Artest

[Glenn]

It is unfortunate in some ways that we do not discuss him in any way positive. It is understandable that the negatives are mentioned.

But..

In the same three games where Brad has been a monster, so has Artest. In fact it might easily be said that one guy makes the other guy's job easier. Artest is a remarkable athlete. He has also been behaving fairly well. I'll leave it at that.

 

[SLAB]

Amen.

It's good to see some Artest love in what has become a hostile environment towards the guy.

And I second it.

Keep it up Ron Ron.

 

[creAtivetfh]

This is the whole problem with artest though.

if he played smart every game he could be easily the best two-way player in the league. Like he has played the last 3 games. But when he blows up we get blown out like in the Utah game.

 

[rainmaker]

When ron has success he becomes overconfident and ends up hurting the team in the following games by dominating the ball.

 

[artest93fan]

a another reason he could be doing this good is maybe hes trying to up his value either for the kings to make a trade and get something back or for when he becomes a free agent

 

[Glenn]

So if he does well, it's bad.

 

[Glenn]

a another reason he could be doing this good is maybe hes trying to up his value either for the kings to make a trade and get something back or for when he becomes a free agent

And this is good isn't it?

Seriously, I can't imagine any basketball player playing with the thought in the back of his mind that he wants to increase his value to help the team that presently owns him. His value as a free agent is MLE no matter what he does.

 

[Entity]

Yeah I agree Ron is the driving force behind this run. Brad is doing awesome but, Ron can't be stopped by PF or SF even all-stars. This Ron the one from the last 3 games is a franchise player With great suppor from Brad and Kevin. If I had to pick anybody to be traded right now it would be Bibby.

 

[dude12]

Yeah I agree Ron is the driving force behind this run. Brad is doing awesome but, Ron can't be stopped by PF or SF even all-stars. This Ron the one from the last 3 games is a franchise player With great suppor from Brad and Kevin. If I had to pick anybody to be traded right now it would be Bibby.

Artest is a great talent. I enjoy watching him compete. He certainly makes it easier for his teammates as he is a tough guy to guard. If he's traded to the right team, somebody may get the final piece to their championship season.

 

[nbrans]

I don't know. He's been effective on the court, but I was at the game last night, and he still looks like a lunatic out there. Waving his arms around, talking trash while shooting free throws... he doesn't look all there. He may be playing well, but I'd say the meltdown clock is still ticking.

 

[Glenn]

I don't know. He's been effective on the court, but I was at the game last night, and he still looks like a lunatic out there. Waving his arms around, talking trash while shooting free throws... he doesn't look all there. He may be playing well, but I'd say the meltdown clock is still ticking.

Pardon me but that seems to be a self serving observation. You see what you want to see. There are times when Brad looks like he is going to lose it and he does lose it. Mikki looks like a maniac with his screaming. What does that have to do with anything? I suspect all are blowing of steam in a sport that can get pretty rough.

I would be far more worried if none of those three played without emotion like KT. Is that what you want from Artest? KT dead pan?

I think people are scrutinizing Artest so much that if he had a bad enchilada and had gas, they'd point to it and say, "see, he looks crazy."

Can't even give a King props for playing well. I agree with Ron: it's time to go.

 

[Entity]

I wonder though is it a meltdown. Or is it just a guy with a personality like that. I mean can we expect every player in the NBA to just go about it as a job. Ron is having fun and sometimes thats what you want on your team. Because when its not longer fun is when it truly becomes a job and who wants to go to their job when it isn't fun. I myself have a similar personality. At work I do silly **** as well and ppl look at me crazy. I ask them would they rather I come to work and look as depressed and ill as they do all day. Sometimes we have to get the fact that this is Rons life not just for our entertainment. Let him have fun.

 

[SLAB]

When Mikki does it, it is because he's 'passionate' and loves the game so much.

When Ron does it, it obviously shows his internal bomb is games away from an apparent inevitable meltdown.

 

[nbrans]

Pardon me but that seems to be a self serving observation. You see what you want to see. There are times when Brad looks like he is going to lose it and he does lose it. Mikki looks like a maniac with his screaming. What does that have to do with anything? I suspect all are blowing of steam in a sport that can get pretty rough.

I would be far more worried if none of those three played without emotion like KT. Is that what you want from Artest? KT dead pan?

I think people are scrutinizing Artest so much that if he had a bad enchilada and had gas, they'd point to it and say, "see, he looks crazy."

Can't even give a King props for playing well. I agree with Ron: it's time to go.

A self-serving observation? Look, even if I wanted Artest gone, for the sake of his trade value wouldn't I prefer that he look like a sane Cub Scout while playing well than someone who looks increasingly unhinged?

And yeah, Miller and Mikki have their meltdowns -- but pardon me if their history has not involved smashing cameras, trade demands and oh yeah, one venture into the stands in Detroit that nearly started a riot.

I'm just calling it like I see it. Artest always looks a little off, but last night I saw someone who is just not right in the head, even by his own quirky standards. If you have a different observation good for you, but that's how I saw it. Sure, he's playing well -- props on a message board to Artest! -- but something is not right in his head these days. If an idiot like Sam Smith can see it, surely I'm not the only one that feels this way.

 

[Glenn]

A self-serving observation? Look, even if I wanted Artest gone, for the sake of his trade value wouldn't I prefer that he look like a sane Cub Scout while playing well than someone who looks increasingly unhinged?

And yeah, Miller and Mikki have their meltdowns -- but pardon me if their history has not involved smashing cameras, trade demands and oh yeah, one venture into the stands in Detroit that nearly started a riot.

I'm just calling it like I see it. Artest always looks a little off, but last night I saw someone who is just not right in the head, even by his own quirky standards. If you have a different observation good for you, but that's how I saw it. Sure, he's playing well -- props on a message board to Artest! -- but something is not right in his head these days. If an idiot like Sam Smith can see it, surely I'm not the only one that feels this way.

I have already said what I think is putting excess stress on Ron at this time but it is too upsetting to discuss on this forum, I guess. So I've been told.

 

[Entity]

When Mikki does it, it is because he's 'passionate' and loves the game so much.

When Ron does it, it obviously shows his internal bomb is games away from an apparent inevitable meltdown.

Same way with Joakim Noah. Ppl talk about his arguments and outlashes at coaches and players and they come after that and say its becasue he wants to win and how he is frustrated because they aren't winning and wants it to change. Now Ron says something to Theus and/or another player and he gets a column worte about him and instead of it being his passion for winning its he is about to blow up and destroy the team or something. its all relative bull****. Rons success is not a story. The only story the writers think the readers want is drama.

When Ron has a good game the column starts like this. "The mericural Ron Artest scores 26 points in a Kings win."

 

[Entity]

I have already said what I think is putting excess stress on Ron at this time but it is too upsetting to discuss on this forum, I guess. So I've been told.

Oh your right I forgot about the situation with his daughter battling cancer. As do the writers who just want a "Ron is crazy" story. Good point Glenn shows how that is not in the news about Ron as I forgot about it and I am on here everyday and watch every game.

 

[NikateeN]

My problem with Artest is not the way he acts on the floor, or even behind the scenes, but the way hes so inconsistent, the last 3 games have been fabolous and i thank him for it, but whats going to happen the next 3? Thats what im always thinking with him, "good game Artest, but what am i going to get next game?", if he was consistent he could be the best player on this team hands down.

 

[midtowner]

100%

The anti-Ron movement in Sacramento needs to stop. For all his faults, he gives it 100% every night (not the cliche, but plays as hard as he can). Besides KG, it is hard for me to name one other player in the NBA who plays 100%.

He seems like a very genuine person and I never feel like he is acting out to try to benefit himself over the team (like T.O.). I think his biggest problem is that he is on a team without a true leader. I think he needs to play Dennis Rodman to someones MJ.

I am ok with trading him because I don't think that Theus can coach him without more leadership in the locker room. But putting everything that is bad with the Kings on Ron is just not fair.

 

[GoGoGadget]

When Mikki does it, it is because he's 'passionate' and loves the game so much.

When Ron does it, it obviously shows his internal bomb is games away from an apparent inevitable meltdown.

When Mikki Moore charges the stands and starts smacking the paying audience, then maybe he and Ron Artest will be judged on the same anger scale.

 

[Gary]

When ron has success he becomes overconfident and ends up hurting the team in the following games by dominating the ball.

LOL that's what we were saying last night..

"OH SHOOT! Ron hit a three that means he's going to start taking every shot he gets."

Ron has been playing OK, but he still thinks he the #1 option in the team, and sometimes that can hurt us especially when we are passing the ball well. Reason is because Ron is a 1v1 player, and not a great team player. With his talent though I really wish he was.

 

[Bibby_10]

When Mikki Moore charges the stands and starts smacking the paying audience, then maybe he and Ron Artest will be judged on the same anger scale.

And that will happen as soon as some jacka$$ of a fan throws a cup of beer on Mikki.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I wouldn't bet on that.

While it certainly hasn't been seen in some time (almost certainly before your time), Artest isn't the first player to have a beer or some other object thrown at him. I'm fairly certain that he's the first player to rush the stands and hit somebody.

 

[Glenn]

I wouldn't bet on that.

While it certainly hasn't been seen in some time (almost certainly before your time), Artest isn't the first player to have a beer or some other object thrown at him. I'm fairly certain that he's the first player to rush the stands and hit somebody.

What year was Artest's last on court violent blow up?

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

2004. Are you arguing that what happens off-court is of no consequence?

 

[Entity]

Why in the **** are you arguing over what might happen. Hell Kevin Martin MIGHT flip out and kill a fan or something. If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we would all have a Merry Christmas. It is ignorant to worry about what could happen.


you want to talk about Ron Could go crazy again. But to say the Kings COULD win the championship this year is obsurd in the eyes of most of the same ppl.

 

[Glenn]

2004. Are you arguing that what happens off-court is of no consequence?

Well, if we start getting into off court activities, most of which is never known by the public, we will find Artest isn't unique. I think on court activities are far more harmful to the team than spats with the wife or in the case of others, bullets fired randomly and bar room battles. Even a manslaughter.

Artest has a target on his back and deservedly so. Just the same, I'll bet he gets punished worse than if things happened to Bibby and will get a technical for things that Brad gets away with. Maybe that makes him a bad guy for the team but it is getting beyond the point where it is totally in his control.

My major point is why he doesn't get props. Has he lost that honor? Hasn't he helped the Kings on this 4 game win streak? You tell me. I'd love to hear an opinion about Artest's on court recent contributions to this team from you.

 

[Fresno King]

-Artest is playing great and unfortunately will always have a bulls-eye on his back from a refs standpoint. That double technical and ejection in Utah was bull****.
-He still needs to be traded because he's going to walk after the season. If Petrie doesn't trade him, we won't get anything for him.
-If we didn't have John Salmons, I'd say keep Artest, roll the dice and try to make a playoff run. I think Salmons is 20/10 material. Then again, we could trade Artest and make a playoff run anyway, because Salmons isn't much of a dropoff.
-The offense is sometimes stagnant when Artest decides to take matters into his own hands. It's one of Artest's biggest flaws.
-The other flaw is his "unique" behavior. I'm not talking about the malice at the Palace, either. Yelling to the crowd on the road? Yelling at Theus? Yelling at Bibby? The guy sometimes thinks he's a combination of player/coach/owner, and THAT'S the main reason why he has to go.
-We'd be a better all-around team without him, IMHO. Chemistry is SO important. The player or players we could get for him could make the Kings just as tough.

 

[Kingzrool]

Ron plays 100%. He is the best player on the Kings and if he keeps this up, GP may actually be able to get something for him. Ron is a truly unique player in good and bad ways. If he still wanted to be a King, I would argue to the bitter end for him. Seems that he is ready to go.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Well, if we start getting into off court activities, most of which is never known by the public, we will find Artest isn't unique.

I do not think that it is unique that Artest has been involved in off-the-court trouble. What I do think is unique is that many Kings Fans, in my opinion, want to defend Artest beyond what I consider to be in good reason, because of his talent. It's not uncommon for players to **** up; what is uncommon is for fans to keep giving guys like that an unlimited number of chances. I'll bet you don't hear anybody talking about how Jamaal Tinsley isn't really that bad. I expect owners and GM's to keep giving players like that unlimited chances, because they're looking at dollar signs, or whatever, but I guess I hold myself to a higher standard.

My major point is why he doesn't get props. Has he lost that honor?

He has with me.

I'd love to hear an opinion about Artest's on court recent contributions to this team from you.

My opinion is that Artest is a me-first player that impedes the Kings' team concept. I think that he kills the offense and that, in some ways, the team wins almost in spite of him. I think that he's a detriment, and I want him gone. Although, to be fair, I want Bibby, Thomas and Abdur-Rahim gone, too. As a matter of fact, his recent resurgence notwithstanding, I'll go on record as saying I still want Miller gone, too.