Are you sure we are going to make the playoffs?
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ReinadelosReys
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The Kings would have to fall flat on their faces not to make the playoffs. Count me of a "yes"
thecatandbib2312
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we will make the playoffs...but after that its not lookin good hopefully we can get back to last years form and make a run
kingsfannPDX
Bench
well we have some home games coming up and that's a good thing. if we don't make the playoffs i don't think petrie deserves to be called a genius anymore.
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AriesMar27
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yes this team will make the playoffs.... my thing is, who can we bring in this summer to help us? are there any other webbers and divacs out there that we can trade for? if mobley isnt coming back what type of position does that put us in? if we could trade mobley for artest and trade thomas, skinner and daniels for boozer.... then maybe, hell... we'd be a better team than the 2002 and 2003 squads....
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AriesMar27
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VF21 said:
okay... but that is really my only concern.... we are not even close to competing for a championship this year..... so lets just try to enjoy the rest of the season and look forward to this summer and next season... the new look, new look kings.....
TheSerbianQueen
Bench
Ok... I know we have hit some hard time, but let's not talk about not making the playoffs. That's little too negative about the whole situation.......
there ARE teams in the west doing worst than the KINGS
there ARE teams in the west doing worst than the KINGS
kingskings!
Bench
BigWaxer said:
Aren't you forgetting the 10 teams in the West with worse records? Not to mention that 4 of the 10 teams posting a W for their last game have exactly ONE W in their current streak? Five teams are posting the same or WORSE last 10 record in the West ...sheesh... 7th best record in the NBA and all of a sudden the team we all profess to love is crap?
I don't buy it, just like I don't buy that the Kings had a realistic chance to get past the second round in the PO before the trades. Yeah, it's a lot more fun to watch and root for this team when they are playing well and winning but I still do it when they aren't.
It's almost like some fans want to see the TEAM do badly now and to suggest they tank the rest of the season to enter the lottery? I never thought I'd see true Kings fans suggest it at this point in the season. Do I think it happens? Probably. But I never thought I'd see it here on this board.
Go Kings!!!
BigWaxer
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kingskings! said:Aren't you forgetting the 10 teams in the West with worse records? Not to mention that 4 of the 10 teams posting a W for their last game have exactly ONE W in their current streak? Five teams are posting the same or WORSE last 10 record in the West ...sheesh... 7th best record in the NBA and all of a sudden the team we all profess to love is crap?
I don't buy it, just like I don't buy that the Kings had a realistic chance to get past the second round in the PO before the trades. Yeah, it's a lot more fun to watch and root for this team when they are playing well and winning but I still do it when they aren't.
It's almost like some fans want to see the TEAM do badly now and to suggest they tank the rest of the season to enter the lottery? I never thought I'd see true Kings fans suggest it at this point in the season. Do I think it happens? Probably. But I never thought I'd see it here on this board.
Go Kings!!!
You got my post wrong but that’s okay.
I was just pointing out current streaks. I would wager to guess you cannot find to many posts were I criticized the coaches or players (cept tag and house )... In fact I bet 99% of the time its the exact opposite.
With that said ... I am all GO KINGS but I am also realistic about things as they are unfolding right now. As I said yesterday, this upcoming home stand is going to really define the season. We will see what this current group can do after some practice and home crowd lovn.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
kingskings! said:It's almost like some fans want to see the TEAM do badly now and to suggest they tank the rest of the season to enter the lottery? I never thought I'd see true Kings fans suggest it at this point in the season. Do I think it happens? Probably. But I never thought I'd see it here on this board.
You act as if that is disloyalty -- hardly. It is being smart -- I was here before we were good, and I will still be here after this era is over. I've watched the Knicks be IDIOTS for years like a stupid hamster on a wheel -- always chasing chasing chasing and never once taking a step back and saying we're being stupid here, lets be smart and plan for the future. And so they never get good, and gee, what a shocker.
If you are toast in a season, takes some guts to admit it and to take steps to help yourself the next season. We are unlikely to slide all the way to #8/#9 barring a collapse, but if we DO collapse that badly, the smart move (or at least A smart move), the move you make because you DO love your team and want to see them succeed going into the future, would be to drop an extra game or two and get that lottery pick. This is being smart. This is planning for the future (my only objection beign because it taints the competitive balnce of th league). If we collapse, this team as currently constructed is not coming back anyway, we'll need major rebuilding, and a good strong draft pick wil help fill at least one hole on the new roster.
Now if we show signs of life, fine. Hang in there and see what happens. who knows, maybe all of the top teams suffer devastating inujuries or whatnot. But if there is no life, then be smart, give it up, and come back stronger next year than if you played the hamster.
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G_M
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I think the team will make the playoffs.
As a matter of fact I think they have just as much chance as advancing as they did before the trade. They have a minimal chance of advancing to the second round, anything beyond that would be miraculous.
I did not see anything before the trade that lead me to believe the Kings were close to title contenders. I can't remember watching one game and thinking these guys can get it done. The pre trade win/loss % gainst +.500 teams is all you really need to know. Sprinkle in losses to the dregs of the league and that encapsulates the direction of the team. To me that's the genius of the whole trade. Not much of a gamble and a chance to add something in the off season that actually may work.
As a matter of fact I think they have just as much chance as advancing as they did before the trade. They have a minimal chance of advancing to the second round, anything beyond that would be miraculous.
I did not see anything before the trade that lead me to believe the Kings were close to title contenders. I can't remember watching one game and thinking these guys can get it done. The pre trade win/loss % gainst +.500 teams is all you really need to know. Sprinkle in losses to the dregs of the league and that encapsulates the direction of the team. To me that's the genius of the whole trade. Not much of a gamble and a chance to add something in the off season that actually may work.
kingskings! said:Aren't you forgetting the 10 teams in the West with worse records? Not to mention that 4 of the 10 teams posting a W for their last game have exactly ONE W in their current streak? Five teams are posting the same or WORSE last 10 record in the West ...sheesh... 7th best record in the NBA and all of a sudden the team we all profess to love is crap?
I don't buy it, just like I don't buy that the Kings had a realistic chance to get past the second round in the PO before the trades. Yeah, it's a lot more fun to watch and root for this team when they are playing well and winning but I still do it when they aren't.
It's almost like some fans want to see the TEAM do badly now and to suggest they tank the rest of the season to enter the lottery? I never thought I'd see true Kings fans suggest it at this point in the season. Do I think it happens? Probably. But I never thought I'd see it here on this board.
Go Kings!!!
Excuse me?
Look at the Kings record against OTHER TEAMS in the West. You can talk about current league records, etc. but the cold, harsh reality is that we are not going into the playoffs in great shape to beat OTHER WESTERN TEAMS!!
The team that compiled the record that enabled them to be 5th in the league no longer exists. The team that has already dropped to 7th and is in great danger of dropping further is the one we have now.
Sorry if that upsets you. Reality does that sometimes.
Does it mean I'm going to quit cheering for them? I don't think so. I've been here since 1985 and I'm not stopping now. But I'm not going to pretend I think this current team can win the WCF either.
G_M said:
Yep.
And for a variety of reasons the odds of this rag-tag bunch of players (feel free to hum Battlestar Gallactica music here) finding a way to put it all together and make a meaningful run for the WC title are pretty close to impossible. Other teams we have to play haven't had to deal with the blows we've been dealt. They didn't move All-Star players at the trade deadline. They haven't had the turnover in players we had AND they were, quite frankly, better to begin with.
I love this team. Anyone who's been around this board should know that. I've never hidden it and have, in fact, been called the ultimate Pollyana. I will still love this team next week, next month, next year, etc. I'm like a Cubbies fan in that regard. And, like Cubbies fans for so many years, I'm facing what I believe to be the inevitable truth. Barring an unforseen miracle I do not see this team, with the current roster, taking us to the promised land in 2005.
BUT - and this is important - I would absolutely love to be wrong. I hope I'm wrong; I pray I'm wrong - but I don't think I'm wrong.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
G_M said:
Our hole shot was always that those veterans would have picked it up one more time (ala last season) in a desperate last chance push once the playoffs arose. Webb for his last shot at a title with us, Peja to prove he wasn't a choker etc. With the old crew we weren't getting blown out (terrible start aside) -- we were dropping close ones to the good teams. And actualy with that tough victory at Arco over the Spurs around the new year it looked like there was hope. That was the effort we needed. But the back to back Spurs spankings late in them month kind of exploded the Mobley-is-the-key myth after our fast start with him, and injuries, close losses galore, and down goes the ship.
But one thing that has changed is that this new team no longer has that hole shot -- no longer has the veteran-playoff-squad-make-a-last-stand thing going for it. Not only are these guys less talented, but they hardly know each other. The "team" that might have made a stand together, and for each other, not longer exists. No way we can be tight and raise our games in a desperate push the way the old team might have (emphasis on MIGHT).
kingskings!
Bench
BigWaxer said:
You're right, I did.
So much negative stuff about the team and remaining players that I got a little trigger happy. Sorry. I think I need another break from the board.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Bricklayer said:
I personally don't think the Kings are going after the draft pick route. The draft hasn't been all that strong in the past years so the odds of finding that "missing" link are not that great. Could it happen? sure. The Kings may make some earth shattering move in the offseason, but then again they might not. Then again, do we need any earth shattering moves in the offseason to be "contenders"? I hate to compare ourselves to any other teams but look at Seattle. They were projected to be a cellar dweller this season and they are one of the best teams in the league! The Kings may have all the talent they need and may not go after a big name guy because they simply don't have too.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
SacTownKid said:
Yes. We are weak in a number of areas and our top core of players are considerably weaker than the superstars you need in order to make up for weaker overall talent. We are short of passers, short of size inside, short of great defenders. Our overall talent still puts in the upper half of the league -- still a playoff team. But no longer remotely a threat to the best teams. The only thing we still do at an elite level is shoot. That's not enough.
SCKingsfan
Bench
SacTownKid said:
I was with you until the halfway point. Do we need earth shattering moves in the offseason to be contenders - heck yes. We'll never have a shot at the WCF with the defense we have (pre or post trade, actually) except now with the loss of our passers our offense will never be what it was --I don't think someone like Mobley just becomes someone like Christie (passing-wise) with more "practice". This means a few different things re: the kinds of important moves in the offseason: if we want to keep the Princeton offense (and I think with Peja, Bibby, and Brad there is good reason to do so) then we need to dump most of the new pickups - actually I like Skinner as a back up center b/c he's pretty unselfish, and unselfishness is always what made our offense the best in the league (when it was). Obviously, rebounding and interior D. As Brick pointed out when this whole trade went down, we ended up minus rebounds - not something a team needs that gets outrebounded day in and day out.
But I do think we agree on the notion that the core is strong - even Songaila seems to have developed into a strong bench supporter. But we need "SERIOUS" retooling to make a championship squad. What we really need is a young C-Webb and a young Christie [yeah, I'm still living in the past....]
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