Arena Building 101 with Jim Crandell(arena could've been paid for by ATL Group in 09)

I think if nothign else has been learned in those whole deal its that you should not listen to a word Crandell says on this whole deal. He appears to hae absolutely no clue as to the realities of the situation.

Except that has pretty much been the maloofs stance all along.

Here's the Orlando Amway deal according to wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amway_Center

The details of the agreement were finalized on December 22, 2006. In the agreement, the City of Orlando will take ownership of the new arena, while the Magic will control the planning and construction of the facility so long as contracting procedures are done in the same public manner as governments advertise contracts. In addition, the City will be paid a part of naming rights and corporate suite sales, a share estimated to be worth $1.75 million the first year of the arena's opening. The Magic will receive all proceeds from ticket sales for Magic games, while the City will receive all proceeds from ticket sales to all other events.[8] The Orlando Magic will contribute at least $50 million in cash up-front, pick up any cost overruns, and pay rent of $1 million per year for 30 years. The City of Orlando will pay for the land and infrastructure. The remaining money will come from bonds which will be paid off by part of the Orange County, Florida, Tourist Development Tax, collected as a surcharge on hotel stays, which was raised to 6% in 2006. The Magic will guarantee $100 million of these bonds.

The Orlando City Council approved several operating agreements connected with the arena plans on May 22, 2007.[9] The City Council approved the plan officially, 6-1, on July 23.[10] The Venue plan received final approval by the Orange County Board of County Commissioners, 5-2, in late evening of July 26 after a long day of public hearings.[11] Amendments were made by the County Commission which were approved on August 6 by the City Council, 6-1, sealing the deal once and for all. On December 1, 2007, the City and the Magic came to an agreement on nearly $8.5 million in compensation to three owners of the land where the arena is planned to be built. An eminent domain hearing confirmed the agreement and finalized the sale.[12]

The Maloofs want the pie in the sky.
 
I also hate the need to point fingers at this point.

Fact 1- an arena hasn't gotten done before and there are many people to blame.

Fact 2- we are close to getting a second chance to build an arena.

FACT 3- pointing fingers and assigning specific blame for Fact 1 is not going to help Fact 2

Time for everyone to move on and focus on real plans to build an arena and save our team rather than lamenting how we got in this position to begin with.
 
I think the Maloofs do have a valid point about local media poisoning the waters for all things Kings-related. There's really no need to go back to what happened 10+ years ago and start pointing fingers again. There's been nothing but negative editorializing about the arena issue from the beginning and the focus continues to be on what everyone has done wrong instead of what's currently being done right. If/when the new arena does get finalized it's not going to be because of anything these jokers (Crandell included) have done. I would hope that 5-10 years from now they would look in the mirror and see that any significant progress in the development of Sacramento has come despite them and not because of them, but I suspect that's asking too much.
 
I think the Maloofs do have a valid point about local media poisoning the waters for all things Kings-related. There's really no need to go back to what happened 10+ years ago and start pointing fingers again. There's been nothing but negative editorializing about the arena issue from the beginning and the focus continues to be on what everyone has done wrong instead of what's currently being done right. If/when the new arena does get finalized it's not going to be because of anything these jokers (Crandell included) have done. I would hope that 5-10 years from now they would look in the mirror and see that any significant progress in the development of Sacramento has come despite them and not because of them, but I suspect that's asking too much.

I'm not a big fan of Crandell, but that is what media does. They report on negativity and if you're a public figure, then that is the price of doing business. The best thing the Maloofs can do is create more positive news. As long as the media is reporting facts, then it's up to the Kings PR people to make sure the positive facts drown out the negative. There are always going to be particular individuals (journalists) who may not like you or your business for whatever reason, but that can be overcome by how you conduct your business.
 
The best way to get the people that report this stuff about you to like you is give them their interviews and be their friend. Simple as that.

I have no doubt that the Maloofs shot this idea down. Why? Because like I said in a post late last week, the Maloofs want the whole enchalada!! That's why the city just gave up with them, and that's why we had this last ditch efford land swap deal with Cal Expo. Should have never came to that in the first place if the Maloofs knew they couldn't have everything in regards to concessions, parking ect ect..

They don't want to pay anything for an arena yet they want all the profits from it.. Spoiled brats..
 
I'm not a big fan of Crandell, but that is what media does. They report on negativity and if you're a public figure, then that is the price of doing business. The best thing the Maloofs can do is create more positive news. As long as the media is reporting facts, then it's up to the Kings PR people to make sure the positive facts drown out the negative. There are always going to be particular individuals (journalists) who may not like you or your business for whatever reason, but that can be overcome by how you conduct your business.

Yeah, I suppose that's true. It's like the refs in the NBA. They're going to do what they do regardless so you can either complain about it or you can overcome it. I'm no fan of the Maloofs, I'm just even less of a fan of reporters who act like their job is self-promotion instead of actually reporting.
 
Really simplistic explanation of the situation and nothing new, except about the Atlanta group. Hoever, how investors get paid back has always been a main problem for years.

Also, Orlando is not a good comparison for Sacramento. Orlando is one humongous tourist destination, with Disney World as its centerpiece, but hardly the only major attraction there. Much, much easier for Orlando to soak the out-of-town tourists with fees and taxes (so-called tourist taxes). Sacramento will never approach having that level of tourism as a major revenue source.
 
Funny thing Scott Howard Cooper was saying on the Grant show today was that if moving a team to Anaheim was such a great deal, why hasn't there been another team who has tried to do it all these years?

There's been a few teams that have moved since Honda Center was built. Maybe the terms of a Anaheim deal aren't so wonderful. Its strange the Maloofs wouldn't make reasonable concessions up here, but are ready to compromise so much down there. Must be something really enticing, or something that is gonna save their asses because they could still make a killing up here with a state of the art Arena, and the right negotiations... but if they figure they can't stay afloat for 2-3yrs for that to happen, and they need to stop the bleeding now... Anaheim is a big Pawn Shop.

PS: Weren't there 22 teams in the league this season who didn't make a profit that are staying put? Times are tough. Maybe it's not just a Sac thing.
 
Funny thing Scott Howard Cooper was saying on the Grant show today was that if moving a team to Anaheim was such a great deal, why hasn't there been another team who has tried to do it all these years?

There's been a few teams that have moved since Honda Center was built. Maybe the terms of a Anaheim deal aren't so wonderful. Its strange the Maloofs wouldn't make reasonable concessions up here, but are ready to compromise so much down there. Must be something really enticing, or something that is gonna save their asses because they could still make a killing up here with a state of the art Arena, and the right negotiations... but if they figure they can't stay afloat for 2-3yrs for that to happen, and they need to stop the bleeding now... Anaheim is a big Pawn Shop.

PS: Weren't there 22 teams in the league this season who didn't make a profit that are staying put? Times are tough. Maybe it's not just a Sac thing.

Actually, the Grizzlies were interested in Anaheim but the league recommended they move to Louisville or Memphis due to the oversaturation angle.

The Hornets and George Shinn were going to do what then co-owner Ray Woolridge wanted. He wanted New Orleans.

And of course Clay Bennett wanted OKC all along.
 
I have to say, I have given crandell the benefit of the doubt on a couple things, but I am fed up. He an channel 40 just sensationalize things to the point of almost lying. Its not just the sports section of 40 either, its their overall broadcast in general. They hold NO validity. I am done with my rant and will now return to the Airplane thread and let the hilarity ensue
 
Really simplistic explanation of the situation and nothing new, except about the Atlanta group. Hoever, how investors get paid back has always been a main problem for years.

Also, Orlando is not a good comparison for Sacramento. Orlando is one humongous tourist destination, with Disney World as its centerpiece, but hardly the only major attraction there. Much, much easier for Orlando to soak the out-of-town tourists with fees and taxes (so-called tourist taxes). Sacramento will never approach having that level of tourism as a major revenue source.

Yes I agree on the tourism part, but did you notice the other parts? $50 mil up front by the team. The team covers cost overruns. The city gets part of the naming rights and suite sales. Those are things the Maloofs wouldnt go for.
 
Yes I agree on the tourism part, but did you notice the other parts? $50 mil up front by the team. The team covers cost overruns. The city gets part of the naming rights and suite sales. Those are things the Maloofs wouldnt go for.
We'll see. I do think Sacramento has an edge they haven't had before. They know what the draft lease for the Honda Center looked like and it was not that good. Certainly a lot less than the Maloofs have asked for from Sacramento, previously.
 
Water is wet. The Sun is hot...

We didn't really learn anything from Jim's report. He merely stated the obvious. If nobody is going to just build the arena out of the kindness in their heart, they are going to want a return on their investment. That's the whole reason why you have all these real estate deals in conjunction with arena financing. Is Jim really just figuring this out?
 
We'll see. I do think Sacramento has an edge they haven't had before. They know what the draft lease for the Honda Center looked like and it was not that good. Certainly a lot less than the Maloofs have asked for from Sacramento, previously.

The next couple of days are going to be telling. I have strong feelings about this whole issue, which will remain with me. With so many bullets being fired its hard to not get hit by one. If nothing else comes out of this entire process, the Maloof's being veted will certainly be one of them. And thats a good thing. Its hard to deal with someone, or support someone, unless you know the whole story. And the Maloof's, While seemingly likable, and enthusiatic fans, appear to be poor businessmen. Odd, since that would seem to be their field of expertise.

The next few days will show if the Maloof's have learned anything, or will tell whose running the show in the family. Whats that they've always said? That its a family decision and if one member desents, they don't do it. From what Amick wrote today, it appears there is some desent within the family.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sam_amick/04/28/maloofs.sacramento.kings/index.html

The timing of this entire thing, which Amick refers to, is simply terrible. Lockout looming, sacramento reinventing itself into a viable NBA city, the playoffs in full swing. The last thing the NBA needs is a PR black eye. And the Maloof's persuing Anaheim against the will of the NBA would be just that. Hopefully cooler heads within the family will prevail. If the Maloof's want to come back, or have to come back, they need to start mending fences. This isn't about them anymore. The NBA is an BYOB party. You show up without, and you might not get invited back. There's only one good move the Maloof's can make right now. I hope for their sake, and the sake of everyone involved, they make that move.
 
The next couple of days are going to be telling. I have strong feelings about this whole issue, which will remain with me. With so many bullets being fired its hard to not get hit by one. If nothing else comes out of this entire process, the Maloof's being veted will certainly be one of them. And thats a good thing. Its hard to deal with someone, or support someone, unless you know the whole story. And the Maloof's, While seemingly likable, and enthusiatic fans, appear to be poor businessmen. Odd, since that would seem to be their field of expertise.

George went to UNLV and majored in Casino operations according to wiki

http://www.nba.com/kings/news/Joe_and_Gavin_Maloof_Bio.html

Gavin graduated from Trinity in 1979 with a speech and communications degree.

LOL this is too funny since Gavin always so flustered when talking.

Joe

University of New Mexico, where he graduated in 1979 with a degree in business.

So at least Joe has a business degree.
 
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