Amare Stoudamire?

DocHolliday said:
Nope. His game is actually limited, he's under sized, he's not a good post player, and Steve Nash makes him better than he really is.
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And he is a free agent at the end of the year and wants to go play in a big market. We wouldnt be able to resign him anyways. If this was 3 or 4 years ago then i would be interested.
 
And he doesn't play any defense. But how much of a difference is there between Bosh and Amare? Both are great at what they do. Neither can play defense.
 
rainmaker said:
And he doesn't play any defense. But how much of a difference is there between Bosh and Amare? Both are great at what they do. Neither can play defense.
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That's the thing. I don't want either of them. Before everything else they'll be free agents, and we haveno guarantee of re-signing them. Giving up K-Mart is giving up too much for a rental.
 
combining a few rumors here from ESPN (about Amare and Rubio) into one idea.

Kings out
Martin
Thompson

Kings in
Jefferson

Phoenix out
Amare

Phoenix In
Blount (expiring)
Cardinal (expiring)
Thompson
rights to Ricky Rubio

Wolves out
Jefferson
Blount
Cardinal
rights to Ricky Rubio

Wolves in
Amare
Martin
 
We can't give the suns enough without gutting the roster. 1st we can't give them hawes because once he is on the suns he is a HOF player. We can't give them thompson because he will automatically become the next amare w/ nash around. We have to look at Amare alone, without nash. Amare alone is an 18 8 2 2. not much better than Thompson. With nash Amare is 28 14 5 2. Lets focus on getting a player that makes others better rather than a player who is just better. Once we get Garcia back, it will be like we made a major trade because garcia is our best all around SF. Once we have garcia running the 3 2 and 1, we no longer have to play S-rod, Noc, Udoka. And those three make a combined 10 million and we could trade them easily for a contract worth keeping. I like those 3 but, they are our most expendable players.
 
sidney said:
combining a few rumors here from ESPN (about Amare and Rubio) into one idea.

Kings out
Martin
Thompson

Kings in
Jefferson

Phoenix out
Amare

Phoenix In
Blount (expiring)
Cardinal (expiring)
Thompson
rights to Ricky Rubio

Wolves out
Jefferson
Blount
Cardinal
rights to Ricky Rubio

Wolves in
Amare
Martin
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This is not a bad idea. All teams immediately get better, with the exception of the Suns who cut costs and have the heir apparent to steve nash in ricky rubio.

I would like the Kings to get a little something more however. Maybe a draft pick or backup PF.
 
USNAVY15 said:
We can't give the suns enough without gutting the roster. 1st we can't give them hawes because once he is on the suns he is a HOF player. We can't give them thompson because he will automatically become the next amare w/ nash around. We have to look at Amare alone, without nash. Amare alone is an 18 8 2 2. not much better than Thompson. With nash Amare is 28 14 5 2. Lets focus on getting a player that makes others better rather than a player who is just better. Once we get Garcia back, it will be like we made a major trade because garcia is our best all around SF. Once we have garcia running the 3 2 and 1, we no longer have to play S-rod, Noc, Udoka. And those three make a combined 10 million and we could trade them easily for a contract worth keeping. I like those 3 but, they are our most expendable players.
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What are you talking about? Amare plays with Nash now and averages 21 8 1.
 
sidney said:
combining a few rumors here from ESPN (about Amare and Rubio) into one idea.

Kings out
Martin
Thompson

Kings in
Jefferson

Phoenix out
Amare

Phoenix In
Blount (expiring)
Cardinal (expiring)
Thompson
rights to Ricky Rubio

Wolves out
Jefferson
Blount
Cardinal
rights to Ricky Rubio

Wolves in
Amare
Martin
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Wait -- the Wolves end up with Amare AND Kevin?

David Kahn is an idiot, and now you have him winning executive of the year?? :D
 
Amare is overrated. He feeds off the pick and roll with Nash, has a limited back to the basket game (he is mainly a face up threat), wants to use his outside jumpshot more, and needs to be in that uptempo, high octane offense to thrive. This is a player who, despite playing on a high paced team, has NEVER averaged 10 boards a game (career high is 9.6, and Marion was pulling down more while with the suns), so what do you really expect on a slower, different style team? This is a player who doesn't play good defense, and admits to having trouble giving effort in other areas of the game when he's not getting touches. This is a player who publicly pouts about his role on teams, and it would be a nightmare here in Sacramento.
 
Bricklayer said:
Wait -- the Wolves end up with Amare AND Kevin?

David Kahn is an idiot, and now you have him winning executive of the year?? :D
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heh, I suppose this would make him look quite good. He would be giving up a young 20/10 PF, a top 5 draft pick with star quality, and 13M in expiring contracts though. Not chump change. If WE were giving that up that much I'm sure we would expect something similar back.

I like this for Phoenix. Nash has 2 more years after this year so Rubio would be coming in at the perfect time (assuming he is coming over). JT would fill the Amare position and they could look to the future with a young Rubio/Earl Clark/JT/Lopez team. That's a good start.
 
LWP777 said:
What are you talking about? Amare plays with Nash now and averages 21 8 1.
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You forget the ability to have a breakout game at any time worth 40pt13 reb. im just saying that if he is hot, nash will find him, and his numbers are greater because of it. If thompson is hot, nobody cares because this team's best playmaker is buried on the bench as the 11th man. there is no need to argue that his stats are technically XY and Z because those numbers aren't really indicative of his true statistical ability w/ nash beside him. His numbers are down because he is no longer the 1st and 2nd option on offense, the offense is still run and gun, but it is more predicated on finding the open man, and improving player stock around the NBA. Im talking about Amare is one of the worst players to trade for because while he is a talent sacramento hasn't seen at the 4 since C4, the PHX offense might have masked any deficiencies that he may have. that is why i vote no on the Amare deal, and YES on the Jefferson.
 
I like the idea of dumping MARTIN/NOC/KT for AMARE/1yr scrub/1st Rnd Pick. Think about it, if Amare doesn't sign we unload contracts and open up the wallets for one potentially big/mid signing that can actually help the team out.
 
Kings Fan Gerard said:
So according to this article, the Suns are entertaining several offers for Amare Stoudemire. Do you guys want him in a Kings uniform? Who can we trade in order to get him?
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Napear is talking right now about Stoudemire and how the Kings outside of Evans have nothing to offer that PHX would be interested in. He then goes on to say that GS and CLE both do have pieces that PHX would be interested in. HUH?? That makes absoluetely no sense. GS has some nice young pieces, but I think the Kings young players are not only comparable, but better, not to mention we have expirings as well. CLE has absolutely nothing PHX would want in terms of young talen, draft picks, etc., IMO. I'm just not sure where he is pulling this stuff from, but I'm not suprised as I have never found him to be the most knowledgeable individual.
 
amare is not a princeton player he wouldnt fit in and if we do trade for him he would bolt and leave for a bigger market leaving us no big, or possibly robbed of a pick

amare is overated really and he already has knee issues
 
USNAVY15 said:
We can't give the suns enough without gutting the roster. 1st we can't give them hawes because once he is on the suns he is a HOF player. We can't give them thompson because he will automatically become the next amare w/ nash around. We have to look at Amare alone, without nash. Amare alone is an 18 8 2 2. not much better than Thompson. With nash Amare is 28 14 5 2. Lets focus on getting a player that makes others better rather than a player who is just better. Once we get Garcia back, it will be like we made a major trade because garcia is our best all around SF. Once we have garcia running the 3 2 and 1, we no longer have to play S-rod, Noc, Udoka. And those three make a combined 10 million and we could trade them easily for a contract worth keeping. I like those 3 but, they are our most expendable players.
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This myth is becoming laughable. Fact is that Amare was a 20/9 player BEFORE he played a single game with Nash. And this was BEFORE he actually developed a deadly mid-range game to go with his ability to finish strong around the rim.

Amare is a 20/9 player with or without Nash and for anybody to even remotely compare JT to Amare is just plain laughable. They are universes apart both in terms of talent and ability.
 
Aenadin said:
amare is not a princeton player he wouldnt fit in and if we do trade for him he would bolt and leave for a bigger market leaving us no big, or possibly robbed of a pick

amare is overated really and he already has knee issues
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And we are not really a Princeton team either. Amare is one of the best PFs in the game and thats a fact. He is a perennial All-star. Whether or not he is right fit for out team is debatable but to undersell his ability as a player in this league is a bit laughable.
 
he is a force when it comes to scoring but on the defensive side i dont think so....

before we consider him as THE best PF in the league today lets see how he does with out nash....

i mean jason kidd made Kenyon martin an allstar once right ;) and a healthy primed kenyon martin actually played more D than amare would.

actually we NEED the princeton to fully utilize the other ignored talents of our bigs, passing and mid range game.. we cant always run iso. and extra assists coming from bigs help
 
Aenadin said:
he is a force when it comes to scoring but on the defensive side i dont think so....

before we consider him as THE best PF in the league today lets see how he does with out nash....

i mean jason kidd made Kenyon martin an allstar once right ;) and a healthy primed kenyon martin actually played more D than amare would.

actually we NEED the princeton to fully utilize the other ignored talents of our bigs, passing and mid range game.. we cant always run iso. and extra assists coming from bigs help
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As has been said, Amare was a 20/9 player BEFORE he played a single game with Nash and BEFORE he developed a deadly mid-range game. Its just false hope to believe that Amare would not be as effective without Nash. Who is to say that Amare doesn't make Nash look better because he finished his passes, bumping up Nash's assist numbers in the process. If Nash was passing to Nocioni (in current form) his assists numbers would be down ;)....I am using the same flawed logic here that you are using to downplay Amare's talents.

Sure Amare is not good defensively and is a poor rebounder for his position but the fact remains that he is one of the best PFs in the game.

As for Princeton offense, our best player is in NO way suited to Princeton. You design your offence to complement your best players, not to give your role players more prominent role.
 
Čarolija said:
As has been said, Amare was a 20/9 player BEFORE he played a single game with Nash and BEFORE he developed a deadly mid-range game. Its just false hope to believe that Amare would not be as effective without Nash. Who is to say that Amare doesn't make Nash look better because he finished his passes, bumping up Nash's assist numbers in the process. If Nash was passing to Nocioni (in current form) his assists numbers would be down ;)....I am using the same flawed logic here that you are using to downplay Amare's talents.

Sure Amare is not good defensively and is a poor rebounder for his position but the fact remains that he is one of the best PFs in the game.

As for Princeton offense, our best player is in NO way suited to Princeton. You design your offence to complement your best players, not to give your role players more prominent role.
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nash breaks down the defense i dont know how he isnt lightning quick but he is deceptive he gets in there free lancing and for some strange reason people leave amare either open for a j or running in for a dunk.

theres got to be some one else out there ;)
 
amare would be awesome on this team, but i know that we wont be trading for him anytime soon or ever. i dont know how we could get him though, why would the suns want martin and richardson on the same team? maybe nash could make it work...
 
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