Arena report set for Thursday

Mike0476

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Highlights:

- plans will call for a "smaller but yet world-class venue" of less than 700,000 square feet that fits the region's needs, according to Mayor Kevin Johnson. Power Balance Pavilion, the Kings’ current home, is 442,000 square feet.


- "I don't think 370 is accurate. I actually haven't seen the final number. I've been told that's not an accurate number," he (KJ) said. "I do think it will be under $400 million, which is important."

- Johnson said he's been talking with everyone who may be interested in playing a role in the arena effort, including Tim Leiweke, president of AEG, which owns and operates the Staples Center in Los Angeles, the Sprint Center in Kansas City and many other sports facilities.


- City officials will be asked to decide whether to contribute land the city owns – most likely a site at the downtown railyards.


- Next week, the mayor will announce a regional commission being pulled together to spearhead a campaign to build the arena.


- City officials hope to have arena financing and other issues solved by November or December, Johnson said.


http://www.sacramentopress.com/headline/51123/Arena_report_set_for_Thursday
 
Smaller has me wondering. They have a big enough site to fit a building the size of Conseco Fieldhouse or even the Amway Center in there. I hope they don't trade off future renovation by making it smaller. It just costs too much to add square footage later.
 
I can't wait for Thursday! It will be great to finally get the ball rolling. It just feels right.

Thanks for the streaming link, Mike.
 
I can hardly wait to be at the meeting tomorrow. I took the day off. :)

When they get the campaigning group organized, I'd like to volunteer.
 
JB_kings said:
Smaller has me wondering. They have a big enough site to fit a building the size of Conseco Fieldhouse or even the Amway Center in there. I hope they don't trade off future renovation by making it smaller. It just costs too much to add square footage later.
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Conseco Fieldhouse is similar, I think it might be 750k vs 700k. Pretty close. I think that is why CF is setting the standard for mid and small markets. It wasn't extravagant, other arenas that opened at the same time captured everybody's imagination instead but 10 years later when people re-evaluate Conseco is what they want to emulate.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
Conseco Fieldhouse is similar, I think it might be 750k vs 700k. Pretty close. I think that is why CF is setting the standard for mid and small markets. It wasn't extravagant, other arenas that opened at the same time captured everybody's imagination instead but 10 years later when people re-evaluate Conseco is what they want to emulate.
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I imagine that in addition to cost concerns, they want it to be smaller to try to replicate the ARCO noise and feel, and I think that's a great idea.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
I imagine that in addition to cost concerns, they want it to be smaller to try to replicate the ARCO noise and feel, and I think that's a great idea.
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They do want to create a certain atmosphere with the smaller venue and I'm all for that. Hopefully the footprint will be large enough still to renovate in the event that our region continues to grow in population at the same pace it has been growing. Also want it to be a multipurpose building that could house an NHL franchise in the future, given the opportunity. Or even arena football. So the design has to be right. I don't believe Conseco has enough seats for NHL hockey with only 14,000.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
I imagine that in addition to cost concerns, they want it to be smaller to try to replicate the ARCO noise and feel, and I think that's a great idea.
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I think they can do that with big arenas now if they build them with the proper acoustics in mind. One thing I fear about doing that is it could compromise the acoustical integrity for concerts. Arco has always suffered as a musical venue. I know that here in Portland the Rose Garden is considered one of the best concert arenas in the US but many fans consider it completely sterile compared to the old Memorial Coliseum. As much as I hope the old Arco magic can be preserved it will be a major let down if the acoustics are not world class for live performances.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
I think they can do that with big arenas now if they build them with the proper acoustics in mind. One thing I fear about doing that is it could compromise the acoustical integrity for concerts. Arco has always suffered as a musical venue. I know that here in Portland the Rose Garden is considered one of the best concert arenas in the US but many fans consider it completely sterile compared to the old Memorial Coliseum. As much as I hope the old Arco magic can be preserved it will be a major let down if the acoustics are not world class for live performances.
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Good point. Hopefully there's a way to work around this so it's not a straight either/or trade-off.
 
JB_kings said:
Smaller has me wondering. They have a big enough site to fit a building the size of Conseco Fieldhouse or even the Amway Center in there. I hope they don't trade off future renovation by making it smaller. It just costs too much to add square footage later.
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Conseco Fieldhouse has 750,000 square feet. So this is a little smaller. But Conseco's square footage has a huge team store and a lot of square footage for concessions. The square footage goes up with levels, rather than out. The main issue with Arco was the foundations couldn't support going up (multi-level) the way most modern arenas do.

Conseco seats 18,375 for basketball and 20,000 for a center stage concert and 14,400 for hockey.
 
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Capt. Factorial said:
Good point. Hopefully there's a way to work around this so it's not a straight either/or trade-off.
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I'm afraid it's mostly a trade-off. A raucous arena is created when sound waves combine/converge. I imagine a yurtlike or spherical structure would be the best for this type of atmosphere. Concert halls on the other hand are designed to avoid build up at all cost. Arco roar = musical mud.

On the other hand, world class acoustics would likely sound underwhelming in a sports atmosphere. Too much diffraction.

For a stupid amount of money, you could have retractable sound panels designed to build or diffract sound, but that's probably not the best use of money.
 
Yeah, this definitely has AEG's fingerprints all over it and despite them being minority owners of the Lakers, I think this is a good thing. I say this because of what people have brought up and that's that it looks like the Sprint Center with the Staples Center office extension sticking out in the front. And since AEG runs both those buildings, I have to believe that they would've had some input on what the building will look like if they were going to be part of this venture.

Keep in mind that AEG has set the standard for indoor arena management and even more importantly, they have contributed financially to the building of Staples and Sprint. I'm thinking that if there is a funding gap, they may have the incentive and juice to cover the gap. Knowing that they have the Staples Center ace up their sleeve, meaning they can promise attractive dates to big time acts at Staples if they book a concert in Sacramento one or two nights before, it gives them good reason to contribute financially knowing that they'll get their money back or even be profitable.
 
Trueblood said:
Yeah, this definitely has AEG's fingerprints all over it and despite them being minority owners of the Lakers, I think this is a good thing. I say this because of what people have brought up and that's that it looks like the Sprint Center with the Staples Center office extension sticking out in the front. And since AEG runs both those buildings, I have to believe that they would've had some input on what the building will look like if they were going to be part of this venture.

Keep in mind that AEG has set the standard for indoor arena management and even more importantly, they have contributed financially to the building of Staples and Sprint. I'm thinking that if there is a funding gap, they may have the incentive and juice to cover the gap. Knowing that they have the Staples Center ace up their sleeve, meaning they can promise attractive dates to big time acts at Staples if they book a concert in Sacramento one or two nights before, it gives them good reason to contribute financially knowing that they'll get their money back or even be profitable.
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Plus they don't want them to move to Anaheim.
 
Loving this arena. Very well designed. I like that the purple panels change color and can be active displays for each event. So many nice features.
 
Trueblood said:
Yeah, this definitely has AEG's fingerprints all over it and despite them being minority owners of the Lakers, I think this is a good thing. I say this because of what people have brought up and that's that it looks like the Sprint Center with the Staples Center office extension sticking out in the front. And since AEG runs both those buildings, I have to believe that they would've had some input on what the building will look like if they were going to be part of this venture.

Keep in mind that AEG has set the standard for indoor arena management and even more importantly, they have contributed financially to the building of Staples and Sprint. I'm thinking that if there is a funding gap, they may have the incentive and juice to cover the gap. Knowing that they have the Staples Center ace up their sleeve, meaning they can promise attractive dates to big time acts at Staples if they book a concert in Sacramento one or two nights before, it gives them good reason to contribute financially knowing that they'll get their money back or even be profitable.
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Based on what AEG is doing in LA to get an NFL stadium built, and what they did to get Staples and Sprint built, I would agree. They also did AT&T in San Antonio, and American Airlines in Miami.

If you want a venue built, AEG is the first phone call you make. They get **** done.
 
mr. moustache said:
I'm afraid it's mostly a trade-off. A raucous arena is created when sound waves combine/converge. I imagine a yurtlike or spherical structure would be the best for this type of atmosphere. Concert halls on the other hand are designed to avoid build up at all cost. Arco roar = musical mud.

On the other hand, world class acoustics would likely sound underwhelming in a sports atmosphere. Too much diffraction.

For a stupid amount of money, you could have retractable sound panels designed to build or diffract sound, but that's probably not the best use of money.
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You can do what LA did, build an arena for sporting events, and then add a theatre for concerts and such. Nokia Theatre is where American Idol is broadcast from, right next door to Staples. Throw a bunch of restaurants and such down there, and you've got yourself an entertainment hub downtown.
 
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