An Apprehensive Kings Fan

#1
All of this free agent signing/trade coupled with the Kings not yet making their move, I am very apprehensive. I check this forums about once an hour hoping to see some news to pontificate, yet, other than Cat the Clipper there is only other team news to follow. Am I alone or is anyone else experiencing some mild anxiety about the Kings?

I think, knowing that Petrie is going to make some sort of move that he feels will benefit the team in the near future, adds to my apprehension more and more each day as the free-agent discussion period closes and there is still no word of anything other than distant rumors.

Is anyone else feeling this?
 
#2
I'd rather Petrie take his time and see his Options and make the right move, then him rushing into a move that were not going to benefit from, let the man work his magic.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#4
NoBonus said:
All of this free agent signing/trade coupled with the Kings not yet making their move, I am very apprehensive. I check this forums about once an hour hoping to see some news to pontificate, yet, other than Cat the Clipper there is only other team news to follow. Am I alone or is anyone else experiencing some mild anxiety about the Kings?

I think, knowing that Petrie is going to make some sort of move that he feels will benefit the team in the near future, adds to my apprehension more and more each day as the free-agent discussion period closes and there is still no word of anything other than distant rumors.

Is anyone else feeling this?
Yes. But nothing for it. I check the rumor sites once in the morning and once at night. And wait. All you can do. (well, I have exercised my season ticket holder's privilege of using dripping sarcasm and veiled threats to try to bend the ear of my poor customer service rep on one issue and get it sent up the chain of command ;) ).
 

VF21

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#6
NoBonus said:
Is anyone else feeling this?
Yep.

And I think the only solution is to go to sleep and wake up some time in October. Unfortunately, I'm not descended from Rip Van Winkle, nor am I of independent means.

So, I do the same thing most of us are doing. I fret, I fume, I post on a message board... and I wait.

;)
 
#7
VF21 said:
Yep.

And I think the only solution is to go to sleep and wake up some time in October. Unfortunately, I'm not descended from Rip Van Winkle, nor am I of independent means.

So, I do the same thing most of us are doing. I fret, I fume, I post on a message board... and I wait.

;)
You described me perfectly.
 
#8
I don't post often. But I do stop by often hoping for good news, sometimes... any news at all. I am dying to know what's in store for the Kings this off-season.
 
#10
Idiotic Ramblings meaning nothing

Apprehensive? Yes, because this year has so many questions and it seems nothing has happened. But to the contrary, things have happened. This year, there have been actual quotes attributed to Petrie on individuals that they are interested in such as Shareef and Bonzi. Will the team get either or both? don't know, but neither player has yet to make any public commitments.

Since I can't seem to make anything simple, here are some idle musing that could net both:

1) Trade Corliss Williamson and Mike Bibby to Memphis for Jason Williams, Bonzi Wells and James Posey.

The Kings do this for upgrades defensively in both the SG and SF positions. The Kings don't do this simply because it is a downgradg in PG position.

Memphis does this to get something from Bonzi, get rid of Williams, cut salary on this years payroll and get an upgrade in the PG position. Memphis doesn't do this simply because Bibby costs a lot for a team in the rebuilding stage.

2) Trade Skinner and a 1st for a resigned Shareef from Portland.

Kings do this because Shareef's offensive skills fit perfectly with the Kings system and he can play around the basket. His defensive deficiencies aren't as acute with better defenders on the outer edges. The Kings give up a first in order to get Portland to take salary even if the salary is only for this year and the next.

Portland does this because without getting something back, they have a huge hole at the PF position and they gain a first round pick. With the current state of the Kings, it is possible that pick may be lower than the last few years. As stated above, Skinner's salary is for this year and the next, with the following year the team's option.

3) Trade Thomas and Jackson for a resigned Marko Jaric from the Clippers.

The Kings do this to get a younger, bigger defensive minded PG. They also are able to get out from under Thomas's long contract. They don't do it simply because that is a high price for a borderline starter.

The Clippers do this cause they can. Jackson would serve as a short term solution for a back-up to Livingston who they see as their future. Thomas may also be attractive as a "starter" SF/back-up PF. The Clippers don't cause it sure seems like they have it out for the Kings this year.

These moves result in the following assuming the team matches any (reasonable) offer for Songalia and fill the rest (two) slots with minimum wage players (although they would still have the mid-level left):

Jason Williams PG
Marco Jaric PG/SG
Price? House?

Bonzi Wells SG
Kevin Martin SG
"Cisco" Garcia SG/SF

Peja Stojakovic SF
James Posey SF/SG
Matt Barnes SF

Shareef Abdur-Rahim PF/SF
Darius Songalia PF
Nikoloz Tskitishvili?

Brad Miller C/PF
Greg Ostertag C

Not a team that one would be used to be seeing, but could be interesting with plenty of offensive and a more defensive peremiter. Who knows what will happen in the next few weeks? not I.
 
#11
I am a bit apprehensive but I also have an enourmous respect and faith in Petrie. If anyone can get us to start moving in the right direction its Petrie.

We might not be contenders straight away but I have faith in Petrie and he will do what is best for this team.
 
#12
Hey its hard to land FA's when you're the Sacramento Kings. You've seen pictures of that dungeon esque arena. Lets just hope that Petrie didn't take Shareef into the lockerrooms. :D
 
#13
whozit said:
Apprehensive? Yes, because this year has so many questions and it seems nothing has happened. But to the contrary, things have happened. This year, there have been actual quotes attributed to Petrie on individuals that they are interested in such as Shareef and Bonzi. Will the team get either or both? don't know, but neither player has yet to make any public commitments.

Since I can't seem to make anything simple, here are some idle musing that could net both:

1) Trade Corliss Williamson and Mike Bibby to Memphis for Jason Williams, Bonzi Wells and James Posey.

The Kings do this for upgrades defensively in both the SG and SF positions. The Kings don't do this simply because it is a downgradg in PG position.

Memphis does this to get something from Bonzi, get rid of Williams, cut salary on this years payroll and get an upgrade in the PG position. Memphis doesn't do this simply because Bibby costs a lot for a team in the rebuilding stage.

2) Trade Skinner and a 1st for a resigned Shareef from Portland.

Kings do this because Shareef's offensive skills fit perfectly with the Kings system and he can play around the basket. His defensive deficiencies aren't as acute with better defenders on the outer edges. The Kings give up a first in order to get Portland to take salary even if the salary is only for this year and the next.

Portland does this because without getting something back, they have a huge hole at the PF position and they gain a first round pick. With the current state of the Kings, it is possible that pick may be lower than the last few years. As stated above, Skinner's salary is for this year and the next, with the following year the team's option.

3) Trade Thomas and Jackson for a resigned Marko Jaric from the Clippers.

The Kings do this to get a younger, bigger defensive minded PG. They also are able to get out from under Thomas's long contract. They don't do it simply because that is a high price for a borderline starter.

The Clippers do this cause they can. Jackson would serve as a short term solution for a back-up to Livingston who they see as their future. Thomas may also be attractive as a "starter" SF/back-up PF. The Clippers don't cause it sure seems like they have it out for the Kings this year.

These moves result in the following assuming the team matches any (reasonable) offer for Songalia and fill the rest (two) slots with minimum wage players (although they would still have the mid-level left):

Jason Williams PG
Marco Jaric PG/SG
Price? House?

Bonzi Wells SG
Kevin Martin SG
"Cisco" Garcia SG/SF

Peja Stojakovic SF
James Posey SF/SG
Matt Barnes SF

Shareef Abdur-Rahim PF/SF
Darius Songalia PF
Nikoloz Tskitishvili?

Brad Miller C/PF
Greg Ostertag C

Not a team that one would be used to be seeing, but could be interesting with plenty of offensive and a more defensive peremiter. Who knows what will happen in the next few weeks? not I.
who wants to trade bibby?the skiner trade is good and also the thomas but not bibby.sorry.
 
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VF21

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#14
whozit said:
Apprehensive? Yes, because this year has so many questions and it seems nothing has happened. But to the contrary, things have happened. This year, there have been actual quotes attributed to Petrie on individuals that they are interested in such as Shareef and Bonzi. Will the team get either or both? don't know, but neither player has yet to make any public commitments.

Since I can't seem to make anything simple, here are some idle musing that could net both:

1) Trade Corliss Williamson and Mike Bibby to Memphis for Jason Williams, Bonzi Wells and James Posey.

The Kings do this for upgrades defensively in both the SG and SF positions. The Kings don't do this simply because it is a downgradg in PG position.

Memphis does this to get something from Bonzi, get rid of Williams, cut salary on this years payroll and get an upgrade in the PG position. Memphis doesn't do this simply because Bibby costs a lot for a team in the rebuilding stage.

2) Trade Skinner and a 1st for a resigned Shareef from Portland.

Kings do this because Shareef's offensive skills fit perfectly with the Kings system and he can play around the basket. His defensive deficiencies aren't as acute with better defenders on the outer edges. The Kings give up a first in order to get Portland to take salary even if the salary is only for this year and the next.

Portland does this because without getting something back, they have a huge hole at the PF position and they gain a first round pick. With the current state of the Kings, it is possible that pick may be lower than the last few years. As stated above, Skinner's salary is for this year and the next, with the following year the team's option.

3) Trade Thomas and Jackson for a resigned Marko Jaric from the Clippers.

The Kings do this to get a younger, bigger defensive minded PG. They also are able to get out from under Thomas's long contract. They don't do it simply because that is a high price for a borderline starter.

The Clippers do this cause they can. Jackson would serve as a short term solution for a back-up to Livingston who they see as their future. Thomas may also be attractive as a "starter" SF/back-up PF. The Clippers don't cause it sure seems like they have it out for the Kings this year.

These moves result in the following assuming the team matches any (reasonable) offer for Songalia and fill the rest (two) slots with minimum wage players (although they would still have the mid-level left):

Jason Williams PG
Marco Jaric PG/SG
Price? House?

Bonzi Wells SG
Kevin Martin SG
"Cisco" Garcia SG/SF

Peja Stojakovic SF
James Posey SF/SG
Matt Barnes SF

Shareef Abdur-Rahim PF/SF
Darius Songalia PF
Nikoloz Tskitishvili?

Brad Miller C/PF
Greg Ostertag C

Not a team that one would be used to be seeing, but could be interesting with plenty of offensive and a more defensive peremiter. Who knows what will happen in the next few weeks? not I.
Interesting musings, whozit.

I don't think the first one will go, both for the reasons you've labeled as negative AND because I don't think Petrie will bring Jason back to Sacramento.

The Skinner one is interesting, but I'm not convinced SAR is worth a first round pick...

I would like the third one best, but I don't see either team doing it.
 
#15
I don't post on the forums too often, but I check here and hoopshype.com at least 5 times a day. I feel ya. I am going crazy. I just want SOMETHING that will tell me a little bit about what is going to happen. :(

In Petrie we trust, right?
 
#16
ÄŒarolija said:
I am a bit apprehensive but I also have an enourmous respect and faith in Petrie. If anyone can get us to start moving in the right direction its Petrie.

We might not be contenders straight away but I have faith in Petrie and he will do what is best for this team.
I have total faith in GP as well, but I wonder if other front offices are FINALLY starting to grow weary of even taking any calls from him. At some point his reputation is going to catch up with him...are we seeing that now? I know it's way too early to tell, but it seems as though everybody is working around us right now.
 
#17
D-Mass said:
I have total faith in GP as well, but I wonder if other front offices are FINALLY starting to grow weary of even taking any calls from him. At some point his reputation is going to catch up with him...are we seeing that now? I know it's way too early to tell, but it seems as though everybody is working around us right now.
This is GP we are talking about. He does his work quietly with great results. His deals get announced when they are signed, sealed and delivered. When you least expect it GP will do a trade.

Don't stress, the man knows how get the job done.
 
#18
D-Mass said:
I have total faith in GP as well, but I wonder if other front offices are FINALLY starting to grow weary of even taking any calls from him. At some point his reputation is going to catch up with him...are we seeing that now? I know it's way too early to tell, but it seems as though everybody is working around us right now.
Yes, I am on tenterhooks wanting to know what this team will look like on the floor next year. We have heard about Petrie's interest in certain players. But you know what I sit around wondering about? What is Petrie doing that we have heard absolutely nothing about? I may actually be quite disappointed if the answer turns out to be nothing. But you never know with him. D#*m it! Tell us your grand design GP!
 
#19
Rarely do teams ever make trades going, "Whoa, were getting totally screwed!" Geoff Petrie makes good deals, but lets get real, if there is a deal that makes sense to all teams in the trade, it goes down, simple as that.

As far as this team and the way it looks next season...well I am going to say that it may very well look the same as it did last year. Of course we have the MLE and theres no telling who we use that on, maybe Mo Evans? If so, our team may look exactly like this season's, minus Cat of course.

PG: Bibby / Bobby
SG: Evans / Martin / Garcia
SF: Peja / Corliss / Garcia
PF: K9 / Corliss
C: Brad / Skinner / Tag (onlooker)

Hey it could be a lot worse than that!! In fact that isn't that bad of a line-up with full training camp under their belts.

But unfortunately I see "hobbit ball" making its return.
 
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#20
I think I know how you are feeling. I check PD every day to make sure that Larry hasn't screwed the team up yet. He has finished his overhaul of the scouting, coaching, and medical staff. I have this nightmare where he trades the entire team away for jump-shootin' white boys. :(
 
#22
Eh, I'm not freaking out anymore. Just going to watch the off-season unfold. If we don't make moves, I will adjust my expectations further down, take some joy out of watching the kids develop and look to the future. It's either that or the rusty razor-blades.

I just keep telling myself, there MUST be a plan, right????
 
#24
Kingsgurl said:
Eh, I'm not freaking out anymore. Just going to watch the off-season unfold. If we don't make moves, I will adjust my expectations further down, take some joy out of watching the kids develop and look to the future. It's either that or the rusty razor-blades.

I just keep telling myself, there MUST be a plan, right????
Well from what I have heard Geoff Petrie say, it seems like a lot of the deals he makes fall in his lap. I don't like the sound of that and I don't believe it. I think its just Geoff being Geoff as far as never giving up his poker face.
 
#25
OK lets put it this way.

Did we know about the Miller trade before it happened????? What about the Webber trade (both getting him and shipping him out)?????? What about Christie trade (both getting him and shipping him out)??????

Point is, we don't have a clue what Petrie is up to. He might pull of a trade that gets us a player that no one thought was available.

Sit back relax and enjoy the ride ;)
 
#26
After reading all of your comments, I think I figured out why I am apprehensive and nervous; Petrie typically makes great deals and they are always top secret until the announcement. So knowing some sort of top secret deal will come to realization any day now is kind of like waiting for a lit firecracker to go off. You know it is going to happen, you know it is going to make you jump when it happens, you just do not know at what point it will explode. Further, I cannot ever remember a rumor coming true with Petrie; if we sign Bonzi Wells or SAR, I will be shocked.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#29
Man you should be apprehensive -- things aren't going well even for former Kings superheroes (notorious thug that he was). What a disaster for kings fans everywhere!: :eek: :p

http://www.gazetteonline.com/2005/07/14/Home/News/lohaus.htm

Former Hawk Lohaus charged with domestic abuse


Published: 07/14/2005 12:16 PM


DES MOINES, IA - A former Iowa Hawkeye basketball player is facing a domestic abuse charge for allegedly assaulting his 23-year-old girlfriend early Thursday at a Clive hotel.

Bradley Lohaus, 40, and McKinsey S. Gonder, of Badger, Iowa, had been arguing at the Courtyard Inn shortly before Lohaus tried to prevent her from leaving, according to the Clive Police Department. As a result, Gonder suffered a minor injury to her lip and head, police said.

Police arrived about 1:31 a.m., and Lohaus was charged with domestic abuse -- simple assault. The two have a child together, police said.

Lohaus played at Iowa from 1982 to 1987, followed by an 11-year career in the NBA. A 6-foot-11 center, Lohaus earned millions of dollars playing for eight NBA teams.



...although if you're a 40yr old hasbeen/never was, I guess can't be doing too bad with the 23yr old gf. ;)
 
#30
NoBonus said:
After reading all of your comments, I think I figured out why I am apprehensive and nervous; Petrie typically makes great deals and they are always top secret until the announcement. So knowing some sort of top secret deal will come to realization any day now is kind of like waiting for a lit firecracker to go off. You know it is going to happen, you know it is going to make you jump when it happens, you just do not know at what point it will explode. Further, I cannot ever remember a rumor coming true with Petrie; if we sign Bonzi Wells or SAR, I will be shocked.
The "firecracker" analogy is simple, understandable, and probably right-on. What makes the analogy so powerful is that sometimes when you light a firecracker, it doesn't go off.

I think that the prospect of a mis-fire bothers many apprehensive and increasingly depressed Kings fans.
 
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