Antoine Walker a King????

I think they like the prospect of being able to play, as VF put it "bull****ball". The prospect of playing in a good offense system where they can show off makes some sense, especially if it means 20 ppg and a fat contract from another gullible team. As a trade piece, though, it could be interesting. Maybe Sac will pick him up and trade him for a defensive player, because otherwise the front office knows they will be crucified if Walker is the centerpiece of the "offseason of defense improvement", as GP might as well have dubbed it. As a trade piece, yes. To play once the season starts, absolutely not. Also, if we sign him he could be packaged with some of the massive contracts we picked up in the Webber trade to grab some good players and expiring contracts, so that we can actually get some cap room.
 
He has too much of an ego to go to a team without getting a bigger contact than we can offer. We just dumped a big contract to get smaller ones (kind of) so I don't see us signing him to trade. Since he is a free agent, don't think that is even possible. I ABSOLUTLEY do not want him as a player. There is NO WAY Petrie does this. At least, I hope not!:eek:
 
captain bill said:
I think they like the prospect of being able to play, as VF put it "bull****ball". The prospect of playing in a good offense system where they can show off makes some sense, especially if it means 20 ppg and a fat contract from another gullible team. As a trade piece, though, it could be interesting. Maybe Sac will pick him up and trade him for a defensive player, because otherwise the front office knows they will be crucified if Walker is the centerpiece of the "offseason of defense improvement", as GP might as well have dubbed it. As a trade piece, yes. To play once the season starts, absolutely not. Also, if we sign him he could be packaged with some of the massive contracts we picked up in the Webber trade to grab some good players and expiring contracts, so that we can actually get some cap room.
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First, I coined the term Bull**** Ball, not VF21, and am planning on having it trademarked, so get it right. :p ;)

Secondly, so far as I know you can't sign a FA in the offseason and then turn around and trade him. New CBA of course, but I can't recall that ever happening. So if we signed Walker, we'd have to actually be planning on him being a major piece for us.
 
So this is a rumor, eh? Hmm, trying to think of the last rumor that came true during the Petrie era, especially one that is being discussed in the media. Not really Geoff's style. Just my 2 cents.
 
Bricklayer said:
First, I coined the term Bull**** Ball, not VF21, and am planning on having it trademarked, so get it right. :p ;)
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I'm so glad you said that. I couldn't remember coining that term... and it didn't sound at all like something I would have said... but you know how it is when you get old and you write so many things and sometimes there's a knock on the door when you're really trying to concentrate and just then the cat knocks something off the shelf in the kitchen and you stub your toe going in there to find out what...

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Where was I?
 
Bricklayer said:
I do wonder...he got dumped by Dallas, then traded off off the worst team in the league in the space of a year. The gig may well be up with him.

In any case, as a 20pt scorer, on however many shots it takes him, and a very good passer for a big man, you could get him, add him to the three core guys, and have a "good' team of a sort. Of a sort I say, because what you would have is a junkballing team playing a variety of basketball best defined as "bull**** ball" -- a bunch of pansy consciousless jumpshooters getting their *** kicked in every aspect of the game not involving chucking up 25 footers. We'd score a lot of points to keep the more shallow fans happy, beat the bad teams in stupid shootouts, and then get squashed like the miserable bugs we were whenever we ran into a serious squad focused on what they were doing. You aren't ever going to be a serious team or a serious contender with a team built like that -- its just garbage playground ball.

If you want to win big you get defensive and you pound people in the halfcourt. Its not negotiable. Nohing at all wrong with being able to shoot and run the fastbreak as well -- these are good bonuses...but the base, the frame, has to feature the ability to win a halfcourt war. Every championship team in the modern history of the NBA has had that ability. Excelled at it in most cases. Running up and down and chucking up long jumpers is for the tourists.
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I am NOT disagreeing with that. We most definetly need someone better than Walker and someone who brings different qualities.

However, what I am saying is that it would be a better way to rebuild by signing on quality players to reasonable contracts. The reason I say this is because if you have more good players than other teams then you are one good trade away from being a genuine contender.

The way I see it, Walker would still have some decent trade currency and for example if you are trading for say KG, chances are someone like Walker as part of the package would get the deal done better than someone like Kenny Thomas.

I see our situation a bit different to a lot of people. In our current situation NO trade can make us into contenders so what I would like us to do is sign quality players to reasonable contracts (not overpaying but paying market value or less). What you get is a team with a lot of depth but no true superstar. This team will be a borderline play off team with depth. This sort of roster gives General Managers a LOT more flexibility and opportunity to pull off a blockbuster. Every GM's dream is to have a team with depth. Someone like Memphis would have more chance of getting a KG and being an instant contender than someone like us in current situation.

Also if you could get someone like Walker for a reasonable money (say 5-7 million) and get rid off Thomas' contract then you would seriously consider it because you are getting an upgrade in a position for virutally same the money.
 
Walker is a poor man's Webber. He's a decent passer (not even close to Webb ofcourse) and has no post game whatsoever. Not a very good rebounder either. He wouldn't solve any of our weaknesses, but may just add to them if he we got him.
 
Anyone remember him in Dallas? He didn't do much on that team, what makes everyone think he will take us to the promised land. Man this is getting stale :\
 
tyrant - And why would someone trade a "much better big man than Songaila and Skinner combined" for Antoine Walker?
 
the only way id take walker is if pierce came with him..... pierce, twan, miller and bibby.... that team would be nice to see
 
KingKong said:
Walker is a poor man's Webber. He's a decent passer (not even close to Webb ofcourse) and has no post game whatsoever. Not a very good rebounder either. He wouldn't solve any of our weaknesses, but may just add to them if he we got him.
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You mean a poor man's Webber post-knee surgery right? (With the weak defense and no post game).
 
VF21 said:
tyrant - And why would someone trade a "much better big man than Songaila and Skinner combined" for Antoine Walker?
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well, it's not saying much about skinner and darius. it's imperative that we get someone who can rebound and be active inside the paint. a player of that caliber would easily posess more athleticism and heart than the 4's and 5's that we already have. (with the exception of miller). someone teams would give up a pretty good inside hustler for a "superstar" like walker
 
Originally Posted by KingKong
Walker is a poor man's Webber. He's a decent passer (not even close to Webb ofcourse) and has no post game whatsoever. Not a very good rebounder either. He wouldn't solve any of our weaknesses, but may just add to them if he we got him.
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not defending walker, but didn't he average 10 rebounds a game with dallas last year?
 
tyrant said:
not defending walker, but didn't he average 10 rebounds a game with dallas last year?
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Walker is a pretty good rebounder and believe it or not is a pretty good low post player(problem is he wants to jack up the threes all the time). Definitely a poor mans Webber.
 
My worry is that Walker will see our team, and without somebody around who's clearly a star, like he had/has in Boston, he'll assume he's responsible for scoring most of our points.
 
Walker DOES have post game but the problem is that he doesn't use it because he prefers to jack up threes.

Walker is poor man's Webber in a lot of ways.
 
hrdboild said:
You mean a poor man's Webber post-knee surgery right? (With the weak defense and no post game).
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Post surgery, Webber was still putting up better #'s than Walker ever has in his entire career. They are both weak defenders.
 
Basically, Walker plays NO DEFENSE, and thinks that he is the point guard dribbling out behind the three point line before he jacks up every three imaginable...most of the time hitting nothing but the backboard!!! What would we want this guy for?? Realistically...he is useless to us...might rebound a little, but i would rather we keep thomas...is walker even a PF?? He is never even on the block! I swear if this deal goes down I will seriously be very disappointed in everyone that made it possible. I can't wait for Nap to get a hold of this rumor so he could rip it apart, that's the only reason i listen to his show, to hear him rip apart LAME RUMORS!!
 
I too would be very disapointed if Geoff would bring Walker in. He takes WAY too many shots a game(often long 2's or 3's), plays no D and thinks the offense should be ran through him.
It's no coincidence that Ainge got rid of him once, and then the Mavs and Hawks did the same in a very short period of time. A poor man's Webber(post knee surgery) is an overstatement. We ran our offense through Webber and it always worked, 'Toine can't pass so he jacks up J after J after J.

Please don't get him Petrie, he's really not what we need!
 
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