Are there people on the team unhappy with Tyreke??
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AriesMar27
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lebron? when? when has anyone ever said that he was selfish with the basketball? if anything they say that he passes too much sometimes. same thing goes for wade as well, he is a willing passer. carmelo is a straight scorer...
tyreke looks to destroy, thats cool... i have no problem with it, its him doing it as our starting pg. as a sg or sf thats fine, we still have someone to run the offense for everyone else, beno, sergio or any pg i suppose.
but if there is an issue, its probably with martin which is a shame. but he knows that he would be at his best with a pass first pg. if tyreke could play off the ball and shoot, he could be our starting sf and he and martin wouldnt have any problems. they could take turns being the scorer and it wont disrupt the offense. but that will take time, he will get there but it will take time...
rainmaker
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I hope you aren't implying that Tyreke would be best at sf, and that going forward we should have Kevin at the 2 and Tyreke at the 3. Tyreke is a pg. Omri and Donte can play the 3, and one of them will be our future starting sf. It makes no sense to consider moving Tyreke to sf fulltime to appease Kevin. We are already grooming our future sf's. If Kevin can't play with Tyreke in the same backcourt, he has to be moved.
I'm pretty sure if our guys could shoot better, we'd see Tyreke with a 7-9 assist average and this wouldn't even be an issue. Team's double/triple team Reke's penetration and he kicks it out to open guys who can't drain the bucket. It's not his fault for wanting to win.
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Kings4life23
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This is about there being two dominant scorers in the backcourt nothing else Tyreke is an excellent point and I dont know how you can argue that he has set up his guys time and time again last night he had so many dimes that his team mates messed up and he still had 8 assists I dont understand how anyone can come on this board and bash Reke yea he has stuff to work on but come on the point is the hardest position on the court to learn your the extension of the coach not to mention he is only 20 its like your not even watching the games or something he is a rare bread I will tell you that much baring injury he will be a HOF and bring championshipS to Sac guaranteed because his defense will only get better his passing will get better his shot will get better his everything will be better a couple years from now your going to be watching the kings and Reke Havok and get up walk to a mirror and slap your self and say what was I thinking and you can come on here and tell us all about it as we laugh lol ........
Kings Faithful
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Tyreke is our PG. Thats where he will be most effective for us. He's a great decision maker (most of the time) and thats what it takes to be a point guard. Just because 99% of his decisions are to take it to the rack doesn't mean he can't run a team... the truth is taking it to the rack is the best option. If anything I've been extremely impressed at the passing ability he has shown these last few weeks. If our players could hit shots he would be easily averaging a few more apg. Even if Evans wasn't our PG.. he would pretty much still be the facilitater because of his ball dominance. Thats what you see with guys like Kobe, Wade, and Lebron. They may be SG's and SF's but in reality they are the play makers. Whatever title you put on Reke, thats what he is always going to be.
FakeInjury
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Yea, its not like this stuff hasn't happened before. Heck, it happened to Charlotte before they even got Kobe in a uniform. Tyreke will get very frustrated with his shooters not shooting well enough to win, and if we don't put some players around him that compliment his game and help the teams make the playoffs, it serves to mention that KG demanded a trade, Bosh, Kobe, ect. and their teams either traded the player or got some expensive talent to quell the angst. Tyreke is a rookie, he doesn't know his own power yet within the org.. He can ask for alot before he feels the wrath of a Maloof. At the end of the day, all i am trying to say is we have 4 years to make this kid WANT to stay. I hate to mention this, but if you noticed how FA's rarely flock to small market teams, it is because those same small market teams are 50% to keep their Allstar.(I.E Pau Gasol, KG, Chris Bosh(future), Rudy Gay(future maybe)) Its a win-win for major markets.
Like others have said Reke is going to have the ball in his hands a lot regardless of what position he is labeled as. Would some of you feel better if there was a guy that just passed the ball to Reke every possession that we called the PG?
Punctuation is your friend. Use it! This is a pain to try to read....
rainmaker
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This is by far the longest sentence I have ever read. You sure you couldn't have thrown a period or two in there?
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Kingsguy881
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So if you have no problem with it, why do you have a problem with it?
Kings4life23
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This is by far the longest sentence I have ever read. You sure you couldn't have thrown a period or two in there?
I made up for it at the end of the sentence lol.
Fresno King
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All great players take a lot of shots. Kobe. LeBron. Wade. I WANT Evans taking the majority of the shots for this team because he could become great.
After watching last night's game and comparing Evans at the end of a close game and Martin at the end of a close game, it's plain to see that we have a better shot of winning the game if Evans has the ball, not Martin. Tyreke has the size to attack the defender and the cup and convert the three-point play. Or, he drives and scores without contact because of his quickness and rim-attacking attitude. He doesn't let anyone stop him from getting to the hole. Once his jumper starts falling more consistently, Evans will be an All-Star.
Martin (although I do like him) flops and falls down when you breathe on him. He didn't get the call at the end of the Denver game because: a) he wasn't fouled, b) he flopped, and c) he can't do what Evans can: use his body to draw contact AND score in the paint. Martin draws contact on jumpers only. He is incapable of driving the lane, creating contact and scoring. He used the wrong method of trying to get to the free throw line. Refs aren't going to call touch fouls on jumpers late in games.
Tyreke is a game-changer. He's made game winning shots. He wants the ball and I love that attitude. Once Petrie gets the right pieces around him (power forward, Donte playing more minutes) and jettisons the pieces that could be the ones who are complaining (Martin, Nocioni) then we'll be fine. The engine is still being fine-tuned, and Evans has the keys. It'll be great to watch once it all comes together.
After watching last night's game and comparing Evans at the end of a close game and Martin at the end of a close game, it's plain to see that we have a better shot of winning the game if Evans has the ball, not Martin. Tyreke has the size to attack the defender and the cup and convert the three-point play. Or, he drives and scores without contact because of his quickness and rim-attacking attitude. He doesn't let anyone stop him from getting to the hole. Once his jumper starts falling more consistently, Evans will be an All-Star.
Martin (although I do like him) flops and falls down when you breathe on him. He didn't get the call at the end of the Denver game because: a) he wasn't fouled, b) he flopped, and c) he can't do what Evans can: use his body to draw contact AND score in the paint. Martin draws contact on jumpers only. He is incapable of driving the lane, creating contact and scoring. He used the wrong method of trying to get to the free throw line. Refs aren't going to call touch fouls on jumpers late in games.
Tyreke is a game-changer. He's made game winning shots. He wants the ball and I love that attitude. Once Petrie gets the right pieces around him (power forward, Donte playing more minutes) and jettisons the pieces that could be the ones who are complaining (Martin, Nocioni) then we'll be fine. The engine is still being fine-tuned, and Evans has the keys. It'll be great to watch once it all comes together.
6th
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You are right. You are only speculating and you would be wrong.
I have met Kevin on more than one occasion, and while I don't know him well, my friend is a friend of Kevin and his family's. I will never speak to how someone "thinks" unless I am comfortable that I know.
Is Kevin unhappy? Sure, but it is not how you all are making him out. He is unhappy with himself, but he is working hard (like he always does) to right things. It will take time. He knows he will get his shot (and consistency) back.
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Kingsguy881
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Hey I hope so! I was a firm believer in Kevin's ability coming out of 'Dub C' and even believed he had all star potential. I just question whether he has a killer instinct now that he has shown to be a little 'soft' down the stretch of games. If anything, he is starting to remind me of Peja, great thru 3 but Casper the friendly ghost down the stretch. Thats not what I want to see happening, but toughness in the face of adversity it is not a mentality you can learn. Martin is not an assassin, which is sad because he has the dagger-dead-eye aim to be one.
I can see Tyreke standing up to Kobe and going toe to toe with him down the stretch, backing down nary an inch. I could even see Casspi doing that. We have all seen Garcia do it. But Kevin is not of that breed. Very sad. He is too passive.
You're right but I would propose it more important right now to add another starter quality player. Don't get rid of such a starter until then.Dang... I KNEW IT! It's not rocket science, but I had a feeling something like this would pop up.. just not so fast.. Martin, and Evans cannot play well together.. It's time to move one of them, and the "one" is most likely Martin
Gary
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Hate when people say that kind of stuff.. If every team shot better their PGs would average 15apg... It's a copout to say "if his teammates blah blah then he would have blah blah". Tyreke is not the type of guard that will give you 7-9apg for an entire year.. That's not his game.. I have been saying this since we drafted him. Evans is a combo guard at best with shooting guard tendencies. He can handle the ball 90% of the time for all I care (when we are winning) but I would rather pair him with another ball handler type in the back court.. Martin will not cut it. Beno > Martin in this category.
We could move Martin to SF, and bring in Devin Harris to play with Evans.. 3 potential all-stars on the same team but do you think the Kings will be any better than they are now? nope!
This I have been saying a lot as well....
Chemistry means more than stacking a team with raw talent and hoping they click.
You stick Jason Kidd, Richard Jefferson, and Vince carter on the same team... Whoever thought up this brilliant idea was just plain retarded.. Kidd never NEVER NEVER EVER EVER used to shoot from the outside. He sucked from the outside. When did he start doing this? When Jefferson, and Carter clogged the lane, leaving Kidd with nothing more to do except shoot outside jumpers. Carter and Jefferson were like Martin, and Evans.. Both had VERY similar games, and had no way of working in NJ because they were stepping on each others feet all the time. Kidd was the only one that adjusted his game to fit better with the other two which was kind of making me mad because he's the PG.. Others should have had to adjust rather than Kidd because he was running the offense. That's basically why Kidd >>>>>> Carter, and Jefferson together. Kidd is much more valuable.
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i hate that more than anything, do you know how many assists that chris paul and nash would average if their teammates hit more of their shots... like 17 assists per game.
Gary
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Totally agree...
OK let's do potential assists... Evans averages 7papg(potential assists per game).. If we are going to do this then we should rate the whole NBA on PAPG. Evans would still rank near the bottom in this category, and yes I am still complaining that we should not have Martin, and Evans in the same back court..
It will never work... Just cannot happen. We need another ball handler back there with him.. Let's give Garcia a tryout if we trade Martin. I have a feeling this will work a lot better.
PG-Evans (I use the term PG loosely)
SG-Garcia
SF-Casspi
PF-Thompson
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With Greene, Beno and Brockman the first three off the bench. Give that a tryout and see how well it works. I am sure much much better than what we have going on now.
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AriesMar27
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garcia isnt going to work... it will be a nice experiment but it wont work for the exact same reason, tyreke isnt a pg... it wont work with any sg unless he doesnt want to score, thats part of the reason why greene and casspi have played "well" with tyreke. they dont demand the ball... but the downside to that is that we are playing 1 on 5 on offense... its tyreke or bust, he'll make a play or two every once in a while but it doesnt help the flow of the game. then for some reason the team starts flying down the court when beno or sergio are in.
on the break casspi and martin dont even try anymore when evans is in the game, he isnt going to pass the ball to them... how are we on a 3 on 2 fastbreak and our pg decides to just take it into 2 defenders with martin and casspi looking right evans, wide open and he says to hell with passing the ball to anyone. i guess his brother never told tyreke about passing and ball movement. he cant do it with or without the ball...
on the break casspi and martin dont even try anymore when evans is in the game, he isnt going to pass the ball to them... how are we on a 3 on 2 fastbreak and our pg decides to just take it into 2 defenders with martin and casspi looking right evans, wide open and he says to hell with passing the ball to anyone. i guess his brother never told tyreke about passing and ball movement. he cant do it with or without the ball...
steelevt
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and boy are the nets so much better now that they got rid of all three...oh wait. though i understand your point that chemistry is very important, we cant just go letting core players go all willy nilly. we need to get equal value for kevin (minimum solid big man). off the top of my head i cant think of a time a team got better by letting go of one of their top players for less than equal value. but there are many instances where you start adding good players to a team and they get better. the important thing is not letting one of your stars go for trash and adding the right piece. if petrie can do that? we can only hope
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garcia isnt going to work... it will be a nice experiment but it wont work for the exact same reason, tyreke isnt a pg... it wont work with any sg unless he doesnt want to score, thats part of the reason why greene and casspi have played "well" with tyreke. they dont demand the ball... but the downside to that is that we are playing 1 on 5 on offense... its tyreke or bust, he'll make a play or two every once in a while but it doesnt help the flow of the game. then for some reason the team starts flying down the court when beno or sergio are in.
on the break casspi and martin dont even try anymore when evans is in the game, he isnt going to pass the ball to them... how are we on a 3 on 2 fastbreak and our pg decides to just take it into 2 defenders with martin and casspi looking right evans, wide open and he says to hell with passing the ball to anyone. i guess his brother never told tyreke about passing and ball movement. he cant do it with or without the ball...
on the break casspi and martin dont even try anymore when evans is in the game, he isnt going to pass the ball to them... how are we on a 3 on 2 fastbreak and our pg decides to just take it into 2 defenders with martin and casspi looking right evans, wide open and he says to hell with passing the ball to anyone. i guess his brother never told tyreke about passing and ball movement. he cant do it with or without the ball...
Gary
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Actually yes.... Well not totally yes, but we need another ball handler on the court with Evans in order for the Kings to be most effective. When you see Beno taking the ball up the court Evans has time to move without the ball and bully a little bit.. I am not the best at explaining things, but yes, Kings are much better when Evans has another handler with him..
Gary
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The Nets weren't winning with Carter, and Jefferson.. So they blew it up.. They have a couple nice players to build with but the rest of the team is crap. But yah.....
Gabriel
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A lot of people here say they don't want Tyreke dominating the ball. However, if we really want him to become a superstar, which he has a good chance of becoming someday, we have to let him take over. If that means losses, for right now, that's just what we'll have to take. Benefits will come.
agree, i bashed before for his passing, but he sure looked like he wants to find his friends more.
i think they just got frustrated and lost there confidnce because of all this loses.
it is only a mental thing' this team got the ability to get more W.
by the way a guy can be a great shooter and a good passer, look at Lebron,Bird,Magic,Oscar Robertson etc.
almost every superstar knew how to pass the ball.
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Gary
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I don't mind him dominating the ball at all.. He's pretty damn good with the ball in his hands. He gets the others involved "enough" to keep the Kings in it during games.
He also has a nice little two man game with Thompson.. Since Martin came back it's Tyreke vs. Martin fighting for the ball and everyone else left out. I don't think Thompson is in as big of a slump as it seems. I think that he has no idea what his role is since Martin is back. That makes him basically get down on himself, whine more, and basically suck. We cannot have two ball dominant guards on the team.. just wont work. Been saying it since we drafted Evans.
I am curious how Garcia will work with Evans, as well as Beno given more playing time together. But bottom line is Evans is not a PG, he's a combo guard.. I would categorize him more as a Dwane Wade than a Chris Paul. You don't see Wade playing PG.. You see Wade controlling the ball all of the time, but you don't see Chalmers just standing around doing nothing either.
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