousins: 6'11"
J.T. : 6'11"
J. Johnson: 6'9"
T. Evans: 6'5"
I. Thomas: 5'10"

Aside from IT, how is this a small lineup? As for Johnson, he may be a nobody to you, since you know little about basketball, but he's known to me and many others. I followed him in college. And he had a very good year last year. You of course are entitled to your opinion, which borders on worthless as far as I'm concerned, because its agenda driven. I agree with VF21, if you think the Kings suck, why not root for another team? Why put yourself through this misery?
The projected starting 5 is not undersized but the team overall is. How is this for a bench
Robinson 6'9"
Hayes 6'6"
Outlaw 6'9"
Salmons 6'6"
Thornton 6'4"
Brooks 6'0"
Jimmer 6'2"
Garcia 6'7"
Honeycutt 6'8"

So in summary we are shorter on average than we were last season and lets not even compare it to two seasons ago. We do not have a single player who is a genuine 7 footer. Our tallest front court bench option is 6'9" at best (T-Rob) and our 2nd tallest back up big is 6'6" which is a guard size.

Our first back up options are both undersized (Brooks and MT) for their position. The only position where we are not undersized is SF and that is based on an optimistic assumption that JJ and Outlaw will play all the minutes there. We all know full well that both of those will play some PF at times and Salmons and Evans will spend some time at SF.

Based on all that we are overall undersized. Our projected starting 5 is fine but when you take into account that our best players will play the most minutes then you realise that we are undersized as a team.
 
After waiving Whiteside and Donte and signing a nobody aka James Johnson and a midget shot jacker Aaron Brooks we go to a full small ball mode again which hurt us last year.
Add to that we are still left with dead baggage of salmonses outlaws hayes' and garcias of the world, a cbl level coach and no cap space to sign someone worthy... DOH
He somehow made an even worse roster than last year :mad:

All hope is for improvement from DMC, Reke and T-Rob living to the hype he got.

At least we wasn't them Charlotte Bobcats....I mean, come on dude, really? Give the dudes a chance to play a freaking game before passing judgment...you're probably one of those who will be first in line to compliment Petrie if next season ends up being a success....
 
The projected starting 5 is not undersized but the team overall is. How is this for a bench
Robinson 6'9"
Hayes 6'6"
Outlaw 6'9"
Salmons 6'6"
Thornton 6'4"
Brooks 6'0"
Jimmer 6'2"
Garcia 6'7"
Honeycutt 6'8"

So in summary we are shorter on average than we were last season and lets not even compare it to two seasons ago. We do not have a single player who is a genuine 7 footer. Our tallest front court bench option is 6'9" at best (T-Rob) and our 2nd tallest back up big is 6'6" which is a guard size.

Our first back up options are both undersized (Brooks and MT) for their position. The only position where we are not undersized is SF and that is based on an optimistic assumption that JJ and Outlaw will play all the minutes there. We all know full well that both of those will play some PF at times and Salmons and Evans will spend some time at SF.

Based on all that we are overall undersized. Our projected starting 5 is fine but when you take into account that our best players will play the most minutes then you realise that we are undersized as a team.

Do you really think I don't know this? I was addressing the spirit of his post. And I'm really too tired to go over all this stuff again. You want to defend him, then have at it. I just don't care anymore..
 
The projected starting 5 is not undersized but the team overall is. How is this for a bench
Robinson 6'9"
Hayes 6'6"
Outlaw 6'9"
Salmons 6'6"
Thornton 6'4"
Brooks 6'0"
Jimmer 6'2"
Garcia 6'7"
Honeycutt 6'8"

So in summary we are shorter on average than we were last season and lets not even compare it to two seasons ago. We do not have a single player who is a genuine 7 footer. Our tallest front court bench option is 6'9" at best (T-Rob) and our 2nd tallest back up big is 6'6" which is a guard size.

Our first back up options are both undersized (Brooks and MT) for their position. The only position where we are not undersized is SF and that is based on an optimistic assumption that JJ and Outlaw will play all the minutes there. We all know full well that both of those will play some PF at times and Salmons and Evans will spend some time at SF.

Based on all that we are overall undersized. Our projected starting 5 is fine but when you take into account that our best players will play the most minutes then you realise that we are undersized as a team.

It is not everything in a size, there is something in a skill.

Yes we replaced 12th man and 14min guy that happened to be tall making us statistically shorter. Whop dee do, you are right.
Just completely ignore the fact that we added 2 players, that though slightly shorter will spend much more time on the court and actualy contribute.

Playing 32-33 min above average tall ball and 15-16min being shortish is not a small ball team.
 
Hasheem Thabeet anyone? Whiteside and Greene?

Oh and how many 7 footers are on the Miami Heat that play significant minutes?

How tall is the starting center for OKC?

While being tall helps as does having the physical tools there is so much more to Basketball. At some point whats in your mind and in your heart is what makes the difference.

KB
 
Hasheem Thabeet anyone? Whiteside and Greene?

Oh and how many 7 footers are on the Miami Heat that play significant minutes?

How tall is the starting center for OKC?

While being tall helps as does having the physical tools there is so much more to Basketball. At some point whats in your mind and in your heart is what makes the difference.

KB

Look, while I agree with your premise, and its hard to argue with the fact that the Heat did win the championship without any real talent at the center position, that is the exception and not the rule. If I have the choice, I'd rather have a talented big man or two, than not. And since we don't have Lebron and Wade on our team, we might have to get a little bigger. But, its not as though we don't have any size on our team right now. If Johnson pans out, then we have a player with legitimate size at the SF position. Actually, he's probably a little above average in height at that position. Granted, thats an IF, so we have to wait and see. Another, IF is whether Honeycutt is able to contribute anything this season, and if so, then we have two legit height players at the SF position.

Robinson is still an unknown right now. But last year, we had JT, Cuz and Hayes. That was it! So if you can add T.Robb to that mix, and he's able to contribute positive minutes, then we may have the resemblence of an actual legit rotation in the frontcourt. Now do I think all those things adds up to the playoffs? Hell no! Could it? I guess, in a perfect world. Hell, if you looked at the Warriors roster with Rick Barry the year they won the championship, it hardly looked playoff competitive, much less like a championship team. But that Warriors team was something you trip over, not strive for.

The bottom line is, all fans cling to one word. HOPE! Sometimes, thats all you have as a fan. So I take umbrage when a so called fan starts a thread, or makes a post, that attacks the only thing left to some fans. Hope!!!! You want to be critical of moves, or the performance of a player, thats fine. Thats why were here, to discuss the where for's and why nots of the team. The phrase, " There's always next year ", springs eternal throughout sports. When you start stepping on that, then whats the point? Why are you here?
 
Cousins: 6'11"
J.T. : 6'11"
J. Johnson: 6'9"
T. Evans: 6'5"
I. Thomas: 5'10"

Aside from IT, how is this a small lineup? As for Johnson, he may be a nobody to you, since you know little about basketball, but he's known to me and many others. I followed him in college. And he had a very good year last year. You of course are entitled to your opinion, which borders on worthless as far as I'm concerned, because its agenda driven. I agree with VF21, if you think the Kings suck, why not root for another team? Why put yourself through this misery?

We have only 3 guys over 6'10", our back up pf is 6'6" and we have 2 midget pgs, 2 undersized sgs - if that's not a small roster you little about basketball.
And lol since when what kind of player somebody was in college mattered if this somebody is already a professional for a couple of years.
 
The projected starting 5 is not undersized but the team overall is. How is this for a bench
Robinson 6'9"
Hayes 6'6"
Outlaw 6'9"
Salmons 6'6"
Thornton 6'4"
Brooks 6'0"
Jimmer 6'2"
Garcia 6'7"
Honeycutt 6'8"

So in summary we are shorter on average than we were last season and lets not even compare it to two seasons ago. We do not have a single player who is a genuine 7 footer. Our tallest front court bench option is 6'9" at best (T-Rob) and our 2nd tallest back up big is 6'6" which is a guard size.

Our first back up options are both undersized (Brooks and MT) for their position. The only position where we are not undersized is SF and that is based on an optimistic assumption that JJ and Outlaw will play all the minutes there. We all know full well that both of those will play some PF at times and Salmons and Evans will spend some time at SF.

Based on all that we are overall undersized. Our projected starting 5 is fine but when you take into account that our best players will play the most minutes then you realise that we are undersized as a team.

So what is your point? Size wins NBA games? As those before me here have said, the Heat, Thunder and Bulls would beg to differ. Teams with two 7-footers (Lakers, Grizz, etc) may have gotten to the playoffs but seems to me it was their SG and SF who more responsible. Hmm, so you think size wins games! I always thought it was.defense, defense and defense.
 
So what is your point? Size wins NBA games? As those before me here have said, the Heat, Thunder and Bulls would beg to differ. Teams with two 7-footers (Lakers, Grizz, etc) may have gotten to the playoffs but seems to me it was their SG and SF who more responsible. Hmm, so you think size wins games! I always thought it was.defense, defense and defense.

Thing is, basketball is a big man's game. People always want to fight that but its kind of silly. All contact sports favor large people, but one with a 10 foot hoop favors them prohibitively. Where it really comes into play is on defense. Being tall doesn't automatically make you a good defender, but being small for your position greatly increases your odds of being a poor one. Its the simple gemoetry of the game.

P.S. Chicago had good size (Noah, Asik, Gibson, Boozer up front, 6'9" SF in Deng, multiple 6'7" SGs, a 6'3" PG), the Thunder would beg to differ very loudly as they are one of the biggest teams in the league (Perkins/Ibaka/Collison/Mohammed up front, 6'10"SF, 6'7" SG, 6'3" PG). And the Heat are just freaks. Their structure has nothing to do with anybody, least of all us. We will never have a team with that kind of superstar build and have to play by the rules like anybody else.
 
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Why are people debating so heatedly in a thread started by a guy who thinks the Kings suck? Isn't this what the average troll wishes? When I see guys who are intelligent and usually agree on almost everything going at it, I know something is wrong. Congrats Andre87. Mission accomplished.
 
So what is your point? Size wins NBA games? As those before me here have said, the Heat, Thunder and Bulls would beg to differ. Teams with two 7-footers (Lakers, Grizz, etc) may have gotten to the playoffs but seems to me it was their SG and SF who more responsible. Hmm, so you think size wins games! I always thought it was.defense, defense and defense.

What's his point? Are you being disingenuous? You don't see the difference in the makeup of OKC, MIA, Chi and us? I understand people wanting to spin things in a positive way but acting like they don't understand valid points is a bit ridiculous.

We don't have the size or defense a Deng, Asik and Noah frontline rotation had. Sure Boozer was a weak spot, but they had size and defense around him to help cover. Who is our Noah/Asik equivalent, or now Noah/Mahammad? We run out IT/Brooks, two undersized PG;s, they run out Rose/Hinrich. Larger and better defensively.

Mia isn't the blueprint, as had been brought up countless times, as they have two of the top 5 perimeter defenders in the game, along the lines of Pippen/MJ. Are you implying we have similar wing defenders to Lerbron/Wade, plus Chalmers? I mean, you failed to point out the difference in roster construction so I can only guess you don't see the difference and think because Mia doesn't have great size downlow that we somehow compare, yet it's been stated numerous times it works for them because of their size and defense on the wings.

OKC? Perkins/Ibaka/Collison don't count as have size and defensive minded players? Again, who's our equivalent? Nevermind that KD is a damn good defender and pretty big for a SF, they have a legit size SG defensive role player in Sefalosha and a large, very good defensive PG in Westbook.

You can also sit here and say that Kobe/Artest were more important than Gasol/Bynum, but they aren't getting close to a ring without them. That size pounded opponents inside. The SG and SF were nowhere near more important to Mem than Gasol/Randolph. They had their deepest playoff run two years ago when Gay was in street clothes. Conley/Allen obviously aren't undersized either, and one is a lockdown defender.

I don't know, your posts comes off as disingenuous since I know you watch a fair amount of basketball and obviously understand Carolija's point, yet try to trivialize it with points that aren't rooted in fact, in any way.

How about this. Since you don't think size is important and even seem to have an attitude against those who do think it is, how about you name all the playoff teams who've had success in the current era with three out of four in their backcourt rotation being undersized, to the point IT/Brooks/MT are, and at the same time on that same roster, if JT/Cuz are our supposed starters, don't have a single backup big who is over 6'9", and only one backup big who is over 6'6"?

If it's just defense, defense, defense, as you flippantly imply, show all the teams that had success on that end who meet the above size requirements. If you can't, and at the same time don't think Smart is the defensive equivalent of a Brooks or Thibs, two coaches we interviewed as passed on, Thibs twice actually, two years apart, then you might understand why some of us don't blindly follow your viewpoint.
 
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The thing is I don't even consider the point arguable, and really wish people would quit trying to argue it, but in the end it is what it is and you have to look to the players to try to overcome not only their own coach, but their own management. 1000 threads about it won't change it. Meanwhile the Maloofs are broke, and who knows how long they can hoold on, Geoff is getting old, and will hang them up sooner or later, and Smart has a career coaching record of 65-116 and despite what I have no doubt is his ability to wow the Maloofs with his verbosity and ability to blow smoke up their asses, if he doesn't do better than he has he won't last either (although I could almost see him talking his way into a Gary St. Jean type tenure). Point is that the situation will resolve sooner or later. People will either do better, or they'll retire/be fired/go to the poorhouse. this discussion being had over and over and over around here isn't going to speed or slow the process any.
 
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Hasheem Thabeet anyone? Whiteside and Greene? All three are tall and not very good NBA players.

Oh and how many 7 footers are on the Miami Heat that play significant minutes? Zero!

How tall is the starting center for OKC? Kendrick Perkins claims to be 6' 10" but looks closer to 6' 8". Perkins is as tough as nails though!

While being tall helps as does having the physical tools there is so much more to Basketball. At some point whats in your mind and in your heart is what makes the difference.

KB


OK, I answered them myself:)

KB
 
Don't get me wrong I would love to have taller players on the team I root for all else being equal. My point is that being tall is only one factor in what makes a player good. A player like Kendrick Perkins gets so little respect because what he brings is not reflected in stats. The Celtics were not as good after he left and OKC was better when he got there.

KB
 
So what is your point? Size wins NBA games? As those before me here have said, the Heat, Thunder and Bulls would beg to differ. Teams with two 7-footers (Lakers, Grizz, etc) may have gotten to the playoffs but seems to me it was their SG and SF who more responsible. Hmm, so you think size wins games! I always thought it was.defense, defense and defense.

WTF?! I am not sure if you are serious or simply taking the pee?!

Lets remove Heat from the discussion because Sacramento will NEVER have James, Wade and Bosh equivalent on the roster at the same time! Not many teams can or will! So rather than focus on the exceptions, lets look at the rule!

If you don't think that Thunder and Bulls are not big teams then I am just speechless! Both are amongst the tallest teams in the NBA!

Thunder's starting 5 has 3 players that are 6'10", a SG that is 6'7" and a PG that is 6'3". Their big men rotation consisted of 4 players 6'10" or over!

And let's not even go with Chcago who are actually taller than Thunder! Basketball is a game where size matters but I love it how people bring up Thabeet and Whiteside and such as their counter argument which makes absolutely no sense! I could bring up the likes of Douby and Jetter and it would be just as ridiculous!

So before we bring up ridiculous exceptions like the Heat, lets actually look at the blueprint! Save for Cousins, when I look at our roster, I see Golden State type roster. So forgive me if I don't like mediocrity or live on blind hope. I am a realist and when I see our roster, I see overall undersized roster. The projected starting 5, outside of PG is actually a breath of fresh air but the bench is midget central.

Take the Heat out of discussion and look at the winners for the past 30 years and tell me how many teams won without genuine size! Even the Jordan and Pippen Bulls had towers down there to at least take up the space if nothing else. They also had some pretty tall rotation players on the perimeter as well.
 
Personally IMO talents >> size and of course if you have both then that would be great and a big advantage.

You guys make as if those team would be where they are just because they have big players...which I think is not true. Their big men can play and it fit their team as a whole.
 
Personally IMO talents >> size and of course if you have both then that would be great and a big advantage.

You guys make as if those team would be where they are just because they have big players...which I think is not true. Their big men can play and it fit their team as a whole.

That is precisely the point! They are big AND skilled! Those teams recruit BIG and SKILLED players. We recruit undersized and skilled. That is the differece between good and bad teams.

There are always excuses on this board but fact is other teams are making moves and they are making the right moves. They realise what it takes to win and they go out and get it. We never do that because we do not place enou importance on important things. There is a reason why Don Nelson has never won a championship despite winning some 1000 odd NBA games yet someone like Popovich and Phil Jackson have bucketloads of them. And before people start saying Tim Duncan and Kobe, Shaq, Jordan Pippen...Rick Carlise won it with Dirk, the same player Nelson had on his roster for years and was a constant pretender despite having more true talent on his team than Carlisle. The difference is that Carlise knows what wins and he recruited less talented players but better fit for his team.

Nelson recruited in the same manner that Kings are currently recruiting. It leads to no where except medioctiry!
 
That is precisely the point! They are big AND skilled! Those teams recruit BIG and SKILLED players. We recruit undersized and skilled. That is the differece between good and bad teams.

There are always excuses on this board but fact is other teams are making moves and they are making the right moves. They realise what it takes to win and they go out and get it. We never do that because we do not place enou importance on important things. There is a reason why Don Nelson has never won a championship despite winning some 1000 odd NBA games yet someone like Popovich and Phil Jackson have bucketloads of them. And before people start saying Tim Duncan and Kobe, Shaq, Jordan Pippen...Rick Carlise won it with Dirk, the same player Nelson had on his roster for years and was a constant pretender despite having more true talent on his team than Carlisle. The difference is that Carlise knows what wins and he recruited less talented players but better fit for his team.

Nelson recruited in the same manner that Kings are currently recruiting. It leads to no where except medioctiry!


Why do you keep talking about "recruiting"? You don't "recruit" the Hall Of Fame players you mention above. In the NBA GREAT players win the championship and those are almost always drafted. Unless its the Lakers who buy them.

OKC was not much until Presti traded for a rather short center named Kendrick Perkins who will bang with anyone. Even though they had all the "tall" guys:)

Nelson who you seem to want to disrespect in every other sentence traded for Chris Weber. Nelson was a very good NBA coach who had a lot of success.

Yep Nelson was pretty good. Sometimes pretty good is as good as it gets.

KB
 
Why do you keep talking about "recruiting"? You don't "recruit" the Hall Of Fame players you mention above. In the NBA GREAT players win the championship and those are almost always drafted. Unless its the Lakers who buy them.

OKC was not much until Presti traded for a rather short center named Kendrick Perkins who will bang with anyone. Even though they had all the "tall" guys:)

Nelson who you seem to want to disrespect in every other sentence traded for Chris Weber. Nelson was a very good NBA coach who had a lot of success.

Yep Nelson was pretty good. Sometimes pretty good is as good as it gets.

KB

He drafted Webber and wanted to make him a center. Young Webb was not amused. Then he lost him by being an *******. What Nelson was was the best judge of little man talent I have ever seen, and its not even close. And the worst judge of big man talent, and its again probably not even close. The irony was that Don Nelson, Nellie, smallball loving Nellie, would ALSO tell you that big guys, big shotblockers, were a huge key. He spent his entire NBA career trying to chase after onr to play for him, but was simply a godawful judge of big man talent and his junkball system neutralized much of what they could bring him anyway. So he loaded up on Alton Lister and Paul Mokeski and Randy Breur and Manute Bol and Les Jepsen and Ralph Sampson and tried to join Ewing and the Knicks and then went to Dallas and grabbed Shawn Bradley and Raef LaFrentz and Erick Dampier and DeSagna Diop, and came back home and then it was Andris Biedrins. Point being people who like to deny the value of height/shotblocking can't even find an ally in the ultimate smallball master. He knew that if you are going to run midgets around on the court in a junked up system you damn well better have somebody back there to cover for them. He just had no ability to evaluate the right somebodies.
 
Why do you keep talking about "recruiting"? You don't "recruit" the Hall Of Fame players you mention above. In the NBA GREAT players win the championship and those are almost always drafted. Unless its the Lakers who buy them.

OKC was not much until Presti traded for a rather short center named Kendrick Perkins who will bang with anyone. Even though they had all the "tall" guys:)

Nelson who you seem to want to disrespect in every other sentence traded for Chris Weber. Nelson was a very good NBA coach who had a lot of success.

Yep Nelson was pretty good. Sometimes pretty good is as good as it gets.

KB

Oh please! Semantics much?!

Heat absolutely recruited 2 of their top 3 players. Other teams get theirs via draft and recruit players that fit. Perkins is listed as 6'10" and that is what I will take it on face value. If you are going to throw out that he is shorter than that then sure, but also be fair in the judgment and say that Thomas Robinson is also shorter than 6'9" and Isaiah is really shorter than 5'10".

Here is the point that you so obviously miss in all this. OKC went out and traded for Perkins because they value that type of player. Not only did they trade for him but they signed him up to a 3 year extension BEFORE the lock out. As other teams were reluctant to extend contracts of their players before the new CBA was agreed to, OKC showed how much they value a player like that by offering him a 3 year extension before the new CBA was agreed upon.

When was the last time Petrie recruited (and there is that word again) a player like Perkins and kept him for longer than a season and a half? Fact is, Perkins is not "skilled" enough for us. We don't value the skills he has which actually translate to winning. We value passing and shooting more than defence and rebounding. That has been the case for a very long time.

OKC goes out an drafts Ibaka and trades for Perkins. They also sign Mohammed and they have just replaced him with Thabeet. Not one of those guys would our organization consider as skilled or someone we should target. If Ibaka could hit a mid range jumper and pass better then we would look at him but as is, we have shown nothing by allergy to this type of player.

Don Nelson has won a bunch of games but has never won the ultimate and he never will because he does not value good big men. You are right, he drafted Webber then pissed him off and drove him out of town after 1 season and has shown inability to get the best out of any big men throughout his coaching career other than Dirk who is not your prototypical big men.

Coaches like Popovich and Jackson know how to get it done so forgive me if I am going to look at those coaches and what they do to get it done as opposed to a coach who has never actually looked like winning it simply because his style and his approach has never work and never will work.
 
He drafted Webber and wanted to make him a center. Young Webb was not amused. Then he lost him by being an *******. What Nelson was was the best judge of little man talent I have ever seen, and its not even close. And the worst judge of big man talent, and its again probably not even close. The irony was that Don Nelson, Nellie, smallball loving Nellie, would ALSO tell you that big guys, big shotblockers, were a huge key. He spent his entire NBA career trying to chase after onr to play for him, but was simply a godawful judge of big man talent and his junkball system neutralized much of what they could bring him anyway. So he loaded up on Alton Lister and Paul Mokeski and Randy Breur and Manute Bol and Les Jepsen and Ralph Sampson and tried to join Ewing and the Knicks and then went to Dallas and grabbed Shawn Bradley and Raef LaFrentz and Erick Dampier and DeSagna Diop, and came back home and then it was Andris Biedrins. Point being people who like to deny the value of height/shotblocking can't even find an ally in the ultimate smallball master. He knew that if you are going to run midgets around on the court in a junked up system you damn well better have somebody back there to cover for them. He just had no ability to evaluate the right somebodies.


Yet he is in the Hall Of Fame as a Coach.

Nuff said,
KB
 
Oh please! Semantics much?!

Heat absolutely recruited 2 of their top 3 players. Other teams get theirs via draft and recruit players that fit. Perkins is listed as 6'10" and that is what I will take it on face value. If you are going to throw out that he is shorter than that then sure, but also be fair in the judgment and say that Thomas Robinson is also shorter than 6'9" and Isaiah is really shorter than 5'10".

Here is the point that you so obviously miss in all this. OKC went out and traded for Perkins because they value that type of player. Not only did they trade for him but they signed him up to a 3 year extension BEFORE the lock out. As other teams were reluctant to extend contracts of their players before the new CBA was agreed to, OKC showed how much they value a player like that by offering him a 3 year extension before the new CBA was agreed upon.

When was the last time Petrie recruited (and there is that word again) a player like Perkins and kept him for longer than a season and a half? Fact is, Perkins is not "skilled" enough for us. We don't value the skills he has which actually translate to winning. We value passing and shooting more than defence and rebounding. That has been the case for a very long time.

OKC goes out an drafts Ibaka and trades for Perkins. They also sign Mohammed and they have just replaced him with Thabeet. Not one of those guys would our organization consider as skilled or someone we should target. If Ibaka could hit a mid range jumper and pass better then we would look at him but as is, we have shown nothing by allergy to this type of player.

Don Nelson has won a bunch of games but has never won the ultimate and he never will because he does not value good big men. You are right, he drafted Webber then pissed him off and drove him out of town after 1 season and has shown inability to get the best out of any big men throughout his coaching career other than Dirk who is not your prototypical big men.

Coaches like Popovich and Jackson know how to get it done so forgive me if I am going to look at those coaches and what they do to get it done as opposed to a coach who has never actually looked like winning it simply because his style and his approach has never work and never will work.

What is your point?

KB
 
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