Amick: De’Aaron Fox requests trade

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Tetsujin said:
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That’s why there’s some reporting that he’d stay here lol he’s just delaying it in case he makes all nba then he’ll leave the year after when he could be traded same crap Dame did to Portland
 
Tetsujin said:
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interesting salary bits:

However, being traded would eliminate any possibility of earning a supermax extension, even if Fox were named to an All-NBA team this season. (To be supermax eligible, players must be with their original team or have been traded while still on their rookie contract.)
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If Fox were traded to San Antonio (or any other team with significant cap space), he would be permitted to renegotiate his salary from $37.1 million to $46.4 million six months after the deal, in addition to being eligible to sign a four-year, $229 million extension that would start in 2026-27. If Fox were traded in the offseason instead, the earliest he could renegotiate and then extend his contract with a team such as San Antonio is in January
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should add confidence for any dark horse looking at him. If I’m reading that right, the only way he gets a raise post trade is if we trade him now and he immediately renegotiates his salary. If a team acquires his and says “we’ll give you an immediate raise but you have to extend,” that gives him a $10mm incentive to commit to wherever he lands
 
Tetsujin said:
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I don’t think this point can actually be stressed enough in the analyzing where will we go and what will we do, but also in terms of analyzing what Monty may want to do before it’s too late. I’m terrible at this cap space stuff but my back of the envelope math cranks the sat to a five year contract worth about $350 million.
 
Tetsujin said:

okay. No Castle but we’ll take every single one of your traceable picks then.
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It appears that under Stepien we could get up to 8 FRPs and our swap back (though one of those picks probably converts to two seconds). So if they like Castle that much, OK.
 
I don't recall in recent history any player that demanded a trade with the motivation of winning a championship, that was then actually dealt to the team they wanted to go to, that then went on to win a championship. Has it happened at all in the last decade? It's easier said than done and it just sounds grumpy to say, but some of these players need to have some humility. Most of these guys have no clue what the formula is for a championship team.

It seems to me that the most common thread between recent championship teams is that the teams main players stayed on the same team for a long time. This is true except for the Toronto Kawhi Leonards.
 
Chupacabra said:
I don't recall in recent history any player that demanded a trade with the motivation of winning a championship, that was then actually dealt to the team they wanted to go to, that then went on to win a championship. Has it happened at all in the last decade? It's easier said than done and it just sounds grumpy to say, but some of these players need to have some humility. Most of these guys have no clue what the formula is for a championship team.

It seems to me that the most common thread between recent championship teams is that the teams main players stayed on the same team for a long time. This is true except for the Toronto Kawhi Leonards.
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Brow
 
Capt. Factorial said:
It appears that under Stepien we could get up to 8 FRPs and our swap back (though one of those picks probably converts to two seconds). So if they like Castle that much, OK.
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Right. The three ATL picks, the 2028 Celtics unprotected pick, the 2030 Timberwolves pick, the Chicago pick, the Spurs pick this year, another couple Spurs picks, and our swap back would suffice.
 
Tetsujin said:
Right. The three ATL picks, the 2028 Celtics unprotected pick, the 2030 Timberwolves pick, the Chicago pick, the Spurs pick this year, another couple Spurs picks, and our swap back would suffice.
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Wait. The Boston pick and the 2030 twolves pick are just swaps so we’ll need more picks too.
 
Tetsujin said:
Right. The three ATL picks, the 2028 Celtics unprotected pick, the 2030 Timberwolves pick, the Chicago pick, the Spurs pick this year, another couple Spurs picks, and our swap back would suffice.
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The way I figure it, we leave them their own pick this year - they would have to keep either SAS 25, ATL 25, or SAS/ATL 26 by Stepien. So we take:

ATL 25
CHI 25(11+)--->26(9+)--->27(9+)--->SRP
CHA 25(15+)--->2 SRPs
ATL/SAS 26 swap
ATL 27
BOS(2+)/SAS 28 swap
DAL/MIN(2+)/SAS 30 swap
MIN 31
Removal of SAS/SAC 31 swap

They get to keep:

SAS 25
SAS 27
SAS 29
SAS 31

Note to all - I think it's pretty obvious we won't get ALL OF THAT in a hypothetical deal. But that's the absolute taken-to-the-cleaners version (well, I mean, putting reverse swaps on 27/29/31 is the absolute to-the-cleaners version, but let's not get greedy!)
 
Capt. Factorial said:
The way I figure it, we leave them their own pick this year - they would have to keep either SAS 25, ATL 25, or SAS/ATL 26 by Stepien. So we take:

ATL 25
CHI 25(11+)--->26(9+)--->27(9+)--->SRP
CHA 25(15+)--->2 SRPs
ATL/SAS 26 swap
ATL 27
BOS(2+)/SAS 28 swap
DAL/MIN(2+)/SAS 30 swap
MIN 31
Removal of SAS/SAC 31 swap

They get to keep:

SAS 25
SAS 27
SAS 29
SAS 31

Note to all - I think it's pretty obvious we won't get ALL OF THAT in a hypothetical deal. But that's the absolute taken-to-the-cleaners version (well, I mean, putting reverse swaps on 27/29/31 is the absolute to-the-cleaners version, but let's not get greedy!)
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you also are not getting Vassell and Castle. Figuring out how to get Vassell and Johnson was pretty good imho.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
It appears that under Stepien we could get up to 8 FRPs and our swap back (though one of those picks probably converts to two seconds). So if they like Castle that much, OK.
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sure let’s get Castle and recreate our guard glut.

if we don’t come out of this with forwards then Monte is who I think he is. We aren’t playing fantasy here.
 
sactowndog said:
sure let’s get Castle and recreate our guard glut.

if we don’t come out of this with forwards then Monte is who I think he is. We aren’t playing fantasy here.
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Castle is a 2 who can slide 3 - he's basically the same size as DeRozan. If we trade Fox, and get Castle, our guard rotation looks something like:

PG: Monk/Carter
SG: Ellis/Castle

And we can't exactly count on both Carter and Castle panning out. DeRozan isn't really being used as a guard anyway, so he's not part of the "glut". And, speaking of fantasy, I have Castle on fantasy team, and let me point out that if it weren't a keeper league he'd be on waivers. Castle is a swing at somebody who might turn into a high-level, two-way starter. If he does, you don't worry about a "glut". If he doesn't, you don't have a glut.
 
The_Jamal said:
Did you get bullied by guards in your youth? You realize you're supposed to have more than 3 on the team?
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He waited on his squad of friends to save him but none of them had a standing reach tall enough to block the guards from dunking on him.
 
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