Artest for Bynum

[Stroms]

Since this is the area to propose any deal imaginable under the sun, what do you think of this deal?

Sacramento Kings Trade Breakdown
Outgoing to Lakers

Ron Artest
6-7 SF from St. John's

Incoming from Lakers

Vladimir Radmanovic
6-10 PF from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign)

Andrew Bynum
7-0 C from St. Joseph (HS)

Laker's Reasons

With the Jermaine O'neal talks stalling maybe the Lakers look somewhere else to please Kobe. This way they don't have to lose Bynum and Odom. Phil Jackson's ego thinks he can handle Artest (see Dennis Rodman) and they get to unload Radmonivic who's been a disaster for them.

King's Reasons

Of course Bynum gives the Kings a young big man and they call an end to the Artest experiment. I'd be a hesitant to take on Vlad's contract, but you can't expect to get something for nothing. Danger of helping a division rival, but hope of a destroying a division rival.

 

[VF21]

I'd do it in a heartbeat but I strongly doubt you're going to find any takers in the Lakers. (Hey, that rhymed...)

 

[Stroms]

Yeah, I agree with you unless they get desperate to do something to make Kobe happy.

 

[Smills91]

I think it's equitable for both teams...however, I think BOTH teams benefit even MORE if it were Bynum/Brown for Artest/Salmons.

Kings get a young big and a nice expiring. The Lakers get two starters at the PG - Salmons(ideal triangle point) and at SF - Artest...

Lakers can sign Jamaal Magloire with MLE and re-sign Mihm and draft a big at #19 to fill out their frontcourt.

C: Magloire
PF: Odom
SF: Artest
SG: Kobe
PG: Salmons

That's a competitive team next year.

 

[VF21]

Yeah, I agree with you unless they get desperate to do something to make Kobe happy.

I agree. If they're desperate enough, then they might do this to keep the superstar happy. And it certainly could help them... as long as they can live with the blasted ticking.

 

[Merdiesel]

I think it's equitable for both teams...however, I think BOTH teams benefit even MORE if it were Bynum/Brown for Artest/Salmons.

Kings get a young big and a nice expiring. The Lakers get two starters at the PG - Salmons(ideal triangle point) and at SF - Artest...

Lakers can sign Jamaal Magloire with MLE and re-sign Mihm and draft a big at #19 to fill out their frontcourt.

C: Magloire
PF: Odom
SF: Artest
SG: Kobe
PG: Salmons

That's a competitive team next year.

Jesus! What team are we trying to make better here again???

 

[SkinnerBox]

I'm for it, and the Lakers might bite. They also may be thinking that Kobe is the one player that Artest will defer to on the court.

I also don't care if it makes them better for now. By the time we get good again, they'll be back on the downslope with that roster. We can have another rivalry, it will be fun.

 

[chrisnu]

If the Lakers can't get a big man like O'Neal or Gasol, I think they may consider this. Kobe mentioned that Artest wanted to come to LA in the past, and Radmanovic has both an awful contract, and has been in the doghouse since the snowboarding incident (and I think they should have rightly voided his contract when they had the chance). There's no way in hell they give up both Bynum and Brown for Artest, even if another player is involved in the deal.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Yeah, I agree with you unless they get desperate to do something to make Kobe happy.

They'll never get that desperate. They'll trade Kobe before they get that desperate.

 

[Stroms]

They'll never get that desperate. They'll trade Kobe before they get that desperate.

I actually think the idea of losing Kobe will make them this desperate. L.A. is a city in which a sports franchise can become irrelevant (i.e. no NFL teams). Even the Lakers. If they lose Kobe, do you think anyone's going to shell out big money to see Odom, Farmar & Bynum? Also, Buss does not want to be play 2nd fiddle to the Clippers.

 

[Bibby_10]

I guess I'm the only one that thinks this is a bad trade. Well, I am bias towards Artest. Honestly though I don’t think Bynum is going to be this great player people have envisioned him to be. Plus RAD is a poor mans Peja and I couldn’t stand Peja.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Come on people, you're forgetting that the lakers are very high on Bynum and they're not going to give him up for anything less than a star player. They're reluctant to give him up for Jermaine O'Neal right now, so why the hell would they give him up for Artest? They're not going to make this deal no matter what Kobe says or does.

 

[Stroms]

Come on people, you're forgetting that the lakers are very high on Bynum and they're not going to give him up for anything less than a star player. They're reluctant to give him up for Jermaine O'Neal right now, so why the hell would they give him up for Artest? They're not going to make this deal no matter what Kobe says or does.

Actually, the reports are that they are reluctant to give up both Bynum and Odom for O'Neal. If Indiana wants just Bynum and Kwame's expiring, the deal will be done.

 

[rhythmless]

actually, theyre not reluctant to give up bynum for oneal, theyre reluctant to give up bynum AND odom. hell, id be reluctnat too. i think they underrate odom as the glue of this team. he rebounds, he posts up, he drives, hes the primary passer, he does everything kobe doesnt do, and he never says one thing about it.

i think the gist of this trade works for both teams. a trio of kobe, artest, and odom would be amazing. kobe doesnt need to take the best perimeter player now. with phil and kobes egos, its enough to keep artest in check. plus, imagine what la would do to his rap career.

skinner, im on your side. kobes got 4 years left at this level, and odoms always had health issues. give em a chance for something while we develop into a west force. cant forget about the big picture. in 4 years, nash is 37, dirk is 33, kobes 33, tmac will be 32 (with a 50 year olds back)

DO it.

 

[Warhawk]

I agree. If they're desperate enough, then they might do this to keep the superstar happy. And it certainly could help them... as long as they can live with the blasted ticking.

Uh, our little secret, remember, VF? Ixnay on the ickingta. Maybe they don't know about that yet....

 

[Vlade4GM]

Actually, the reports are that they are reluctant to give up both Bynum and Odom for O'Neal. If Indiana wants just Bynum and Kwame's expiring, the deal will be done.

I'm sure they'd be fine with that, but what I'm hearing is that they are pushing more for Indiana to take an Odom package.

 

[sdballer]

While I like Bynums potential, Radman is way to expensive to justify bringing him on. I'd rather let Artest walk for nothing of trade him for draft choices than tack on another unjustified contract.

 

[Vlade4GM]

actually, theyre not reluctant to give up bynum for oneal, theyre reluctant to give up bynum AND odom. hell, id be reluctnat too. i think they underrate odom as the glue of this team. he rebounds, he posts up, he drives, hes the primary passer, he does everything kobe doesnt do, and he never says one thing about it.

i think the gist of this trade works for both teams. a trio of kobe, artest, and odom would be amazing. kobe doesnt need to take the best perimeter player now. with phil and kobes egos, its enough to keep artest in check. plus, imagine what la would do to his rap career.

skinner, im on your side. kobes got 4 years left at this level, and odoms always had health issues. give em a chance for something while we develop into a west force. cant forget about the big picture. in 4 years, nash is 37, dirk is 33, kobes 33, tmac will be 32 (with a 50 year olds back)

DO it.

Lamar actually doesn't mesh well with Kobe, he refuses to post up on a consistent basis and he can't score without the ball which doesn't bode well with Kobe since he needs the ball as well. Lamar will never be a good enough 2nd option with Kobe. He's a good no.3 player with Kobe, but not a no.2.

Anyways, Bynum is their most prized trade asset and they're not going to give him up for anything short of a perennial all-star which Artest is not. This trade will not happen ever, no matter what Kobe does. They could do a lot better for Bynum.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Heck trading Argtest to LA is the ultimate poision pill. The man created drama in Indiana in LA we are talking catastrophy!

 

[Bricklayer]

Perhaps, but Artest to the Lakers makes me nervous because of the coach there, and the not out of the question nightmare of having Kobe and Artest roll through town every year for the next half decade gleefully kicking the crap out of weak little selves.

As an aside -- Mitch Kupchak really is roughly as idiotic as Kobe thinks he is. Heard some rumor that he was balking at Jermains and Troy Murphy for Odom/Bynum, and I'm thinking given the circumstances, why? Do the bleeping deal. Keep Kwame, resign Mihm off the injured list, and start a huge and deep frontline of Jermaine + Murphy backed up by Brown and Mihm. Then take Vlad's contract, sweeten it with local golden boy Farmar, and go shopping for a Phil type PG. Maybe go to Minnesota and take Jaric off their hands as a perfect Phil Jackson Ron Harperesque PG.

Voila!

 

[Stroms]

Perhaps, but Artest to the Lakers makes me nervous because of the coach there, and the not out of the question nightmare of having Kobe and Artest roll through town every year for the next half decade gleefully kicking the crap out of weak little selves.

I think a half decade of Kobe/Artest co-existing is pushing it quite a bit. I could see them having a honeymoon period of a 1+ yrs. If they haven't won an unlikely title by then, KA-BOOOOM!!

 

[Smills91]

Jesus! What team are we trying to make better here again???

Our's we just added another nice young player who happens to be a big and then added another 8-10 million of salary releif in Kwame to help the rebuild. We can use the #10 to draft a Jeff Green/Julian Wright/Thaddeus Wright type to replace Artest.

 

[rhythmless]

u gotta remember, that bynum is probably at his most tradable right now, barring a leap into all stardom. i believe that the reason hes been making such progress is because of kareem. you trade for him, u aint gettin KAJ. if you take a look at his footwork in the post when he takes his time, its all because of kareem

 

[ParniValjak]

I'd do it!

 

[chrisnu]

As an aside -- Mitch Kupchak really is roughly as idiotic as Kobe thinks he is. Heard some rumor that he was balking at Jermains and Troy Murphy for Odom/Bynum, and I'm thinking given the circumstances, why? Do the bleeping deal. Keep Kwame, resign Mihm off the injured list, and start a huge and deep frontline of Jermaine + Murphy backed up by Brown and Mihm. Then take Vlad's contract, sweeten it with local golden boy Farmar, and go shopping for a Phil type PG. Maybe go to Minnesota and take Jaric off their hands as a perfect Phil Jackson Ron Harperesque PG.

Voila!

Murphy is contract poison. Mullin was a genius (and Bird enough of a sap) to unload both Murphy and Dunleavy's contracts on the Pacers. Jaric is also a horrible contract, for the level of player he is. The Lakers would be in salary cap hell for years.

Someone who not only makes less money and is a better player than Jaric, but would also fit the "big guard" mold better: Josh Childress.

 

[Bricklayer]

Murphy is contract poison. Mullin was a genius (and Bird enough of a sap) to unload both Murphy and Dunleavy's contracts on the Pacers. Jaric is also a horrible contract, for the level of player he is. The Lakers would be in salary cap hell for years.

Someone who not only makes less money and is a better player than Jaric, but would also fit the "big guard" mold better: Josh Childress.

the Lakers would be winning big for years as well. Not a title I think. But you have to know the coach. Bad contracts are all relative. If a coach can use a guy effectively, then the contract isn't so bad. If Jaric can run a steady PJ point, hit spot up threes, and be a versatile defender, then he is worth his contract to the Lakers. Same player is not worth it to another team needing him to be more. Murphy is similar, less ideally suited, but a guy who could play an effective shooting/rebounding role on the proposed deep frontcourt

My bigger question would just be that O'Nela nd Myrphy toether earn about $27 mil, Odom and Bynum together about $16mil. So who that would be balanced would be the real question. Dumping Vlad's contract as well? = probably a good thing. Haivng to throw in yet more of the frontcourt or Walton? = no work. All in all the Lakers would be better off getting Jermaine for Bynum/Odom than they would be giving up more useful pieces for Murphy.

P.S. And Josh Childress cannot run the point. That is the critical difference. Nor is he much of a three point shooter. Again, have to know the coach/system. Its like our old Princeton. The ideal personnel for PJs version of the triangle are not just the same as they are for evey other team.

 

[ParniValjak]

the Lakers would be winning big for years as well. Not a title I think. But you have to know the coach. Bad contracts are all relative. If a coach can use a guy effectively, then the contract isn't so bad. If Jaric can run a steady PJ point, hit spot up threes, and be a versatile defender, then he is worth his contract to the Lakers. Same player is not worth it to another team needing him to be more. Murphy is similar, less ideally suited, but a guy who could play an effective shooting/rebounding role on the proposed deep frontcourt

My bigger question would just be that O'Nela nd Myrphy toether earn about $27 mil, Odom and Bynum together about $16mil. So who that would be balanced would be the real question. Dumping Vlad's contract as well? = probably a good thing. Haivng to throw in yet more of the frontcourt or Walton? = no work. All in all the Lakers would be better off getting Jermaine for Bynum/Odom than they would be giving up more useful pieces for Murphy.

P.S. And Josh Childress cannot run the point. That is the critical difference. Nor is he much of a three point shooter. Again, have to know the coach/system. Its like our old Princeton. The ideal personnel for PJs version of the triangle are not just the same as they are for evey other team.

The other player that is included in that deal is Brown. So its Bynum, Odom and Brown (plus possibly pick 19) for O'Neal and Murphy.

 

[uptempo-kings]

I guess I'm the only one that thinks this is a bad trade. Well, I am bias towards Artest. Honestly though I don’t think Bynum is going to be this great player people have envisioned him to be. Plus RAD is a poor mans Peja and I couldn’t stand Peja.

hey man i agree with you artest has proven he can be a stud, when he is in the right situation, and I too believe bynum will be a bust just like kwame, this guy hasn't done anything special to recieve this great big man title, hes soft gets rebounds off smaller C's slow to the basket subpar post moves if you can call it post moves!!! I know hes 19 but when has he ever dominate like the greats??? he hasn't even shown us signs of dominance, nothing special here guys he is extremely overrated and lakers know it phil, buss, karem, are happy to see teams in a freenzy to aquire bynum, because they can get a star player for little or nothing, so the more hype we put out for softy bynum, the more we hurt ourselves, because our guy b. miller can shoot the ball make crisp passes but gets overlooked in value over a overrated non proven center, now isn't something wrong with this so lakers can keep their garbage we can go elsewhere, anywhere else because there is plenty of talent in the nba don't believe the hype believe the truth!!!

 

[Bricklayer]

The other player that is included in that deal is Brown. So its Bynum, Odom and Brown (plus possibly pick 19) for O'Neal and Murphy.

Which is where the holdup would be. Too much from the Lakers standpoint. Again they would be better off just swapping Odom + Bynum for O'Neal in that situation.

Of course the real trick would be to get the Pacers to bite on Brown, Bynum, #19 and some other minor piece while keeping Odom and adding Jermaine. But that's doubtful.

 

[ParniValjak]

Which is where the holdup would be. Too much from the Lakers standpoint. Again they would be better off just swapping Odom + Bynum for O'Neal in that situation.

Of course the real trick would be to get the Pacers to bite on Brown, Bynum, #19 and some other minor piece while keeping Odom and adding Jermaine. But that's doubtful.

Pacers, quite rightly, want to get rid off a bad contract in the process with is a smart thing to do. They know that JO has some real value on the market and for a franchise that is rebuilding a good player, a good prospect and an expiring contract for their star player and a bad contract is a fair price.

If Pacers trade JO for Bynum and Odom then they are really shooting themselves in the foot IMHO.