Are D'Alessandro and Malone a good pair? (Bumped from 2013)

[steelevt]

This is something that I have been thinking about since watching PDA's press conference a while back. A lot of people questioned the kings hiring a coach before a gm but the question was answered with Vivek knowing the coach he wanted and not letting Malone slip away. I accepted that answer and didn't think twice. I was happy seeing Malone's press conference and liked how he seemed to emphasize working hard, especially on defense. Then PDA's conference had him picturing a fast paced good passing team. At the time their views didn't seem to match, but they said they were happy each were there and thought they were a good coach/gm team.

I noticed pre D'Alessandro predraft workouts included gobert (long shot at #7 but showed we were looking at defensive players). Yet when we got our gm, we gave a second workout to shabazz. Draft day, we went with Mclemore who I was totally fine with, actually ecstatic he dropped to us, but instead of going with a defensive big or sf with our 2nd rounder, we went with an undersized pg.

Now in free agency, it was stated that Malone wanted to keep Tyreke. Yet we trade away one of our better defensive players for a pass first pg that is seen as a defensive liability. Not to mention our first choice was Calderon, who also fits that good passer/bad defender image. I will give PDA the fact that he tried to bring in Iggy, but that could be more of knowing him at Denver as opposed to going after a good defender.

These sequence of events made me question how well our GM and coach are working together despite them saying they are a great pair. If you want to build a defensive team but the GM only gives you offensive talent, how is that going to work? Of course by next week we could sign AK47 or another defensive sf, or trade for Asik or get another defensive big and this whole thread would be wasted. But at this point in time I wonder if anyone else sees how our gm and head coach seem to want to build different teams.

 

[Double-K]

This is something that I have been thinking about since watching PDA's press conference...

Hmm... you might be onto something here. I know it's way, waaaaay too early to speculate this... but I did have the impression during a few conferences with all 3 presented (Vivek, Malone, PDA) that PDA was way more talkative and sometimes even taking over for Malone at times... while Malone seems to be more of a to-the-point quick speaker.

 

[VF21]

It's a coach's job to get the most from the players he's given. This is one of those things that is way too early to even think about speculating on. Let's at least see what happens when they actually start working together. I'm gonna continue to believe that Vivek knows what he's doing. He knew both of these guys so I'm pretty sure he's got a much better handle on how they'll work together than any of us.

 

[km23]

Wayyyyy to early to even try and guess. People need to relax a little bit..

 

[HndsmCelt]

It's a coach's job to get the most from the players he's given. This is one of those things that is way too early to even think about speculating on. Let's at least see what happens when they actually start working together. I'm gonna continue to believe that Vivek knows what he's doing. He knew both of these guys so I'm pretty sure he's got a much better handle on how they'll work together than any of us.

I'll disagree with this in part. A GOOD coach and GM MUST work together, and share a vision for the team. They may disagree on specifics and details, but they have be on the same page. What is the point of hiring a defensive minded coach, then handing him a team of run and gun players? I am not convinced that there is a problem yet, but I will say that I have already begun to ask the same questions my self.

 

[VF21]

I'll disagree with this in part. A GOOD coach and GM MUST work together, and share a vision for the team. They may disagree on specifics and details, but they have be on the same page. What is the point of hiring a defensive minded coach, then handing him a team of run and gun players? I am not convinced that there is a problem yet, but I will say that I have already begun to ask the same questions my self.

I may have misled because of a bad choice of words. I agree they need to work together. I don't agree that there is any reason at this point to start worrying about whether or not they will do so.

 

[steelevt]

I may have misled because of a bad choice of words. I agree they need to work together. I don't agree that there is any reason at this point to start worrying about whether or not they will do so.

I'm not really worried or think they are doomed to fail. Just a sequence of events that make me go hmmm. It just reminds me of when people were criticizing adelman for not having a defensive team and i believe his response was something along the lines of give me some defensive players. I hope and believe this duo can work together but stuff that has already happened just brings this question to my attention. especially when our defensive minded coach malone states that he wants to keep tyreke and then one of our better defenders and former ROY is shipped out the following day.

 

[bajaden]

I'm not really worried or think they are doomed to fail. Just a sequence of events that make me go hmmm. It just reminds me of when people were criticizing adelman for not having a defensive team and i believe his response was something along the lines of give me some defensive players. I hope and believe this duo can work together but stuff that has already happened just brings this question to my attention. especially when our defensive minded coach malone states that he wants to keep tyreke and then one of our better defenders and former ROY is shipped out the following day.

The Kings were second in the league in defense one year under Adelman. For the most part, all his teams played good team defense. As to Malone and D'Allesandro, I have no reason to believe that they don't see eye to eye. This stuff is starting to border on ridiculous. You, I, or anyone else on this fourm has as much chance as to having insights to how they get along, as we do how Petrie and his wife get along. Were not in the bedroom, or the bathroom with them. All we have are tiny glimpses through video's, or public statements. I've posted thousands of times on this fourm! Do you think you really know me? Or what I'm thinking? Or who I get along with?

Gee, I saw Cousins grimace when IT came off the floor. They must really hate one another! Unbelievable!

 

[roasthawg]

Just because a coach wants to emphasize defense doesn't mean he wants his talent to be oriented to that side of the ball... look at Billicheck and the Patriots. Most all of the talent is on offense because he feels he can out-scheme and out-coach the other team on defense.

 

[steelevt]

The Kings were second in the league in defense one year under Adelman. For the most part, all his teams played good team defense. As to Malone and D'Allesandro, I have no reason to believe that they don't see eye to eye. This stuff is starting to border on ridiculous. You, I, or anyone else on this fourm has as much chance as to having insights to how they get along, as we do how Petrie and his wife get along. Were not in the bedroom, or the bathroom with them. All we have are tiny glimpses through video's, or public statements. I've posted thousands of times on this fourm! Do you think you really know me? Or what I'm thinking? Or who I get along with?

Gee, I saw Cousins grimace when IT came off the floor. They must really hate one another! Unbelievable!

I believed that was the excuse why they let adelman go. They wanted to head in a different direction and wanted to be more defense oriented. That's why I brought up the situation. Maybe I remembered incorrectly. No where did I state that I knew what was going on or that the gm and coach are at odds. Just pointed out events that contradict each others views. What is ridiculous is that you are insinuating that I believe I know all of the on goings of the FO or that I think I know PDA or Malone or their relationship based on pointing out a few questionable events. If you pointed out you saw tyreke coming up limping after a fall at a game, would you like someone to point out "omg, you are not a doctor what do you know? Unbelievable!" i would assume you saw tyreke injure an ankle in the past and can see it might be a problem. I just now see why people were questioning why you would hire a coach before a gm. If the gm wants to build it his way ( offensive/run n gun) how much input would a defensive coach have if they have different point of views? I never said it wouldn't work out, that they are at odds, or they would fail. Just that the gm is offensive minded, coach is defensive minded and if anyone else saw how the current events showed how problems could occur.

 

[steelevt]

Just because a coach wants to emphasize defense doesn't mean he wants his talent to be oriented to that side of the ball... look at Billicheck and the Patriots. Most all of the talent is on offense because he feels he can out-scheme and out-coach the other team on defense.

I also believe billicheck doesn't play Tom Brady at linebacker. He has defensive players playing defense. You can't compare the two sports because there are different players on offense and defense. Well 99% of the time since patriots have used a wr on def before. Tyreke was a two way player. I believe that is why Malone wanted him. And a player like Thornton was benched while he was in NO

 

[VF21]

I believed that was the excuse why they let adelman go. They wanted to head in a different direction and wanted to be more defense oriented. That's why I brought up the situation. Maybe I remembered incorrectly. No where did I state that I knew what was going on or that the gm and coach are at odds. Just pointed out events that contradict each others views. What is ridiculous is that you are insinuating that I believe I know all of the on goings of the FO or that I think I know PDA or Malone or their relationship based on pointing out a few questionable events. If you pointed out you saw tyreke coming up limping after a fall at a game, would you like someone to point out "omg, you are not a doctor what do you know? Unbelievable!" i would assume you saw tyreke injure an ankle in the past and can see it might be a problem. I just now see why people were questioning why you would hire a coach before a gm. If the gm wants to build it his way ( offensive/run n gun) how much input would a defensive coach have if they have different point of views? I never said it wouldn't work out, that they are at odds, or they would fail. Just that the gm is offensive minded, coach is defensive minded and if anyone else saw how the current events showed how problems could occur.

That's what the public was led to believe but the truth was much simpler. The Maloofs didn't like Adelman, they didn't like his attitude, and they didn't like that he was a COACH and not a puppet or shiny object they could manipulate to make themselves appear wise and powerful and competent. He spoke his mind (privately) and didn't buy into their idea of how a team should be run.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

idk, but D'Alessandro's first move (Trading a potentially great defender in Tyreke, for a guy who's defense stinks) is not necessarily a move that would match up with the defensive style of Coach Malone

 

[mac]

Hmm... you might be onto something here. I know it's way, waaaaay too early to speculate this... but I did have the impression during a few conferences with all 3 presented (Vivek, Malone, PDA) that PDA was way more talkative and sometimes even taking over for Malone at times... while Malone seems to be more of a to-the-point quick speaker.

I sorta agree with you as far as the observations ago, but I haven't drawn any conclusions. I found it interesting that PDA seemed to always include Malone as an afterthought or would sort of say that he was sure Malone agreed with him. But again, those were just my observations from that limited situation, not saying that it indicates anything bigger.

 

[kingwin]

idk, but D'Alessandro's first move (Trading a potentially great defender in Tyreke, for a guy who's defense stinks) is not necessarily a move that would match up with the defensive style of Coach Malone

i mean he had steph curry as the pg in GS..so maybe it does match up with malones style.

 

[Bricklayer]

i mean he had steph curry as the pg in GS..so maybe it does match up with malones style.

Malone wasn't the head coach of course, nor the GM. He was just along for the ride.

Needless to say, if your star player happens to be a defensively challenged PG, well you go with that even if you want to play defense, and just try to surround him with guys to cover his weakness. Its more questionable when you start loading up on non-star guys who don't play defense. Because it doesn't take much of that until your whole team is a worthy successor to all the defenseless Kings teams of years past. we'll have to see what is done over the summer, because right now our backcourt defense is atrocious, with 4 poor defenders (Vasquez, It, MT, Jimmer) and 1 rookie, who notoriously struggle on that end. If you just stopped us right now, with that backcourt defense and no shotblocking up front, we'd have no hope. Hopefully the personnel will look considerably different in several months. Nonetheless its undeniable that our new front office's first moves was to anoint a Vasquez/rookie backcourt that frankly is a step down from what we had just last year.

 

[TheWileyVet]

I'm not happy in any way, shape, or form regarding this trade, but this thread is ridiculous.

 

[Mojo]

Too early to talk about this right now but it is an interesting question from the standpoint that the GM did not select the Head Coach. As long as they are on the same page, it shouldn't be a problem. We did see evidence going against that already (Malone wanting Tyreke to come back, FO was passive with Tyreke) but I guess we can chalk that up to growing pains.

 

[Hoovtrain]

Malone wasn't the head coach of course, nor the GM. He was just along for the ride.

Needless to say, if your star player happens to be a defensively challenged PG, well you go with that even if you want to play defense, and just try to surround him with guys to cover his weakness. Its more questionable when you start loading up on non-star guys who don't play defense. Because it doesn't take much of that until your whole team is a worthy successor to all the defenseless Kings teams of years past. we'll have to see what is done over the summer, because right now our backcourt defense is atrocious, with 4 poor defenders (Vasquez, It, MT, Jimmer) and 1 rookie, who notoriously struggle on that end. If you just stopped us right now, with that backcourt defense and no shotblocking up front, we'd have no hope. Hopefully the personnel will look considerably different in several months. Nonetheless its undeniable that our new front office's first moves was to anoint a Vasquez/rookie backcourt that frankly is a step down from what we had just last year.

He was not just along for the ride. He was the X and O's guy, the guy who drew up the majority of the plays while Mark Jackson preached.

 

[steelevt]

Came across this old thread (sorry slow day) where some of us saw the problems potentially coming. I find it ironic that I also used pace in my op. I know it's kinda taboo to bump old threads, especially 2 year old ones but many argued that it was too early to tell. Well I think time is up. Like I said some saw it coming and I think many now sing a different tune.

 

[randymoss1881]

i mean he had steph curry as the pg in GS..so maybe it does match up with malones style.

Dude it's steph curry not a journeyman pg a back up at that.

Anyway I'll always side with the guy who wants to keep a SG who gets you 15-5-5 while playing defense over one who goes after Calderon/Vasquez or gives away a rim protector in said trade. A core of DMC/Gay/Evans/Malone is a championship one.

 

[CurseOfTheSalmons]

I heard all the grumbles back when it happened, but I didn't want to believe it. ((

I miss Malone.

 

[lawlman91]

prophetic!

 

[VF21]

Oh wonderful. Just another reminder of my days of ignorant innocence and faith.

 

[lawlman91]

It's a coach's job to get the most from the players he's given. This is one of those things that is way too early to even think about speculating on. Let's at least see what happens when they actually start working together. I'm gonna continue to believe that Vivek knows what he's doing. He knew both of these guys so I'm pretty sure he's got a much better handle on how they'll work together than any of us.

 

[VF21]

I had faith THEN. Please note the date of the post.

BTW, this is the number one reason why I personally detest seeing old threads bumped.

 

[lawlman91]

I had faith THEN. Please note the date of the post.

BTW, this is the number one reason why I personally detest seeing old threads bumped.

I know, was just joking

 

[VF21]

I know, was just joking

I'll be honest. I don't have much of a sense of humor left about any of this. SUE (Some unnamed evil) has all but destroyed my beloved Kings. SUE has made it impossible for me to watch the games, even though I've loved the sport for over 50 years. SUE has taken away a chance for more family bonding over a shared love because my family and I have cancelled plans for any further game nights until something good happens.

And that's my take. I'm not even blaming any one person any more because I don't know who is ultimately responsible for this and there's plenty of blame to go around. That's why I've decided to simply call them SUE.

 

[John Galt]

Dude it's steph curry not a journeyman pg a back up at that.

Anyway I'll always side with the guy who wants to keep a SG who gets you 15-5-5 while playing defense over one who goes after Calderon/Vasquez or gives away a rim protector in said trade. A core of DMC/Gay/Evans/Malone is a championship one.

Can't have Gay AND Evans. The Evans trade was parlayed into the Gay trade. Doesn't make it right to have let Tyreke slip but we didn't really have the opportunity to have Gay and Evans together.

 

[King Baller]

Can't have Gay AND Evans. The Evans trade was parlayed into the Gay trade. Doesn't make it right to have let Tyreke slip but we didn't really have the opportunity to have Gay and Evans together.

While I see your line of thinking your conclusion is not necessarily true. PDA could have still found a way to trade for Rudy had Tyreke been retained. he would have had to include another component besides Vasquez. Maybe IT