Artest & K9 for ? (merged)

jcassio

jcassio

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Like many of you, I don't necesarily want to throw out the Artest experiment just yet. But if he truly wants out of Sacramento, I say let's accommodate him. But for Corey Maggette? Another swingman-type player?

What if we start Salmons at small forward and package Artest and Kenny Thomas? Could we get a major power forward or PF/center who can block shots and rebound? Who?
 
jcassio said:
Like many of you, I don't necesarily want to throw out the Artest experiment just yet. But if he truly wants out of Sacramento, I say let's accommodate him. But for Corey Maggette? Another swingman-type player?

What if we start Salmons at small forward and package Artest and Kenny Thomas? Could we get a major power forward or PF/center who can block shots and rebound? Who?
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We cannot expect to get much for Artest and K9, but Artest and SAR is another story. I like what I see from Corey, but Salmons and him are very similar in that they are a little small to play SF, but are very rounded and can play 1-3 spots due to their athletism and size. I'd like Corey, but I really don't want to give up Ron, I just don't know what is going on with him and how many of the rumors are true. He is becoming a big liability on the offensive end and our offense is stagnant with him and does good when he is off the floor and Salmons is in and distributing. I think the team sees this, are scared of Ron blowing his top again, and can see the writing on the wall and are trying to move him before things get really bad.

If Bibby opts out or in some way is not on the Kings in the near future, I'd like to see a Salmons PG, Martin SG, Maggette SF lineup, this sure would be fun to watch as they are all very dynamic, but we need to do something with our bench because it is great now being able to bring in Salmons for the 1-3 spots now, but could start long term if needed. I like Bibby, but the guy is making more than he is worth and PGs are easy or easier to come by then a big so I'm all for developing a young PG like Price and Douby and letting Bibby walk or trade him. Price and Douby however are SGs that we are hoping that we can make into combo guards, primarily move into a distributer PG role.
 
Troy said:
We cannot expect to get much for Artest and K9, but Artest and SAR is another story.
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But if we trade SAR (along with Artest) in order to get a solid PF, then that PF had better have a post-up game as well as be a great shotblocker & rebounder. Cause otherwise Williamson would be the only King left who can score down low (other than put-backs). I suppose Taylor... nah, let's not count on that!

I agree with you that it would be exciting (or at least interesting) to see a Salmons/Martin/Maggette lineup. But if I'm the opposing coach, I'm going to press these guys every time they try to bring the ball up the court until they prove that's not their weakness.

When Bibby was outdueling Nash (a few years ago), I would never have thought that he'd be anything but a starting PG. But now I am beginning to think he might be more effective as a Vinny Johnson-type, coming in off the bench to score points in a hurry. Similar to the way Van Excel was used in the second half of his career.
 
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It's been a while, but what do you guys think of this:

Sacramento trades SF Ron Artest, PF Kenny Thomas, PG Ronnie Price to New Jersey for SF Richard Jefferson, C Mikki Moore, SG Eddie House, and 2006 First Rounder.

SAC becomes:
C- Miller
PF- Abdur-Rahim
SF- Jefferson
PG- Bibby
SG- Martin
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6th- Salmons, SG/PG
7th- Moore, C
8th- Williamson, SF
9th- Garcia, SF
10th- House, SG
11th- Potapenko, C
12th- Hart, PG
IR- Taylor

NJ Becomes:
C- Collins
PF- Thomas
SF- Artest
PG- Kidd
SG- Carter
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6th- Boone, PF
7th- McInnis, PG
8th- Nachbar, SF/PF
9th- Wright, SF
10th- Ilic, C
11th- Adams, SF
12th- Williams, PG
IR- Krstic, FC
IR- Price, PG
IR- Robinson, PF


NJ does it to get depth, defense, and rebounds, as well as change the shape. Ron goes back to his "roots", plays with premier PG that might be able to shut him up and force him to play. Thomas gets to immediately start with Krstic out, and add to the defense and rebounding they sorely lack at the moment.

SAC gets a shake-up they seem to need, a possibly great draft pick in this years draft, a nice, steady, SF in Jefferson, an interior-presence C in Moore, and a bench scorer with 3-point range in House.


Thoughts?

SIDE NOTE: Isn't NJ Assistant Bill Cartwright one of Artest's true allies in the game? That could be a crucial point...
 
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It's certainly worth looking into -- but the question raised in today's paper is whether the Kings actually want to trade Artest.

If they do, Jefferson would be a worthy replacement. House could be a help; Moore's not much more than a third-string center, although he's been starting for the Nets, who lost Krstic for the season. The Nets might do it because Artest would help them escape the Knicks' glare. I've read reports that the Nets are considering doing some remodeling. They might want some more size and/or expiring contracts (Hello, Mr. Potapenko!).
 
I'd think very seriously about pulling the trigger on this deal. And hope the soap opera would finally be over.
 
I'm not a fan of Jefferson's contract. That thing is big and bloated and he's redundant for the Kings. The Kings need an interior presence not another wing player. The Bibby/Martin backcourt is good enough for now. The lack of a solid defensive presence in the middle is pretty evident and trading for RJ isn't the answer. Doing that would also create major salary cap issues.
 
Jefferson's contract is horrendous and his recent healthy history isn't much better. He's also a very "me-first" type of player that thinks of himself more highly than most NBA guys. Not a good deal for the Kings on a lot fronts.
 
thedofd said:
You think he's worse than Artest, personality wise?
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No, I don't. However, he is a very conceted player that I don't think we need, especially with his bloated contract that lasts for like 5+ more years. The only type of player with that type of contract that would be worth taking on would be a low post big man that has a better health history than RJ.
 
I think Artest+Thomas for Jefferson+McInnis+07 1st round pick would be a good deal for both sides.
 
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hearns said:
I think Artest+Thomas for Jefferson+McInnis+06 1st round pick would be a good deal for both sides.
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That deal I like because New Jersey gets a rebounder (which they need more than us) and the best perimeter defender in the game (my opinion) where we get a decent defender in return, an explosive scorer, and a lottery pick, and a decent pg. Then we can ship a package (Hart/Taylor/Potapenko) to Miami for Simien and Quinn.
 
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Gien Ron's nuttiness, if we don't trade him for picks/kids, which I continue to say we should, then theese types of deals for very good but not great SFs such as Maggette, Jeffereson etc. are probably about as good as you are going to get. Basically have acquired him for a Peja level talent, and trade him back away for one. You lose the talent burst we had with him here, lose the impact guy for just another 2nd fiddle. But maintain a lower echelon "n ame" type star player capable of nabbing 20ppg when healthy. I say we should ignore that and try to use Ron to get us an extra shot at nabbing a true impact player in the draft. But if we don't, then Ron's talent minus Ron's nuttiness roughly equals Maggette/Jefferson/Lewis/Peja etc.
 
BMiller52 said:
You mean 2007 first round pick?
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No, he means 2006. This way we get to pick someone already in the NBA so we know if they cut it or not. :p

j/k Bwahahahaha!!


The more I think about this trade idea, the more I think it would have real possiblities. I would like another 1st round pick too.
 
Unfortunately they are in desperate need of more bigs, not less. Besides, Kristic is butter soft. But in any case, all academic now.
 
Artest and KT for Pau Gasol

During this whole week of Magette for Artest chatter I kept thinking that there must be a better scenario of an Artest trade that wold actually fill a hole for the Kings. Artest might be injured now, but the recent play of similar wing players, combined with the effectiveness of the Zone defense that Muss has implemented make him a movable piece.

I would love a trade consisting of Ron and Kenny for Pau Gasol. The Grizzlies have been horrible even with him, and have been very public about the new owners (the Duke boys) wanting to cut costs in the near future.

Jerry West has been very dissapointed and in the news conference about the firing of Mike Fratello he repeated again and again that going into the year he expected his team to win 40+ games this season, and with his veteran club (Mike Miller/Eddie Jones/Damon Stoudemire/Chucky Atkins/Stomile Swift/Gasol/Cardinal) and 2 great young players in Warrick and Gay expected to contend and win this season, even after hearing about Pau's injury.

They have a decent back court, but they lack defensive presence at the 3 (and 4 when Pa was out. They could use the instant defensive presence of both Artest and Thomas, while the Kings could land a borderline All Star, stable personality, great shot blocker/Rebounder/Post Scorer in Gasol.

Kings Trade:
Ron Artest (06) 14.9ppg 6.8rpg 3.0apg .73bpg .377FG% .745FT%
(Career) 14.8ppg 4.9rpg 3.1apg .6bpg 2.1spg .414FG% .718FT%
Kenny Thomas (06) 6.0ppg 7.7rpg 1.5apg .46bpg 489FG% .500FT%
(Career) 10.4ppg 7.4rpg 1.7apg .4bpg .9spg .465FG% .706FT%

Grizzlies Trade:
Pau Gasol (06) 17.1ppg 4.8rpg 2.2apg 1.3bpg .583FG% .745FT%
(Career) 18.5ppg 8.3rpg 3.0apg 1.8bpg .5spg .506FG% .720FG%

King lose steals
Kings gain blocks/better FG%/Young Tall Stud

Money Math
Ron Artest $7.15 Million (2 years $14.95 Million owed)(27 years old)
(3rd year $8.45 Million Player Option)
Kenny Thomas $6.72 Million (4 years $30.55 Million owed)(29 years old)

Pau Gasol $12.34 Million (5 years $75.40 Million owed)(26 years old)

Kings Lineup

Mike Bibby
Kevin Martin
John Salmons
Pau Gasol
Brad Miller

Bench

Ronnie Price
Quincy Douby
Francisco Garcia
Corliss Williamson
Shareef Abdur-Rahim

Maurice Taylor
Vitaly Potapenko


Grizzlies Lineup

Chucky Atkins
Rudy Gay
Ron Artest
Hakim Warrick
Stomile Swift

Bench
Damon Stoudemire
Mike Miller
Brian Cardinal
Kenny Thomas
Jake Tsakalidis
 
yes
but, you gotta ask both ends of the stick
Memphis wouldnt do it. Kenny's contract runs on way too long and they already have a Kenny thomas like player in alexander johnson who is only going to get better...
although artest will probably satisfy them, you would have throw expirings in there in order for the Grizzlies to sign someone of high caliber during the off season
 
KMart23 said:
give me pre knee injury krstic, mcinnis and their 1st round pick and you can have artest + thomas
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I might do that for the pick, but Krstic makes Miller look like a high jumper. I've seen him on numerous occasions receive passes from Kidd, for what should be easy baskets for a seven footer, but he just can't finish because of his lack of athleticism. We need more athleticism up front, not less. He would be good in a more structured half-court offense, but that's not us.

As far as Gasol, you'll need to offer them Martin, or picks/youth and expirings. They'd have no use for Artest and Thomas, since they'd be rebuilding.
 
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