Another Benoism on KHTK

[Kingster]

Did any of you guys hear it? Beno was asked about all those turnovers of his. His response? It happens because of miscommunication. Specifically, when he tells one guy to roll to the basket and the guy pops to the basket instead (note that it isn't Beno who makes the error, it's his teamate). CLASSIC BENO. Isn't accountable. Puts the blame on others. Literally finger-points. Hey Beno, is there miscommunication when you dribble into four defenders and they easily pick your pocket? Is there miscommunication (i.e. my teamate did it, I didn't) when you throw the ball to open space with nobody there? This guy is the antithesis of a leader on the floor.

 

[Rockmeister]

I have seen Beno throw the ball to one of his teammates and if they don't get the ball, Beno gives them a look. I've seen it several times in the last couple of weeks.

 

[Spike]

Or, he could be right. I'll believe that it happens because of miscommunication. That's not hard to believe. This sort of thing happens when you miss most of training camp.

 

[tyrant]

lets not turn this into a beno-bashing thread, but it is interesting to know. so who's fault is it? the coach thats who. i was listening to 103.3 espn this morning and they played a tape of a bob knight interview. and they asked him so should get the blame for a losing team. and he said the owners and gm's. a coach can only do so much with the talent he has. its the gm's responsibility to bring in good talent. now what we're seeing here is just bad coaching. this team is bad, but we shouldnt be THAT bad. its reggies job to make sure the communication is there. to make sure everyone knows what their job is. a player NEVER should blame other team members for a screwup. thats the coachs job. and its his job to make sure everyone is on the same page

 

[Rockmeister]

lets not turn this into a beno-bashing thread, but it is interesting to know.

So, far I haven't ready any Beno bashing, so you don't need to tell us to not turn this into a bashing thread.

 

[kennadog]

I can actually understand some issues due to rookies and people being in and out of the lineup with injuries. But I don't think Beno had a very good assists/turnover ratio last year. Can't look it up right now. It's the main thing about him that worried me going forward.

I'll reserve my judgement a little until we have a consistent starting five out there. That depends on injuries and Reggie.

 

[Kingster]

lets not turn this into a beno-bashing thread, but it is interesting to know. so who's fault is it? the coach thats who. i was listening to 103.3 espn this morning and they played a tape of a bob knight interview. and they asked him so should get the blame for a losing team. and he said the owners and gm's. a coach can only do so much with the talent he has. its the gm's responsibility to bring in good talent. now what we're seeing here is just bad coaching. this team is bad, but we shouldnt be THAT bad. its reggies job to make sure the communication is there. to make sure everyone knows what their job is. a player NEVER should blame other team members for a screwup. thats the coachs job. and its his job to make sure everyone is on the same page

I think it's up to Beno to be accountable for his own mistakes, not to literally or metaphorically point the fingers at his teamates. Moreover, it is also up to coach to take aside Beno and tell him that this finger-pointing (literally or metaphorically) is something he never wants to see again. Obviously, either the coach hasn't communicated as such or Beno is not listening to the coach. Either way, it stinks.

 

[Warhawk]

I think it's up to Beno to be accountable for his own mistakes, not to literally or metaphorically point the fingers at his teamates. Moreover, it is also up to coach to take aside Beno and tell him that this finger-pointing (literally or metaphorically) is something he never wants to see again. Obviously, either the coach hasn't communicated as such or Beno is not listening to the coach. Either way, it stinks.

Now THAT would be the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[beb0p]

Did any of you guys hear it? Beno was asked about all those turnovers of his. His response? It happens because of miscommunication. Specifically, when he tells one guy to roll to the basket and the guy pops to the basket instead (note that it isn't Beno who makes the error, it's his teamate).

Beno has always been turnover-prone. Even at San Antonio the ball was slipping out of his hands like wet soap on ice. There must have been a lot of mis-communication at the Spurs too! Must blame Popovich for not installing better communication on the floor.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Beno has always been turnover-prone. Even at San Antonio the ball was slipping out of his hands like wet soap on ice. There must have been a lot of mis-communication at the Spurs too! Must blame Popovich for not installing better communication on the floor.

I dont see the ball slipping out of his hands really .. his turn overs tend to come off of bad passes ( ones where there isnt a player close to the ball, which probly means bad communication ) or him dribbling into the defense
.. He has a solid excuse for the first kind but the second kind is on him.

 

[Smills91]

Did any of you guys hear it? Beno was asked about all those turnovers of his. His response? It happens because of miscommunication. Specifically, when he tells one guy to roll to the basket and the guy pops to the basket instead (note that it isn't Beno who makes the error, it's his teamate). CLASSIC BENO. Isn't accountable. Puts the blame on others. Literally finger-points. Hey Beno, is there miscommunication when you dribble into four defenders and they easily pick your pocket? Is there miscommunication (i.e. my teamate did it, I didn't) when you throw the ball to open space with nobody there? This guy is the antithesis of a leader on the floor.

Miscommunication is a two way street. Words mean things. I don't think he's going to call out a teammate and the word miscommunication means just that, either he or the recipient of the pass was to blame. There's enough blame to go around with this team.

 

[bloom]

I thought this year was going to be different. I thought Beno will improve and be a nice addition (not worth that much, but worth keeping) and he’s in a way disappointed me. We’re already into December and instead of realizing some of his mistakes and improving them he’s pointing fingers and giving other players looks. Some of the problem is the simple miscommunication but I’ve seen Beno just look up and throw the ball out, or just drive into ¾ defenders and expect to get through. Those aren’t the team’s fault, that’s his mistakes and he needs to own up to them/improve himself.

 

[Eclipse]

I haven't seen him play in San Antonio, so can't bring that into my analysis. I think he's at a disadvantage of playing with new teammates - both vets and rookies. So I'm sure some of his turnovers are due to that. And perhaps he dribbles into a crowd a lot because he has no other options left (lack of movement, people in the wrong place, etc.).

However, if we replace him with one the top guards like Tony Parker or Jason Kidd, I just don't see them making the same silly turnovers repeatedly like Udriah. That's the discomforting part - his basketball IQ, especially in a critical PG position. Hopefully Udriah still has some growing up to do, and this is just a passing thing (no pun intended).

It's like defensive driving - if you don't know what the other guys going to do, expect the unexpected, take things more slowly and delibertly, and communicate with hand signs (hehe), if necessary.

 

[VF21]

I honestly think some people are trying way too hard to find reasons to dump on various players. Yes, there are a lot of problems, including miscommunication which is, I agree, one of the biggest ones.

When you have a play called that requires a cutter to be in a certain place and he's not there, it's just like a QB throwing to where a wideout is supposed to be. If it works it looks great. It the receiver isn't where he's supposed to be, however, it looks pretty bad. I think that's what frustrates Beno as I've watched it happen more than once.

That doesn't mean, of course, that Beno never makes mistakes. He does make them, just like everyone else on the team. Singling him out for this kind of criticism, however, is myopic and unfair. We have a plethora of problems. At least Beno keeps trying...

 

[Alacron]

Of course, the problem is with everyone else, not with Beno. And when he drives into three opponents and gets stripped that's someone else's fault, too?

I hate how he makes a big show on the court of blaming his teammates, so we know it wasn't his fault.
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[Gary]

It's not his fault when he tries to split defenders driving into the lane only to have the ball go off his foot? He does this like 5 times a agame, and 3 result in turnovers. It gets tiresome. He isn't a good PG plain and simple. Get rid of Beno ASAP.

 

[Bricklayer]

I'll buy the pick and roll vs. pick and pop stuff -- Beno was already talking about that in preseason with Hawes deciding play to play whether he wants to be a post player or a three point shooter. Will happen when you have young guys out on the floor with unsettled games. But there's a lot more to the turnover problem than just that. Its a bit like weighing 500lbs and when somebody asks you how you got that fat you say that you have a weakness for gummi bears. Sure...you might have a weakness for gummi bears. Entirely plausible. But you didn't get to be 500lbs on gummi bears alone.

Also does not explain all the miscommunication turnovers between the vets. Spencer might not have any organized idea of how he wants to play at this point, Jason might be running around like a gerbil on crack and never in one place long enough to hit him. But we've seen a bundle of odd turnovers between vets who have been in the league and who played with each other just last year. Mikki, Brad, John, Beno etc. There you have to wonder about the offense. Do guys know where they are supposed to be? Are the reads that difficult? Not sure.

Oh, and BTW, yes, the motives for threads like these are always interesting and not always about the player in question at all, but rather about a favored player who stands to benefit. An interesting little interview blurb and all, but no great outrage or crime against humanity on Beno's part. Just yet another problem that will need to be sorted out.

 

[Bricklayer]

It's not his fault when he tries to split defenders driving into the lane only to have the ball go off his foot? He does this like 5 times a agame, and 3 result in turnovers. It gets tiresome. He isn't a good PG plain and simple. Get rid of Beno ASAP.

a) Beno has probably got the full year to prove himself as a starter. You rarely sign a guy to a long term deal over the summer and then give up on him after a bad month.

b) the question is always if you get rid of him, then what? there is no hurry here. We aren't going anywhere. And Beno is still putting up good enough numbers to be moveable at his salary level. Look for a better option, sure. And when one is found pull the trigger. But there is no real rush on a young guy like Beno.

 

[Section 101]

The one play that still stands out to me is him throwing the ball to Salmons who wasn't looking at him at all. Then stopping to yell at him as the other team missed the dunk. What does miscommunication have to do with his lack of hustle getting back on the play? And this wasn't the first time he's done it.

 

[CruzDude]

As I said on another thread about this specific item:

And Beno has excellent PG size at a true 6-3 and 205 plus he is only 26. He is still learning the starting role and his own role at the most difficult position on any team. I agree he gets 2-3 dumm TO's a game trying to drive to the basket thru 2-3 defenders. BUT if the Kings wings and bigs would go to the basket to give him some easy layoffs for easy layups, they would stop doing that. In most all cases where he gets hammered driving there is not a wing or big in sight anywhere going to the basket as a plan-B.

We are impatient this year for sure but Beno is only 20 games into his first real year starting with the benefit of a training camp AND he is playing with a carousel of other starters each with different abilities and moves. So he is doing OK considering the mess the team is in at the moment.

Once a drive to the bucket is started and the "wings" or bigs don't head to the bucket as well, part way there he is stuck with no one to pass it to, hence the drive into 3 defenders.

Someone else also stated that most teams just collapse to the middle on the Kings because of that problem and Beno is hung out.

 

[Merdiesel]

Beno is a good back up point gaurd at best. He is not apart of our future starting 5.

We need a young guy with speed and handles. Beno has neither. With scoring options like Martin, JT, Hawes and Salmons, you have to be able to push them. Beno doesn't do that at all. It's like the rest of the team has to play at his pace. I know the job of the point gaurd is to control the floor but I just have a feeling that he kind of handicaps our guys out there.

 

[Rain man]

The one play that still stands out to me is him throwing the ball to Salmons who wasn't looking at him at all. Then stopping to yell at him as the other team missed the dunk. What does miscommunication have to do with his lack of hustle getting back on the play? And this wasn't the first time he's done it.

Happened in the Dallas game, and to me, THAT is unacceptable. I don't like these threads singling guys out, but what I like less is players whining and arguing on the court rather than playing ball. I hate pouty Brad arguing fouls, and it ticked me off whent the beloved 2001 Kings did the same thing. Shut up and play ball.

I don't care who did it- to allow two points because you didn't hussle back on defense so you could argue with a teammate over who committed the turnover is a dog move.

 

[VF21]

It's also a sign of frustration and a lack of comprehensive leadership FROM THE COACHES. Yes, Beno shouldn't be yelling at his teammates for doing something wrong. That task should rightfully fall to one of the 1,245,235,679 assistant coaches we're currently paying.

 

[beb0p]

One play that caught my attention at the last game was KMart, Hawes, and JT's collective reaction to a Beno Udrich shot. It went down like this: the Kings were trying to set a double screen near the baseline for KMart with Hawes and JT as the screeners. But Udrich didn't wait for the play to develop, instead he took a quick three, back iron, long rebound, and Denver had a 3 on 1 the other way. As the ball clinked off the iron, KMart, Hawes, and JT all looked up like they were surprised the shot was fired. None of them were in the position to rebound. KMart kept running while he rolled his eyes, Spencer shook his head, and JT was just stunned.

I don't want to appear like I'm bashing Beno cuz he is not the only one pounding the ball; but one thing I don't like in addition to Beno's TOs is that he settle for the type of shots early in the shotclock that he could get later. Maybe it's something he'll learn with more experience, but I wonder if it's possible for a shoot-first guard to learn not to shoot.

 

[Warhawk]

It's also a sign of frustration and a lack of comprehensive leadership FROM THE COACHES. Yes, Beno shouldn't be yelling at his teammates for doing something wrong. That task should rightfully fall to one of the 1,245,235,679 assistant coaches we're currently paying.

What, we added 3 I hadn't heard about?

 

[Gary]

Beno is a good back up point gaurd at best. He is not apart of our future starting 5.

We need a young guy with speed and handles. Beno has neither. With scoring options like Martin, JT, Hawes and Salmons, you have to be able to push them. Beno doesn't do that at all. It's like the rest of the team has to play at his pace. I know the job of the point gaurd is to control the floor but I just have a feeling that he kind of handicaps our guys out there.

Have to agree... Another thing I have noticed is that his court vision isn't quite to par with other PGs in the league.

Brick, I agree that we shouldn't give up on him after a bad month, but I think the most we will ever get out of Beno is a TO prone PG who doesn't see the floor very well and doesn't play the up tempo game at an average clip. We will get 12ppg 5apg 3to/g out of him starting and that's about it. I think that's his cap as a starter... Crappy thing is that he isn't very good from the bench so like Salmons if he is relegated to the bench he becomes almost worthless.. So if we draft a PG this year we might want to get rid of Beno before starting that new PG or we have a worthless backup on our hands.

 

[VF21]

After tonight, I think Beno deserves credit for a good game. Not perfect by any stretch, but he clearly played to the best of his ability. I do so love to see the Lakers lose.

 

[PurpleHaze]

After tonight, I think Beno deserves credit for a good game. Not perfect by any stretch, but he clearly played to the best of his ability. I do so love to see the Lakers lose.

...and Beno outplayed Fisher just as Salmons outplayed Kobe tonight - and that made for total 4 quarter domination by the Kings.